I will get the marshmellows ready for the fire.

p.s. i disagree with the sound delay.

I just think you need to shorten the length of time you stay cloaked. Be wiser on when or when not to activate it. This will help seperate skill from noobs trying to abuse invisibility

300HP scouts.

Small increase in decloak delay (SMALL) with a added sound effect for the other player. This would allow the other player to hear the scout decloak even if the scout was out of view. It would limit some decloaking right beside enemies - as the added warning would alert them and others close. This is a similar effect used in other MMOs.. Where cloak is real CLOAK!! invisible... which makes these nerfs sad.. its already not real cloak!

scouts dont have 300 HP, they have more if you are a scrub with a bad fit

scouts dont have 300 HP, they have more unless you are using minmatar one or are a scrub with a bad fit

It is the noobs abusing this and you expect them to comprehend positional tactics?

LOL, my to-go fit has 320 HP (Gallente) and I have no problems at all, as long as I don't run into organized squads. Most scouts using biotics have around 200-300 HP. Only because YOU are not able to run a low-HP suit doesn't mean that others doing so are scrubs

I think you failed to understand the overpost and topic...

Why? Jack picks the "300HP scouts" out oft your post, says that only scrubs with crappy fittings vor minmatar-scouts have 300 HP (all the others more) and I replied to this particular comment. Has nothing to do with your post or the topic.

The only nerf I would accept is to make the cloak deactivation instant rather than taking a while to fully decloak.

How is that a nerf?

The only nerf I would accept is to make the cloak deactivation instant rather than taking a while to fully decloak.

I'm asking myself that question now. Some people see it as a nerf.

Other acceptable nerfs (not all together but one)

Would be a declock effect when shot (currently you stay cloaked)

You go live on mini map when firing weapons, scouts would be visible on the mini map when firing - for all weapons but knifes - Give us scouts that!! (But then all go live on map when firing :D)

Well, for starters, it does make sense to at least decloak the user if hit by a FLUX of all things. The flux is an EMP weapon after all.

I will get the marshmellows ready for the fire.

p.s. i disagree with the sound delay.

I just think you need to shorten the length of time you stay cloaked. Be wiser on when or when not to activate it. This will help seperate skill from noobs trying to abuse invisibility

I think a change to cloaks to make them have much shorter duration but much faster recharge would alleviate some of the problems. It makes moving from cover to cover while cloaked still easy, but makes it more difficult to sprint across entire complexes while maintaining cloak. It will force scouts to play more hit and run by making the cloak a "wave of opportunity" equipment, instead of an essentially permanent boost like it is now.

There needs to be a 5 second delay before you can fire or deploy anything after you decloak

The cloak needs to have that free non-stacking-penalized complex dampener removed from it. There is absolutely no good reason for it to be there, and it unbalances an entire form of warfare.

I'm not really upset with how the cloak operates, just its ability to be combined with certain other weapons/modules. Armor plates are annoying when I've spotted the cloaker and unloaded a mass driver at them and they still keep coming at me and kill me. Also the shotgun's rate of fire and swap speed is so fast it has an alarming DPS and can easily blind side many sentinels.

With these combos of cloak+armor+shotgun+hit detection issues, a suicide banker can drop an otherwise well-assembled squad with good teamwork working together. I know, for I have done this. Multiple times since 1.8.

But, you see here we have the real culprits: high RoF DPS shotgun needs a scaling back (in favor of more impressive alpha damage) and plates need heavier fitting requirements and/or greater mobility penalty.

As far as the cloak itself lets exclude the glitches which should be ironed out eventually, namely the ability to fire before the decloaking finishes, and the swapping to anything other than the cloak tool doesn't insta-drain the cloak meter. Honestly, it feels fairly balanced. I would say decrease the shimmer when moving slowly would not be a bad call. Also perhaps tone down the profile dampener effect some on the Basic and Advance models (if only to make the Prototype version more attractive).

Lets start this backwards... What will nerfing the cloak do? The other major issue evolving is the heavy unbreakable tank fits. I have already seen some. Props, my cloak scout can only knife them, and when they survive that 90% of the time I am dead. NOPE. Cloak nerfs will nerf Scouts back to pre 1.8 - But its not 1.7 there is a new abundance of heavies! When the Cloak is nerfed the FOTM player types will all switch to heavy suits with huge tanks until 1.9 (nerfs them). So many people in heavies, it will force players in lighter suits to use Assault and logi, you will need the HP to even compete. a 300HP scout with no cloak and a shotgun runs into a 1000HP Heavy with a shotgun.


What The current issue is the gap, unbreakable tanks require players to fit shields and armor ++. But then scouts make players fit precision enhances and dampeners.... They can't fit both - or they are gimped.. The game in 1.8 is paper, rock, scissors... Don't pick paper ...If you nerf scissors, there will be forum fires made with all the rocks banging together

Wow did you just invent that number? I think so.. But yes a delay will help.. 5 seconds would kill knifer assassins. The issue is not just the cloak. Small changes to the shotgun to, the one variant is useless and the 2 shot SG should be the only insta killing. Knifes could give your cloak bonuses to promote knifing and limit some SG assassins. The knife is charge.. I have to decloak and charge weapon... I get a lot of these kills, they are well earned !

I think there is more then just QQ NERF screaming (all we have see thus far).

scouts dont have 300 HP, they have more unless you are using minmatar one or are a scrub with a bad fit

lol don't think iv never seen anyone try this hard to save their crutch before. People are just scared, they need to feel invisible to have more fun, hackers make themselves invisible on games all the time, so when any game legitimately has cloak, the rats come out of the woodwork. People want things easy, that's why people love cloak. Scout shotgun and cloak has been done to death, everyone is just a last year cliche now. Then again this is dust, no pride or self respect.

Hold on? So people aren't now allowed to lone wolf in pub matches? Which as I would like to point out "is suitable for lone mercs amd small squads".
By all means, encourage more squad play, make it more profitable to play as squad sure, but don't force me, in a game which is about "fighting YOUR war YOUR way" to either play a cloaked scout or in a team.

HOWEVER the only chamge required of cloaks is to make it require a manual deactivation EVERY TIME.
Now the cloakers have to think if they can afford to be detected so close to the enemy, without their weapon drawn.

Leave the time a player stays cloaked the same but alter the quality of the cloak at the start and end.

Rather than near instant on, make it take 5 seconds to reach maximum. So you get a fade out effect at the start of the cloak cycle.

Rather than instant off, make it take 10 seconds to turn off. So you get a fade-in effect at the end of the cloak cycle.

Pulling out a weapon should be instant off, though. Pulling a weapon should instantly discharge the cloak. A player should have to wait for the full charge up cycle to use the cloak again.


Munch

Lets start this backwards... What will nerfing the cloak do? The other major issue evolving is the heavy unbreakable tank fits. I have already seen some. Props, my cloak scout can only knife them, and when they survive that 90% of the time I am dead. NOPE. Cloak nerfs will nerf Scouts back to pre 1.8 - But its not 1.7 there is a new abundance of heavies! When the Cloak is nerfed the FOTM player types will all switch to heavy suits with huge tanks until 1.9 (nerfs them). So many people in heavies, it will force players in lighter suits to use Assault and logi, you will need the HP to even compete. a 300HP scout with no cloak and a shotgun runs into a 1000HP Heavy with a shotgun.


What has the Cloak done for the game:

Already people are getting wise to it. It has limited the amount of soloers and hero hunters. People are player more as a team, they are not blindly running into buildings, they wait for a scout or back up. Logi and Assault are not just solo running around hacking. You see less proto suits in public matches because even they die trying to run the hero solo hunter. That is bad? NO!...

The cloak has increase the in-game tactics more then anything else in 1.8 update.

Acceptable nerf:

Small increase in decloak delay (SMALL) with a added sound effect for the other player. This would allow the other player to hear the scout decloak even if the scout was out of view. It would limit some decloaking right beside enemies - as the added warning would alert them and others close. This is a similar effect used in other MMOs.. Where cloak is real CLOAK!! invisible... which makes these nerfs sad.. its already not real cloak!

Suggestion to Buff over Nerf:

Give an assault suit a 5% bonus to cloak use. (similar to a assassin MMO style and a Ranger MMO style) The Assault cloak would be less effective but would be a scout killer suit.. making scouts fear the blue tint to! (CCP always buff others never nerf, if it comes out so bad it requires a nerf it should be bad and not just the expected norm.)

Nerfing the Cloak will nerf the NANO knife back to pre 1.8 and will put all the (precision enhances, dampeners, range increasers) back in the useless pile.

The current issue is the gap, unbreakable tanks require players to fit shields and armor ++. But then scouts make players fit precision enhances and dampeners.... They can't fit both - or they are gimped.. The game in 1.8 is paper, rock, scissors... Don't pick paper ...If you nerf scissors, there will be forum fires made with all the rocks banging together

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scouts dont have 300 HP, they have more unless you are using minmatar one or are a scrub with a bad fit

Cloak only really needs two things

1) no firing while cloaked (i think there was a hotfix on this)

2) no free non-stacking-penalized complex dampener (been proven to upset the ewar meta)

That's is it, they are pretty ok otherwise.

Give an assault suit a 5% bonus to cloak use. (similar to a assassin MMO style and a Ranger MMO style) The Assault cloak would be less effective but would be a scout killer suit.. making scouts fear the blue tint to! (CCP always buff others never nerf, if it comes out so bad it requires a nerf it should be bad and not just the expected norm.)

That's the real problem. You can fit 600 hp w/o breaking a sweat on a scout and still cloak. Gal scout came out a bit OP. If you look at other scouts - cal is perfect, min is niche, amarr is junk. So, no - nerfing all scouts or even cloak is not an answer. Revise gal scout and call it good.

What, you cant draw a weapon when cloaked.. Your just a QQ with no idea. L2P

Lol i can draw my weapon and get off two shots before decloaking, if you can't you're bad. L2P.

LOL, my to-go fit has 320 HP (Gallente) and I have no problems at all, as long as I don't run into organized squads. Most scouts using biotics have around 200-300 HP. Only because YOU are not able to run a low-HP suit doesn't mean that others doing so are scrubs

Cloak nerfs will nerf Scouts back to pre 1.8


.... hahahaha.

Walks away.

Not to abuse my honorary bastard title but I can't take you seriously on the subject concerning scouts.

Cloak nerfs will nerf Scouts back to pre 1.8


.... hahahaha.

Walks away.

Not to abuse my honorary bastard title but I can't take you seriously on the subject concerning scouts.