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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:47:00 -
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Let's play a game: you work at CCP as "CCP yourname".
Today CCP Rouge Came into your office and said to you.
"I need you to Fix assaults, it is all up to your decisions but there are some things that you can do and some others that you cant do:
You can:
1 change their slot layout
2change their cpu and pg
3change their base stats (base ehp, shield recharger, stamina....)
4change their bonuses.
You can obviously use 1 or more of these points.
You can't :
Create new things (modules, equipment, weapons...)
Create Strange mechanics (Idk... Improved aim assist for assaults...)
You have to make they better but MUST NOT make them OP!
Post what you would do with numbers you would put and explain why you choosed that changes. Also, try to argument the opinion of other players without flame, QQ and trolling.
I m still thinking of what I would do so I ll post it later |
Horizen Kenpachi
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
315
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:52:00 -
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Id give them an extra module for tears to collect up they could drown scouts and heavies
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Skywalker83
Random Gunz
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
57
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:58:00 -
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CCP Skywalker here
First thing i would change is make the assualt suit bonus a 1% damage bonus per level.
Next i would give them a 1% damage bonus to light and side arm of the racial weapons for the chosen faction of the suit.
Then wait a couple of month and see how it plays out. |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:07:00 -
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Horizen Kenpachi wrote:Id give them an extra module for tears to collect up they could drown scouts and heavies
I think this is going to be a common suggestion. I also think you should give them a bonus to cpu and pg if you are giving them another module. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
540
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:13:00 -
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Keep the percentages off the light weapons , give them more in the department of PG / CPU then I would take the best of the bonuses of the 1.7 logi's and assault and incorporate them into the assault class .
Easy fix .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
598
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:23:00 -
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Skywalker83 wrote:CCP Skywalker here
First thing i would change is make the assualt suit bonus a 1% damage bonus per level.
Next i would give them a 1% damage bonus to light and side arm of the racial weapons for the chosen faction of the suit.
Then wait a couple of month and see how it plays out.
Hi, CCP pagliu here.
Dont you think it will make assault exactly the same as Commandos? (10% bonus to dmg) they will just be faster and lighter Commandos, I d Like more variety. Even if I think it d help balancing them |
Macchi00
LORD-BRITISH
75
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:28:00 -
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RoF bonus.
I love ForgeGun.
I made ForgeGun montage in YouTube.
ForgeGun Montage
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
1133
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:29:00 -
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A fairy hat
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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Akdhar Saif
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
413
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:43:00 -
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I'd nerf grenade damage and then give the Assaults a bonus to grenade damage so that they are the same as they are now.
Either that or half other suits grenade amount or double assaults. |
Skywalker83
Random Gunz
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
58
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:50:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Skywalker83 wrote:CCP Skywalker here
First thing i would change is make the assualt suit bonus a 1% damage bonus per level.
Next i would give them a 1% damage bonus to light and side arm of the racial weapons for the chosen faction of the suit.
Then wait a couple of month and see how it plays out. Hi, CCP pagliu here. Dont you think it will make assault exactly the same as Commandos? (10% bonus to dmg) they will just be faster and lighter Commandos, I d Like more variety. Even if I think it d help balancing them
Yeah it would be kinda the same as the commando but like you said they would be faster. Less hp for more speed able to flank easier and of course they have a side arm i stead of two lights. But to me it would help them fit back into the role of slayer again. The assault suit to me is supposed to be good at killing and it kinda lost that with 1.8 but i dont want to see the other suits nerfed to make it viable again.
The commando and assault should both be slayer suits one used for defense the other for offense.
Just my opinion though please dont fire me i really need this job.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2306
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:53:00 -
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Remove the bonus from the skill and add it to the suit.
Basic medium frames would get 2 per level bonuses from dropsuit command per level and an extra slot that was useful to their race and a stat tweak that makes them generic but powerful.
Assault medium frames would get a per level bonus from dropsuit command and one from assault per level. They would lose a slot when compared to their basic brother and the stats would be tweaked to reflect the racial play style of the suit. The loss of a slot or two would be made up with the bonus the suit receives from skill level and tweaks to stats that make them totally different from a basic but better at being an assault.
Basic suits are generic but should not be useless. With better resources (stat tweaks, CPU, PG and slots) than the specialized suit a basic could do around the same job but be better at diversifying fits to suit what is needed where as an assault would have less resources but be focused on one thing, assaulting. I would not be better in every single situation than a basic like we have now.
Here is a quick example
Basic Assault
High slot 2 2
Low slot 3 2
CPU 175 150
PG 30 35
Movement Speed 5 5.5
Sprint Speed 6.5 7.0
Shield HP 120 135
Shield recharge 17 23
Shield recharge delay 7 9
Shield recharge delay Depleted 9 10
Armor 210 190
Stamina 175 180
Stamina Recovery 18 21
Scan Profile 45 50
Scan Precision 52 45
Scan Radius 12 10
Basic would get two per level bonuses from dropsuit command to armor fitting costs and weapon fitting costs.
Assaults would get a per level bonus from dropsuit command to armor fitting effectiveness and a per level of assault skill to racial DPS.
Of course I am not a balancing expert or game designer so this is just an example but you can see that the suit is different but the assault is not just not better in every way. The extra slot on the basic could be used for to make suit perform close to a specialized assault but still be useful enough for players to use and not have to put SP into a specialization. This would put different suits on the field that were fitted differently and allow players to test out suits that they wouldn't normally because everyone would have dropsuit command trained.
Sorry for the format, I clearly don't know what I am doing.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
498
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:00:00 -
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I shall take part in your little role-playing game.
Increase the slot layout of Assault suits to equal those of Logistic suits.
This wouldn't include the addition of the extra equipment slots Logistic suits have.
Giving the added slots Assaults could then make use of more modules. Adding more variety to the suits for different situations. I would assume most players would use them to add more tank, as thats what the majority of players seem to be doing on all suits nowadays. This could have been something implemented long ago to fight the "slayer-logi" problem(?), as this is all most Assault suits asked for in the first place.
Base Statistic Changes
I will not be posting 'specific' numbers, just additions to specific suits.
Assault suits are at a fine place with their max EHP. Scouts cannot match their EHP, as Assaults cannot match Heavies EHP, which I believe is working as intended. Those who pick to "brick-tank" their suits are making personal choices, this is not by any means a call for a nerf to either shield extenders or armor plates, nor base HP values of suits.
Amarr Assault
I have never played Amarr so I will have to get back to you with suit specific choices.
Caldari Assault
-Increased Shield Recharge Rate as follows:
30.00 HP/s for Standard, 40.00 HP/s for Advanced, 50.00 HP/s for Proto.
This will provide the Caldari Assault suit with a more suited role of shield tanking. They will now be able to have short engagements with enemies, leave battle for a short period of time, recharge, then resume battle as needed.
Gallente Assault
-Increased Armor Repair Rate as follows:
6.00 HP/s for Standard, 8.00 HP/s for Advanced, 10.00 HP/s for Proto.
This will provide the Gallente Assault suit with a more suited role of armor tanking. They will now be able to stay in battle for longer periods of time with minimal time spent away from battle.
Minmatar Assault
I have never played Minmatar Assault so I will have to get back to you with suit specific choices.
Suit Bonus Changes.
These changes play a great part in the new added values stated in the "Base Statistic Changes" section.
The Assault class should be the suit up on the front lines outputting the most amount of damage. The changes stated below help provide each individual race with bonuses that can help them accomplish this feat. These bonuses will provide each race with a unique advantage on the field against the kind of tank they do the least damage to, letting them provide PURE damage to any suit, anytime, anywhere.
Amarr Assault
+2% light/sidearm laser weaponry damage against armor per level.
Laser tech is focused on destroying shields, with this added bonus Amarr Assaults can now use their main weapons, the Scrambler Rifile and Laser Rifle, and be nearly as effective against armor as they are against shields. This will give the Amarr Assault a much needed advantage on the battlefield as a true assault player.
Caldari Assault
+2% light/sidearm hybrid - railgun weaponry damage against shields per level.
Hybrid - railgun tech is focused on destroying armor, with this added bonus Caldari Assaults can now use their main weapon, the Railgun, and be nearly as effective against shields as they are against armor. This will give the Caldari Assault a much needed advantage on the battlefield as a true assault player.
Gallente Assault
+2% light/sidearm hybrid - blaster weaponry damage against armor per level.
Hybrid - blaster tech is focused on destroying shields, with this added bonus Gallente Assaults can now use their main weapon, the Assault Rifle, and be nearly as effective against armor as they are against shields. This will give the Gallente Assault a much needed advantage on the battlefield as a true assault player.
Minmatar Assault
+2% light/sidearm projectile and explosive weaponry damage against shields per level.
Projectile and explosive tech is focused on destroying armor, with this added bonus Minmatar Assaults can now use their main weapons, the Combat Rifile and Mass Driver, and be nearly as effective against shields as they are against armor. This will give the Minmatar Assault a much needed advantage on the battlefield as a true assault player.
Conclusion
The addition of all three of these ideas may make Assault Suits OP. I wouldn't have an idea, nor would you, until proper testing was done. Theoretically we all have separate opinions that are completely viable in our own minds, these are just a few of mine. Honestly I feel bad for Assault suits, they're in a really bad place right now. Things like this should have been figured out long ago before Dust left closed-beta. Unfortunately we are still the guinea pigs to CCPs master plan of Dust 514. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
540
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:15:00 -
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Caldari assault suits should have the shield recharge rate of a scout at advanced assault .
Why do you people keep rewarding Gal's for armor tanking because it's " what they do " and giving them crazy armor recharge rates . You say it's a long time to rep but it really isn't if you have four or five people doing the same in a squad around you .
There space eaters with constant coverage while they move to take a goal . You want to give them rates , I played with 1.7 suits where that 1 HP made a difference and now you want to give them 6 , 8 , and 10 ?
Just sounds like a bit too much .
If we have problems with scouts getting at heavy numbers , then what would stop the assaults from gaining more and with that rep rate ???
Get back in the game , where the Caldari quickly dies .. is that the way this game is made ..??.. because I'm seeing that a lot from people .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2307
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:25:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:
The addition of all three of these ideas may make Assault Suits OP. I wouldn't have an idea, nor would you, until proper testing was done. Theoretically we all have separate opinions that are completely viable in our own minds, these are just a few of mine. Honestly I feel bad for Assault suits, they're in a really bad place right now. Things like this should have been figured out long ago before Dust left closed-beta. Unfortunately we are still the guinea pigs to CCPs master plan of Dust 514.
Giving assaults the same number of slots isn't a good idea. The suits should all be different and making them all the same across the board is only going to make this game even more boring and repetitive. Every suit in the same race and class should have different resources, stats and slot layouts to make them unique. That goes for basic, assault and logi in the medium class. Part of the problem we have now is that CCP painted themselves into a corner and have no way out.
The suits are too alike and the bonus is awkward and just plain out junk and moving to suit uniformity is only going to exacerbate the problem, not fix it. We have already had assaults with lots of equipment slots and it made logi suit almost useless and now we are creeping back to that state with scouts having two equipments. The scout suit needs one of the equipment slots dropped, pick a cloak or a piece of equipment not both. The point of having different suits it to make the suit different. They way we are going now everything will have 1K HP, 2 grenades and two pieces of equipment and that will ruin the game fast.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
1749
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:01:00 -
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The suit just needs more base PG and CPU...
Assault suits struggle to fit almost any combination you would naturally goto..
Heavy suits fit full proto with tons of fitting to spare... Scouts as well(Beside Minmatar), Commandos as well, Logi's as well..
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Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
113
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:33:00 -
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2nd grenade slot and appropriate CPU/PG boost.
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Casual solo
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1032
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:47:00 -
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Two things straight up.
First, buff main tank by 75-100 HP (armor or shields, depending on race), and secondary tank by 50-75 HP. Combined with the second change, should mean that Assault tank can be significantly more than Scouts, without getting into heavy territory.
Second, swap the Assault and Logi slot layouts. Assaults should be the most versatile when it comes to fitting modules, Logi's the most versatile when it comes to fitting equipment. Currently the Logi is both. The change gives a reason for playing Assault over Logi, which currently doesn't exist.
Then leave it for a month to assess.
Would also consider a second grenade slot, but the implementation would require going to the equipment wheel to change between grenades. To reduce spam and promote tactical game play.
Knowledge is power
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2205
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:51:00 -
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CCP Groffer here,
I would run the assault suit over with a steamroller, then remove it completely from the game!
Also: No SP refund. Your choices must have a consequence. New eden SrS bSnS. |
Patrick57
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:51:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:Caldari Assault
-Increased Shield Recharge Rate as follows:
30.00 HP/s for Standard, 40.00 HP/s for Advanced, 50.00 HP/s for Proto.
Since base stats only change from Standard to Proto according to skill bonuses (except the CPU/PG of a suit of course), I think a better idea would be a skill bonus of +4 hp/s Shield regen per level. That's just an idea to match your own, it could be changed to make it a bit less OP if needed.
Hell is empty and all the devils are here.
-William Shakespeare
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
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Posted - 2014.04.12 16:55:00 -
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This is an idea I had recently.
Either a second grenade slot or +1 to grenade ammo. |
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
599
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:06:00 -
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Sorry for the late answer, I cant quote everyone so I ll just answer.
The rof bonus has some problems. First of all to have that rof bonus you give up the pg cpu reduction on weapons they actually have, it ll make assault suck even more in their fitting ability, if you want to do so you have to increase their pg and cpu. But the real problem is that a rof bonus doesn't buff every weapon in the same way: scrambler isn't affected at all for example.
Someone proposed to increase the strength of assaults granades or their number (2 nades slots) it could be an idea but 1 they need a buff to PG and cpu and 2 I dont think stronger nades will make them balanced, an assault shouldnt be forced to depend on his nades.
@m twiggz good post... But I dont completely agree with you :)
The addition of a slot could be an idea (with a buff to cpu and pg) but I m afraid that it ll make them OP... Idk.
The armor repair rate for the Gallente is a bit too strong in my opinion, I d suggest 2 at Basic, 3 at adv and 5 at proto. (or 2 4 6)
The bonuses you proposed. Every weapon receive a bonus against what it is weak against. But the commando bonus is exactly the same but against shields AND armor! So the assault bonus would be a weaker version of the commando s one. In this case I agree with ccp, they put bonus to weapons that increase their power without touching the dmg so they made it different from the commando. The minmatar and the Amarr are great... The other are meh!
@Brokerib switching assault and logi layouts and buffing base ehp on assault will make assault OP and logi UP I think.
@The Robot Devil good post, but I dont know much about Basic suits balancing, atm I think they should balance assaults before they think what to do with basics, atm they are only weaker variants.
Obviously this is just what I think and I open to listen to your answers, I m not an expert at game balancing so I may be completely wrong.
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:12:00 -
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Whatever it takes to make them ez-mode. For all the goddamned crying and whining Assults do, they must really need it. Then when they die to another suit or weapon that isn't like them, they won't have any excuse.
This community is the nail in Dust 514's coffin, waiting to be hammered in.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:21:00 -
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Captain Slow Winds here.
Make assaults faster. That way we can get rid of the "light assault aka tanked gallente scout" segment and make assaults more competitive against heaviers.
Apart from that....Stop whining. Assaults have had enough fun breaking the game.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
599
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:27:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Captain Slow Winds here.
Make assaults faster. That way we can get rid of the "light assault aka tanked gallente scout" segment and make assaults more competitive against heaviers.
Apart from that....Stop whining. Assaults have had enough fun breaking the game.
If with whining you are talking to me... Well... You are wrong, I am a Minmatar scout so...
Making them faster will make them similar to scouts that is a thing that assaults dont want. We dont have to give them more speed to make them similar to scouts or more ehp to make them similar to heavies, we need to make them unique, they have to Excel at something. |
keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:33:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:keno trader wrote:Captain Slow Winds here.
Make assaults faster. That way we can get rid of the "light assault aka tanked gallente scout" segment and make assaults more competitive against heaviers.
Apart from that....Stop whining. Assaults have had enough fun breaking the game. If with whining you are talking to me... Well... You are wrong, I am a Minmatar scout so... Making them faster will make them similar to scouts that is a thing that assaults dont want. We dont have to give them more speed to make them similar to scouts or more ehp to make them similar to heavies, we need to make them unique, they have to Excel at something.
Not you. Just whiners in general.
Assaults don't excel at anything. They're just bread and butter suits. Make them a tad faster, so at least we can make the scout bricktank a non-option.
I'm a scout too btw.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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Spectre-M
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
388
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:50:00 -
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For my Amarr assault I run mostly hp mods.
I'd like to see assaults be better at the frontline aspect of the battlefield. Front line on any drop suit is shields. Improved shield regen stats for assaults would go a long way, improving their ability to survive and move about the front lines using cover. It would also make using the other shield mods more appealing ( regulator, recharger ), kind of how the cloak play style encourages ewar mods.
This would bring the Minnie and Cal assaults up because they are sorely lacking in effectiveness, as they would benefit more from this change. You could also provide the Amarr and Gal with an equivalent adjustment to armor, like regen. These examples make the assault better at frontline combat, without adding anything extra. But I would like to see them get a secondary bonus like every other class. Or you could turn these examples into a per level bonus, rather that a stat adjustment.
Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist
Minnmatar in Amarr Armor
I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
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Lynn Beck
Wake N' Bake Inc
Top Men.
1105
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Posted - 2014.04.12 18:10:00 -
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CCP Long John's here.
I'd make the role bonus a ROF buff.
Keep the racial as-is.
Add defensive racials:
Minmatar: bonus to shield rechargers, 3% per level.(suggestions?)
Caldari: bonus to shield extenders, 3% per level.
Amarr: Bonus to armor plates, 3% per level.
Gallente: either a reduction to movement penalty, or bonus to reppers, 3% per level.
General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
601
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Posted - 2014.04.12 18:18:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:CCP Long John's here.
I'd make the role bonus a ROF buff.
Keep the racial as-is.
Add defensive racials:
Minmatar: bonus to shield rechargers, 3% per level.(suggestions?)
Caldari: bonus to shield extenders, 3% per level.
Amarr: Bonus to armor plates, 3% per level.
Gallente: either a reduction to movement penalty, or bonus to reppers, 3% per level.
I dont really Like the minmatar bonus but these are good suggestions.
As I already said the rof bonus ha some problems, for example the scrambler rifle isnt affected by it at all.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1841
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Posted - 2014.04.12 18:19:00 -
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I have a fix for everything not just assaults with one simple mechanic...make it so we can all roll in and out of cover with the exception of heavies who wouldn't roll but could still make use of a cover mechanic minus the rolling. rolling without cover for all other classes would decrease chance to hit.
this mechanic would rely on stamina and use it all that way you cant spam it.
this game makes me sad....
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1911
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Posted - 2014.04.12 18:25:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:All assault suits need an actual "I am special" bonus... Scouts have a cloaked and ewar bonus on all roles, and are fast. Sents just won't die and carry huge weapons, and are slow. Commandos carry versatile mix of weapons and deal a lot of damage. Logies carry craploads of equip and support bonuses (My corpmates still make bank SP and WP with them, "nerfs" be damned). Assaults, uh.... Are... Slightly faster and substantially shittier commandos... Whoopidy friggen do... Assaults need a niche, more then any mere bonus, they need an honest-to-god nitch. They need a nitch that is NOT one of the following:
- Heavy Weapons
- DPS
- Equipment Spam
- Speed
- Durability
- EWAR
My suggestion is to give all assaults bonuses to 1.) Max Ammunition (Not clip size) for racial weapons AND range bonus and 2.) Massive increase to racial regen preference (So armor tanks have a very high repper rate and shield tanks have a very high shield regen). This would allow Assaults to stay on the field the longest, have the shortest downtime, and have the longest threat range of any role. This means they would NOT step on the toes of any other role and yet be unique enough that they won't be garbage.But what do I know... I'm 12.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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