I will get the marshmellows ready for the fire.

p.s. i disagree with the sound delay.

I just think you need to shorten the length of time you stay cloaked. Be wiser on when or when not to activate it. This will help seperate skill from noobs trying to abuse invisibility

300HP scouts.

Small increase in decloak delay (SMALL) with a added sound effect for the other player. This would allow the other player to hear the scout decloak even if the scout was out of view. It would limit some decloaking right beside enemies - as the added warning would alert them and others close. This is a similar effect used in other MMOs.. Where cloak is real CLOAK!! invisible... which makes these nerfs sad.. its already not real cloak!

scouts dont have 300 HP, they have more if you are a scrub with a bad fit

scouts dont have 300 HP, they have more unless you are using minmatar one or are a scrub with a bad fit

It is the noobs abusing this and you expect them to comprehend positional tactics?

LOL, my to-go fit has 320 HP (Gallente) and I have no problems at all, as long as I don't run into organized squads. Most scouts using biotics have around 200-300 HP. Only because YOU are not able to run a low-HP suit doesn't mean that others doing so are scrubs

I think you failed to understand the overpost and topic...

Why? Jack picks the "300HP scouts" out oft your post, says that only scrubs with crappy fittings vor minmatar-scouts have 300 HP (all the others more) and I replied to this particular comment. Has nothing to do with your post or the topic.

The only nerf I would accept is to make the cloak deactivation instant rather than taking a while to fully decloak.

How is that a nerf?

The only nerf I would accept is to make the cloak deactivation instant rather than taking a while to fully decloak.

I'm asking myself that question now. Some people see it as a nerf.

Other acceptable nerfs (not all together but one)

Would be a declock effect when shot (currently you stay cloaked)

You go live on mini map when firing weapons, scouts would be visible on the mini map when firing - for all weapons but knifes - Give us scouts that!! (But then all go live on map when firing :D)

Well, for starters, it does make sense to at least decloak the user if hit by a FLUX of all things. The flux is an EMP weapon after all.

I will get the marshmellows ready for the fire.

p.s. i disagree with the sound delay.

I just think you need to shorten the length of time you stay cloaked. Be wiser on when or when not to activate it. This will help seperate skill from noobs trying to abuse invisibility

I think a change to cloaks to make them have much shorter duration but much faster recharge would alleviate some of the problems. It makes moving from cover to cover while cloaked still easy, but makes it more difficult to sprint across entire complexes while maintaining cloak. It will force scouts to play more hit and run by making the cloak a "wave of opportunity" equipment, instead of an essentially permanent boost like it is now.

There needs to be a 5 second delay before you can fire or deploy anything after you decloak

The cloak needs to have that free non-stacking-penalized complex dampener removed from it. There is absolutely no good reason for it to be there, and it unbalances an entire form of warfare.

I'm not really upset with how the cloak operates, just its ability to be combined with certain other weapons/modules. Armor plates are annoying when I've spotted the cloaker and unloaded a mass driver at them and they still keep coming at me and kill me. Also the shotgun's rate of fire and swap speed is so fast it has an alarming DPS and can easily blind side many sentinels.

With these combos of cloak+armor+shotgun+hit detection issues, a suicide banker can drop an otherwise well-assembled squad with good teamwork working together. I know, for I have done this. Multiple times since 1.8.

But, you see here we have the real culprits: high RoF DPS shotgun needs a scaling back (in favor of more impressive alpha damage) and plates need heavier fitting requirements and/or greater mobility penalty.

As far as the cloak itself lets exclude the glitches which should be ironed out eventually, namely the ability to fire before the decloaking finishes, and the swapping to anything other than the cloak tool doesn't insta-drain the cloak meter. Honestly, it feels fairly balanced. I would say decrease the shimmer when moving slowly would not be a bad call. Also perhaps tone down the profile dampener effect some on the Basic and Advance models (if only to make the Prototype version more attractive).

Lets start this backwards... What will nerfing the cloak do? The other major issue evolving is the heavy unbreakable tank fits. I have already seen some. Props, my cloak scout can only knife them, and when they survive that 90% of the time I am dead. NOPE. Cloak nerfs will nerf Scouts back to pre 1.8 - But its not 1.7 there is a new abundance of heavies! When the Cloak is nerfed the FOTM player types will all switch to heavy suits with huge tanks until 1.9 (nerfs them). So many people in heavies, it will force players in lighter suits to use Assault and logi, you will need the HP to even compete. a 300HP scout with no cloak and a shotgun runs into a 1000HP Heavy with a shotgun.


What The current issue is the gap, unbreakable tanks require players to fit shields and armor ++. But then scouts make players fit precision enhances and dampeners.... They can't fit both - or they are gimped.. The game in 1.8 is paper, rock, scissors... Don't pick paper ...If you nerf scissors, there will be forum fires made with all the rocks banging together