DUST Search - 2 things physics definitely does not apply to.

Harpyja wrote:

MarasdF Loron wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch.

A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time.

Umm, even if there is no atmosphere, there is still gravitational pull, although one could argue that in that case the lighter object will reach the "ground" faster but that would not be the case either as the bigger the objects are the more they wanna go towards each other, and the bigger object (planet) has most likely more mass and thus more gravitational pull and that means both the tank (faster) and a sports car (slower) get pulled towards the planet, and the planet remains relatively unaffected. I am however no expert of these things so I'll leave it up to everyone to decide for themselves if they wanna buy what I'm saying... just sayin'.

Sir Dukey wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

I know about gravity. Gravity isn't everything about physics. Anyway, tanks in this game are ridiculous. Should a tank be able to drive over another one? The center of gravity of a heavy is not in effect. A heavy object will rotate slower but will rotate with more momentum and will be harder to stop. Unlike a light object which is agile. But In this game, heavy and light suit rotate at the same speed.

I know what you are saying and I do agree that heavy objects need the momentum they would have, tanks and heavies used to have that I suppose. Tanks used to blow up if they hit each other at high speed... what happens now is they either flip or drive over each other which is really stupid.

You're talking about force, and you are correct. Gravity exerts a bigger force on more massive objects.

However, you're not applying force correctly. Having a lot of force by itself means nothing. The mass of the object of which you're applying the force to completes the equation F=m*a, where F is force, m is mass, and a is acceleration. You can rewrite it as F/m=a.

Holding force constant but increasing the mass shows that acceleration decreases. If both increase by the same factor, acceleration remains unchanged.

But what is force? Force is measured in Newtons in SI units, and the weight of an object is also in Newtons. Weight is the force by gravity, which is obtained by our good old equation F=m*a where a=g near the surface, and g is gravitaional acceleration. On Earth it's 9.81m/s^2.

Now rewriting F=m*a for the force exerted by gravity is m*g=m*a. The m cancels out and you're left with g=a which is true near the surface. This proves that the acceleration for any object due to gravity near the surface is the constant g, which varies from celestial object to celestial object (stars, planets, asteroids, etc.).

Therefore, it's incorrect to say that something more massive will fall faster than something that's less massive, if air resistance is negligible. Now, I think it's safe to assume that air resistance in Dust is negligible for our concerns. I'm sure a modern day tank and a smart car will fall at about the same speeds until you start reaching their terminal velocities, but again that doesn't concern us in Dust.

Pages: 1 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 600	Posted - 2014.04.11 10:57:00 - [1] - Quote Tanks and Heavies.... There are more but these two are the big ones. Tanks- they can fly Heavies- fat ass mofos with 1200 armor and 500 shield can turn at the speed of a freking minmitar scout... Really CCP?
NIGGSWORM KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 601	Posted - 2014.04.11 10:57:00 - [2] - Quote Tanks and Heavies.... There are more but these two are the big ones. Tanks- they can fly Heavies- fat ass mofos with 1200 armor and 500 shield can turn at the speed of a freking minmitar scout... Really CCP?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2476	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:04:00 - [3] - Quote Physics apply to everything l2quantum physics scrub! For the Federation!
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 600	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:06:00 - [4] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Physics apply to everything l2quantum physics scrub! obliviously no such things as physics in Dust.
NIGGSWORM KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 601	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:06:00 - [5] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Physics apply to everything l2quantum physics scrub! obliviously no such things as physics in Dust.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 370	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:32:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Physics apply to everything l2quantum physics scrub! obliviously no such things as physics in Dust. Nice word you got there. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Bax Zanith 108	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:50:00 - [7] - Quote Heavies had a reduced turn speed a few patches ago, but players counteracted it by turning up there sensitivity setting. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 713	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:55:00 - [8] - Quote You forgot deeese nuts. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous DNS first to use game theory. Neo-Realism. Prisoner dilemma look it up b4 you meta
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 11	Posted - 2014.04.11 12:57:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Tanks and Heavies.... There are more but these two are the big ones. Tanks- they can fly Heavies- fat ass mofos with 1200 armor and 500 shield can turn at the speed of a freking minmitar scout... Really CCP? This will be the second time ive posted this today guys yall are in deep enough to grind these forums all day do a little research about the world you play in this is not bf this is the future in a different galaxy also there are several books out there a couple of them actually good try reading one itll help your knowledge of game mechanics and how ccp wants this game so maybe youll understand why your griping is futile here ya go padwan learnnnnnnnn The Heavy dropsuit is a second-generation solution designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from the concussive, thermal, and impact forces of low-grade explosives. Additionally, its power-assisted exoskeleton facilitates usage of the heaviest caliber personal weapons. Heavy dropsuits lack the mobility of lighter suits, but this trade-off results in a defensive system that defies standard infantry conventions. Every vital area of the wearer is protected y 25mm compostie ceramic shell or high tensile steel plates, layered with impact absorbing, compressed carbon latticework. A secondary thermal dispersion membrane channels excess heat away from the point of contact, distributing it over a larger surface area and thereby lessining the potention damage. Superconductive veins of hybrid silver coat the outer layers and connect every piece of the armor to a grounding heat sink, dampening the harmful effects of direct fire electromagnetic weaponry. -Source-ign-source-wiki CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 11	Posted - 2014.04.11 13:04:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Tanks and Heavies.... There are more but these two are the big ones. Tanks- they can fly Heavies- fat ass mofos with 1200 armor and 500 shield can turn at the speed of a freking minmitar scout... Really CCP? Aaaa and since im here already tanks in reality have speeds of 40 t0 70 mph depending on if you have removed the govenor (lolthats your fuel injector) tank soeeds are actually pretty realistic in game CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`

Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1562	Posted - 2014.04.11 13:24:00 - [11] - Quote An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Atiim didn't agree with limiting tanks!
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 601	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:04:00 - [12] - Quote Harpyja wrote: An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. I know about gravity. Gravity isn't everything about physics. Anyway, tanks in this game are ridiculous. Should a tank be able to drive over another one? The center of gravity of a heavy is not in effect. A heavy object will rotate slower but will rotate with more momentum and will be harder to stop. Unlike a light object which is agile. But In this game, heavy and light suit rotate at the same speed.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 601	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:07:00 - [13] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Physics apply to everything l2quantum physics scrub! obliviously no such things as physics in Dust. Nice word you got there. lol auto correct. Was using phonee.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 389	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:21:00 - [14] - Quote Heavies received bonuses to damage reduction and splash damage reduction and have the most HP. HMGs were buffed a while back and are by far the most powerful CQC weapon in the game now. I think the slower turning speed should be returned to heavies as a balancing factor. Because heavies have resists, high ehp, high dps and with a magsec, boltpistol or ScR pistol they can shoot to 40-60 meters, while dominating most things in their hmg range. The only real con of a heavy is they are slow but with vehicles that doesn't matter as much as its pros do. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1062	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:25:00 - [15] - Quote Well if you want them to stop turn around so quickly perhaps you should stop sneaking up on them from behind? /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1562	Posted - 2014.04.11 15:37:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Harpyja wrote: An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. I know about gravity. Gravity isn't everything about physics. Anyway, tanks in this game are ridiculous. Should a tank be able to drive over another one? The center of gravity of a heavy is not in effect. A heavy object will rotate slower but will rotate with more momentum and will be harder to stop. Unlike a light object which is agile. But In this game, heavy and light suit rotate at the same speed. Well technically we need better collision meshes and better tread mechanics. It's the treads that allow tanks to climb over low obstacles. I should be able to ramp up the back end of a Madrugar but maybe not so much a Gunnlogi. Also, I should be able to climb over those small concrete barriers because my treads should have enough elevation and slope to grip on to and climb over. As for the heavies and lights issue, I won't comment on other than just to say that I'd imagine heavies to have stronger servo motors so greater torque on greater mass should roughly have the same angular acceleration as something with less mass but less torque. But for balance purposes heavies should and they do turn the slowest. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Atiim didn't agree with limiting tanks!
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2299	Posted - 2014.04.11 15:47:00 - [17] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Tanks and Heavies.... There are more but these two are the big ones. Tanks- they can fly Heavies- fat ass mofos with 1200 armor and 500 shield can turn at the speed of a freking minmitar scout... Really CCP? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj75U7TkBBY http://www.wallpapervortex.com/wallpaper-17011_tank_tank_jumping_and_shooting.html#.U0gM31dACv0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdwtMa5gbKU "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:14:00 - [18] - Quote Harpyja wrote: An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. Umm, even if there is no atmosphere, there is still gravitational pull, although one could argue that in that case the lighter object will reach the "ground" faster but that would not be the case either as the bigger the objects are the more they wanna go towards each other, and the bigger object (planet) has most likely more mass and thus more gravitational pull and that means both the tank (faster) and a sports car (slower) get pulled towards the planet, and the planet remains relatively unaffected. I am however no expert of these things so I'll leave it up to everyone to decide for themselves if they wanna buy what I'm saying... just sayin'. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10414	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:28:00 - [19] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Heavies- fat ass mofos with 1200 armor and 500 shield can turn at the speed of a freking minmitar scout... Really CCP? Powered exoskeletons Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1296	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:37:00 - [20] - Quote My biggest beef with this game physics wise is that a laser actually has more damage the closer it is to the power source and its intensity decreases the further away you are from it. Our Dust lasers work the opposite for gameplay reasons I assume. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

Yan Darn Science For Death 581	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:41:00 - [21] - Quote And the conservation of momentum through portals - WTF is that about!? The Ghost of Bravo
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 835	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:43:00 - [22] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Tanks and Heavies.... There are more but these two are the big ones. Tanks- they can fly Heavies- fat ass mofos with 1200 armor and 500 shield can turn at the speed of a freking minmitar scout... Really CCP? LAVs that can auto flip. Then there's the obvious stuff: Cloaks, transferring consciousness to a clone, nanohives, drop uplinks. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
LT apparition Molon Labe. 78	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:44:00 - [23] - Quote Heavies use to Turn Slower.. but To many People Complained that they couldn't turn to deal with scouts or assaults in time.. mainly scouts but ya.. Ich sehe alles...
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1568	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:55:00 - [24] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Harpyja wrote: An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. Umm, even if there is no atmosphere, there is still gravitational pull, although one could argue that in that case the lighter object will reach the "ground" faster but that would not be the case either as the bigger the objects are the more they wanna go towards each other, and the bigger object (planet) has most likely more mass and thus more gravitational pull and that means both the tank (faster) and a sports car (slower) get pulled towards the planet, and the planet remains relatively unaffected. I am however no expert of these things so I'll leave it up to everyone to decide for themselves if they wanna buy what I'm saying... just sayin'. Sir Dukey wrote: Harpyja wrote: An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. I know about gravity. Gravity isn't everything about physics. Anyway, tanks in this game are ridiculous. Should a tank be able to drive over another one? The center of gravity of a heavy is not in effect. A heavy object will rotate slower but will rotate with more momentum and will be harder to stop. Unlike a light object which is agile. But In this game, heavy and light suit rotate at the same speed. I know what you are saying and I do agree that heavy objects need the momentum they would have, tanks and heavies used to have that I suppose. Tanks used to blow up if they hit each other at high speed... what happens now is they either flip or drive over each other which is really stupid. You're talking about force, and you are correct. Gravity exerts a bigger force on more massive objects. However, you're not applying force correctly. Having a lot of force by itself means nothing. The mass of the object of which you're applying the force to completes the equation F=ma, where F is force, m is mass, and a is acceleration. You can rewrite it as F/m=a. Holding force constant but increasing the mass shows that acceleration decreases. If both increase by the same factor, acceleration remains unchanged. But what is force? Force is measured in Newtons in SI units, and the weight of an object is also in Newtons. Weight is the force by gravity, which is obtained by our good old equation F=ma where a=g near the surface, and g is gravitaional acceleration. On Earth it's 9.81m/s^2. Now rewriting F=ma for the force exerted by gravity is mg=m*a. The m cancels out and you're left with g=a which is true near the surface. This proves that the acceleration for any object due to gravity near the surface is the constant g, which varies from celestial object to celestial object (stars, planets, asteroids, etc.). Therefore, it's incorrect to say that something more massive will fall faster than something that's less massive, if air resistance is negligible. Now, I think it's safe to assume that air resistance in Dust is negligible for our concerns. I'm sure a modern day tank and a smart car will fall at about the same speeds until you start reaching their terminal velocities, but again that doesn't concern us in Dust. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Atiim didn't agree with limiting tanks!
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 375	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:01:00 - [25] - Quote Harpyja wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Harpyja wrote: An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. Umm, even if there is no atmosphere, there is still gravitational pull, although one could argue that in that case the lighter object will reach the "ground" faster but that would not be the case either as the bigger the objects are the more they wanna go towards each other, and the bigger object (planet) has most likely more mass and thus more gravitational pull and that means both the tank (faster) and a sports car (slower) get pulled towards the planet, and the planet remains relatively unaffected. I am however no expert of these things so I'll leave it up to everyone to decide for themselves if they wanna buy what I'm saying... just sayin'. Sir Dukey wrote: Harpyja wrote: An M1 Abrams and a sports car going off the same ramp at the same speed will catch the same amount of air. Weight has no effect on how much air a vehicle can catch. A bowling ball and a feather dropped in vacuum at the same height reach the ground at the same exact time. I know about gravity. Gravity isn't everything about physics. Anyway, tanks in this game are ridiculous. Should a tank be able to drive over another one? The center of gravity of a heavy is not in effect. A heavy object will rotate slower but will rotate with more momentum and will be harder to stop. Unlike a light object which is agile. But In this game, heavy and light suit rotate at the same speed. I know what you are saying and I do agree that heavy objects need the momentum they would have, tanks and heavies used to have that I suppose. Tanks used to blow up if they hit each other at high speed... what happens now is they either flip or drive over each other which is really stupid. You're talking about force, and you are correct. Gravity exerts a bigger force on more massive objects. However, you're not applying force correctly. Having a lot of force by itself means nothing. The mass of the object of which you're applying the force to completes the equation F=ma, where F is force, m is mass, and a is acceleration. You can rewrite it as F/m=a. Holding force constant but increasing the mass shows that acceleration decreases. If both increase by the same factor, acceleration remains unchanged. But what is force? Force is measured in Newtons in SI units, and the weight of an object is also in Newtons. Weight is the force by gravity, which is obtained by our good old equation F=ma where a=g near the surface, and g is gravitaional acceleration. On Earth it's 9.81m/s^2. Now rewriting F=ma for the force exerted by gravity is mg=m*a. The m cancels out and you're left with g=a which is true near the surface. This proves that the acceleration for any object due to gravity near the surface is the constant g, which varies from celestial object to celestial object (stars, planets, asteroids, etc.). Therefore, it's incorrect to say that something more massive will fall faster than something that's less massive, if air resistance is negligible. Now, I think it's safe to assume that air resistance in Dust is negligible for our concerns. I'm sure a modern day tank and a smart car will fall at about the same speeds until you start reaching their terminal velocities, but again that doesn't concern us in Dust. Well, like I said, I'm no expert about this stuff and now my head hurts. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.


Pages: 1 :: [one page]

Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous

DUSTSearch