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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:35:00 -
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rithu wrote:AV is never supposed to be a one person thing, you need support of a good squad & team
That assertion is a fallacy.
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:00:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Triple Repairer Madrugar is an infantry and blaster eater. Both of those do very sustained damage which is where it wins; it's the Drake of DUST. It won't win against anything with front loaded damage such as a Railgun or a Missile tank. For infantry, they are kind of forced into having two guys with Forge weapons or Remote Explosives. I don't use the fit often because I prefer a different fit that I feel is more rounded. The main problem with this, is the fact that the fact that a weapon who's profile has the strongest Armor bias in the game cannot effectively destroy it.
That's about as balanced as a Scrambler Rifle not being able to kill a Minmatar Frame.
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:10:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote: You're putting a giant weapon on treads against a person, of course it will win if the pilot isn't an idiot. Remember the days when anyone with a swarm launcher and AV Grenades melted all tanks? Do you wanna go back to that? Oh boy, another nerf, and then a few patches later, another buff. what would we accomplish doing that? Nothing. I'd rather have how it is stay and be able to interact with EVE more than more nerf, buffs, nerfs, buffs.
That statement is fallacious.
In a game, one person should be able to win against one other person if they use something designed to be their hard counter; and they should be able to do it with reasonable expectations. Otherwise, that unit becomes better than every other unit in said game, and there becomes no point in running anything else other than that item.
That serves to remove all diversity from the game, which supposed to be one of this game's 'selling' points.
Balancing the game wouldn't hinder the time it would take to strengthen the EVE/DUST link, as they are being worked on by different teams of developers; and I'm pretty sure the majority of the playerbase would much rather have a balanced game where everyone's role is equally fun and viable, as opposed to strengthening the link to a game who's playerbase would love nothing more than for CCP to shut this game down.
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:16:00 -
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Supernus Gigas wrote:I swear to cheese some of you people don't know that tanks have a weak spot. Try hitting that with a Breach FG and see what happens. Didn't someone already disprove your assertion in another thread?
I guess I'll just paste his quote:
Nothing Certain wrote: Let's look at the numbers instead of the claims. A militia Sica from the store comes with 4150 HP A Soma, 5200 A Wirkomi BFG does 2100 damage. If you have Lev.5 Prof 5 w/ Complex Heavy Damage Modifier and you hit the fuel cells and get the 168% damage bonus you get 4260 damage. So, you can take out a Sica in one shot, given these conditions. You can't take out a Soma or any other tank. IIf the Sica has any shield extenders or armor plate you can't one shot it. If you only have prof. 4, you can't one shot it. If you miss the fuel cells, you don't even come close. I'd file this claim as possible, but implausible.
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:44:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote: Balance would be nice, too bad that isn't what the nerfs/buffs do. they nerf, and they buff, they don't balance. If it was balanced, why would you want to nerf it? If it was balanced, why would you want to buff it? Just because you can't kill the scout that is cloaked doesn't mean it is OP, because you might be pursuing unrealistic goals if what you're using can't actually kill cloaky scouts, so you go to the forums and whine until the end of time. If it's broken, fix it, if it isn't and you're just bad, HTFU yah scrub. AV isn't a solo thing for HAVs, it never has been. And it shouldn't be easy to do. A single swarm launcher shouldn't be able to take out an HAV.... but 3 or 4 should have the ability to kill it. In EVE, an assault frigate would be hard pressed to kill a battleship... but 5 Assault Frigates?
Hey genius, what do you think the nerf/buffs do to achieve balance?
Killing a cloaked scout is not an unrealistic expectation, as it can easily be done by using one of it's hard counters, the Mass Driver. Can you expect to reasonably kill an HAV with one if it's hard counters, the Swarm Launcher?
Your comparing a game with no theoretical limit on how many units you can field to a game with a limit of 16 units. Also, yes soloing HAVs were a thing. It was a thing in Codex, a thing in Chromosome, and a thing in all of Uprising 1.0 - Uprising 1.6. The difficulty of soloing an HAV should be proportional to the difficulty of operating one.
You've yet to supply a valid reason as to why HAVs and vehicles should not be soloed, which brings me back to my original point:
Atiim wrote:In a game, one person should be able to win against one other person if they use something designed to be their hard counter; and they should be able to do it with reasonable expectations. Otherwise, that unit becomes better than every other unit in said game, and there becomes no point in running anything else other than that item.
That serves to remove all diversity from the game, which supposed to be one of this game's 'selling' points. Care to actually refute as opposed to creating a wall of text this time?
Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote: And if balancing the game was so freaking easy, why isn't it balanced? Why isn't there more of a link to EVE? Simple. Dev time is focused on nerfing and buffing the whiney players who can't deal with something killing them. If it needs to be balanced then by all means do so, but if it really doesn't... then boo hoo you died. You want the game to be better? I have the answer, and there is even a song done by CCP
Who said balancing the game was easy? The reason why balance hasn't been achieved is because in order to achieve it, you first have to look at many different aspects and game mechanics and see how they tie in with each other, otherwise you'll risk balancing one aspect, but creating an imbalance in another.
No, it is not. CCP has already stated that there are multiple teams of developers who work on different aspects of the game. Balancing the game does not hinder content because the team responsible for balancing the game is not the same people who create game content.
So basically your pondering on whether or not DUST needs to be balanced? Instant loss of credibility.
Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote: H.T.F.U
Less nerf/buff, more content please
Hmm...
Considering how you've said in an earlier post about how you don''t want to return to 1.6, It's safe to say that you were crying about AV in 1.6, making your statement hypocritical.
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:46:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote: So that we don't return to previous 1.7 where any militia scrub could solo a tank.
That was a myth.
No good tanker was ever soloed by MLT AV.
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:24:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote: umm yes there is !
228.000~305,775 isk for the maddy with and with out fac blaster as avd
to get this maddy you need 5~6 mill SP give or take
so ya something that,s needs 5-6 mill SP costs 200-300k for just one and can be blown up on the drop or blown up in one hit with a Bombchu
yes there is something special and the roll it plays is to be a TANK ! not a drop suit.
That's not special.
The investment of an AV player is 15,222,620 SP, which far exceeds 5-6m SP, and the cost of a good AV suit can range from 175-230k. Factor in multiple deaths and your looking at a total cost of 7-900k ISK. Point negated
AV suits can be OHK'ed by 80GJ Railguns, XT-1 Missile Launchers, Plasma Cannons, Remote Explosives, Nova Knives, Shotguns, Warbarge Strikes, Orbital S Strikes, Sniper Rifles, and a whole bunch of other weapons. Point negated
The AV roll it plays is "ANTI-TANK". Point negated
So by your "logic", I guess AVers should be the only ones soloing.
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:25:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote: Again, when one guy could solo a tank, AV was OP, and it was quite unfair for HAV pilots. And if you can't kill the tank, avoid it, or get people to kill it
Care to explain why it was unfair?
I've been tanking since 1.2, and I've never had a problem with being soloed.
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:30:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:1 Proto breach FG shot to the weakspot will kill it
Infact that kills all HAV with no hardeners on Nope.
Nothing Certain wrote: Let's look at the numbers instead of the claims. A militia Sica from the store comes with 4150 HP A Soma, 5200 A Wirkomi BFG does 2100 damage. If you have Lev.5 Prof 5 w/ Complex Heavy Damage Modifier and you hit the fuel cells and get the 168% damage bonus you get 4260 damage. So, you can take out a Sica in one shot, given these conditions. You can't take out a Soma or any other tank. IIf the Sica has any shield extenders or armor plate you can't one shot it. If you only have prof. 4, you can't one shot it. If you miss the fuel cells, you don't even come close. I'd file this claim as possible, but implausible.
Takahiro Kashuken wrote: But its only good for raping infantry, any rail or missile tank will pop it
And that has anything to do with V/AV balance, how exactly?
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