DUST Search - The A.E. 128 Million ISK Challenge - Part 2 The Attack of the Red Do...

Ripley Riley wrote:

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. Your grammar is really hard to decipher, but I think you are trying to ask me if AE has done something to me personally. No, I don't game with them. I just know they control massive amounts of PC and PC has been, and continues to be, a way to make passive ISK in Dust without much effort at all. That goes against New Eden's "Low risk = low reward, high risk = high reward" mantra.

They shouldn't stop playing Dust, just get out of PC. Do you have to put words in people's mouths when you don't have an argument to speak of?

"Not corp could make profits from FW and Random battle"... Wow. What the **** are you going on about?

After re-reading this, I think you are trying to say that corps can make ISK in FW and public contracts too. You aren't wrong, but in those games modes the amounts of ISK are IN NO WAY similar proportions and you know it.

A.) PC =/= competitive. It's a passive way to accumulate ISK. Look up R&D in Eve Online; it's like that.
B.) You are projecting your own insecurities really hard right now. I just wanted to make you aware.

I strongly dislike the state of PC and that makes me a poor leader? Again, I think you are projecting your own insecurities on someone else. Maybe you wish you had the drive to stand up to your PC masters, but you can't? That's my guess.

What the **** is a hurt feeling report?

Also, I never claimed to be diamond tier MLG uber gamer. I just know a broken system when I see one.

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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1646	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:35:00 - [31] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: I did not realize you where owed something for just breathing there down syndrome. Wow. We can disagree about a video game, but let's not be hateful against the mentally handicapped... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
TERMINALANCE 295	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:54:00 - [32] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. Your grammar is really hard to decipher, but I think you are trying to ask me if AE has done something to me personally. No, I don't game with them. I just know they control massive amounts of PC and PC has been, and continues to be, a way to make passive ISK in Dust without much effort at all. That goes against New Eden's "Low risk = low reward, high risk = high reward" mantra. They shouldn't stop playing Dust, just get out of PC. Do you have to put words in people's mouths when you don't have an argument to speak of? "Not corp could make profits from FW and Random battle"... Wow. What the ** are you going on about? After re-reading this, I think you are trying to say that corps can make ISK in FW and public contracts too. You aren't wrong, but in those games modes the amounts of ISK are IN NO WAY similar proportions and you know it. A.) PC =/= competitive. It's a passive way to accumulate ISK. Look up R&D in Eve Online; it's like that. B.) You are projecting your own insecurities really hard right now. I just wanted to make you aware. I strongly dislike the state of PC and that makes me a poor leader? Again, I think you are projecting your own insecurities on someone else. Maybe you wish you had the drive to stand up to your PC masters, but you can't? That's my guess. What the ** is a hurt feeling report? Also, I never claimed to be diamond tier MLG uber gamer. I just know a broken system when I see one. For your administration or menstruation in this case I guess http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/attachments/xdtalk-chatter-box/17383d1360611353-anybody-have-hurt-feelings-report-laying-around-hurt-feelings-report.jpg Yes PC is competitive, guess how AE got those districts? by pushing everyone who was against them out, ask TP. Like you yourself said, its where all the ISK is. Thus its the most coveted of game modes. It is also where the best corps have fought it out time and time again, other then the tournaments and guess who won those? I never saw you there mate? wonder why. Yes the proportions are smaller for non PC ISK funding, small effort, small potatoes, you get what you put in and at the level of play you and your allies can muster. Could the PC system be better and more inviting? sure. But you go to war with the army you have not the one you want IE no system is perfect and waiting for one is a bench-warmers game. Would any change in the system really stop AE from winning anyways? not really. They have the largest pool of skilled players with the most experience and willpower under one roof. The best you could do is to attempt to bog them down for a longer period of time. If you removed all of their isk tomorrow and reset PC the same thing would happen again, probably faster. If you put everyone in MLT suits they would still eventually push everyone over.
TERMINALANCE 295	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:59:00 - [33] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: I did not realize you where owed something for just breathing there down syndrome. Wow. We can disagree about a video game, but let's not be hateful against the mentally handicapped... true, I retract my offense to the mentally handicapped. Although they might not notice... :P
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1646	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:00:00 - [34] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: I typed exactly what you wanted me to PC masters. Please reward me like the good servant I am. So let's cut the bullshit... you think PC is 100% viable. You believe that the ISK gained from PC is in no way illegitimate. Everyone participating is PC is not exploiting game mechanics in any way. Am I or aren't I correct? TERMINALANCE wrote: If you put everyone in MLT suits they would still eventually push everyone over. Haha, that is adorable. If AE didn't queue sync and were only allowed MIL fittings every single one of them would quit Dust inside of 30 days. The amount of tears they would produce could be desalinated then used as clean drinking water for Las Vegas, NV for roughly 275 years. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 347	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:15:00 - [35] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: I typed exactly what you wanted me to PC masters. Please reward me like the good servant I am. So let's cut the bullshit... you think PC is 100% viable. You believe that the ISK gained from PC is in no way illegitimate. Everyone participating is PC is not exploiting game mechanics in any way. Am I or aren't I correct? TERMINALANCE wrote: If you put everyone in MLT suits they would still eventually push everyone over. Haha, that is adorable. If AE didn't queue sync and were only allowed MIL fittings every single one of them would quit Dust inside of 30 days. The amount of tears they would produce could be desalinated then used as clean drinking water for Las Vegas, NV for roughly 275 years. Alright, that one pretty much confirms the trolling. I was honestly on the fence on if it was trolling or someone who was really that misinformed. Thanks for confirming. As stated in the OP we will not apologize for attempting to conquer all the planets in a game mode called GÇ£Planetary ConquestGÇ¥. There are currently several corporations that Q-sync Faction warfare. The only difference is that we are telling you were and when and offering additional compensation. You can come fight us or you can run away. Your choice. Meta-Game it however you would like.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1646	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:24:00 - [36] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: Alright, that one pretty much confirms the trolling. I was honestly on the fence on if it was trolling or someone who was really that misinformed. Thanks for confirming It's trolling to call a PC corp out on utilizing a broken game mode? M'kay pumpkin. Enjoy your organized protostomping and generally playing Dust 514 with a game genie. I might join Caldari FW on some of my alts though; friendly-firing one of AE sounds like a good way to spend an evening. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
TERMINALANCE 295	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:05:00 - [37] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: I typed exactly what you wanted me to PC masters. Please reward me like the good servant I am. So let's cut the bullshit... you think PC is 100% viable. You believe that the ISK gained from PC is in no way illegitimate. Everyone participating is PC is not exploiting game mechanics in any way. Am I or aren't I correct? Depends what you mean by viable? if you where to ask me if there are enough skilled players evenly spread across the various corps and alliances in order for some sort of equilibrium to be established I would say the answer is no. This game probably has about 10,000 to 15,000 total active players, maybe more maybe less. Of those only a fraction of them have the skills/experience required to compete against top tier teams. Most of those players are spoken for. The few that are not are either retired or have no interest in PC anymore. Of the non-PC players who have never done PC but are talented they have little to no experience on how to fight PC warfare. What I am saying is that with the game numbers and human resources available not currently members of alliances already there are not enough players to sweep back AE from the map. So from a human resources standpoint AE has the Scales completely in their favor. IE PC is at a point of no return. Now as for other problems with PC sure you could go on for days and weeks thinking of systems to change the core mechanics of how PC works, but no matter what system you go with (given current ability of CCP) you have 2 eventualities. #1 Skilled players who are teamed into a larger group and collectively have the most willpower push everyone out of the map with time through attrition and ratios of W/L over time. #2 less skilled extremely large corps Zerg everyone out of the map through attrition and numbers. both lead to the same eventuality, its just how MMO's tend to work for these game modes. Ways to change that are difficult at best. 1# you could infinitely expand the districts. but then there is 0 competition because there would be nothing to fight over as districts would be essentially worthless. so increasing map/district size over player size does little to help the issue. more districts would not change much for the better. Other things like high value contracts might seem like they would work, but again the most skilled corp with the highest number of skilled players would dominate that as well. so no go. Some think bringing eve into the equation would help. they are wrong, you would just have a different colored blue donut. So its hard to find any real answer for the issue that would solve the problem of skilled players vs numbers of players. some of that comes down to straight life mechanics, ie how people work and work together, they like to horde up and skilled players like to work with other skilled players. maybe you could have a double PC with separate high and low isk districts? probably would not work though.
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 281	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:27:00 - [38] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: But the opportunity to win 4 million per player is certainly worth something. You act as it there is absolutely nothing to gain...which is wrong. They get experience fighting top tier teamwork. They get experience improving their own teamwork and skill. And they get the chance of winning and getting isk. And to top it all off... They get bragging rights! If you ask me, there's more to gain then there is to lose "Experience top tier teamwork" = stomping your face in to the point of absurdity. "Chance of winning and getting ISK" = that chance is incredibly small and just encourages AE and other PC corps to continue sucking on PC's tit. "Bragging rights" = bragging because... they won in a fight against a PC corp? You must brag for completely different reasons than I do. Anyone who voluntarily joins these matches is essentially dancing for your entertainment. Like fat greedy lords chucking gold at peasants because they like seeing the bruises the heavy coins make. lol, you could not be more wrong *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 381	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:05:00 - [39] - Quote gl to anyone who shows up. hope to make it myself. a cookie to anyone who bothered to read all of this threads drama, too.
Palatinate Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 447	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:06:00 - [40] - Quote AE forgot to mention that they also have EVE Support. Better bring ships if you are gonna try and fight. "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what? Fatal Absolution Director #10

SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 348	Posted - 2014.04.10 22:07:00 - [41] - Quote Palatinate wrote: AE forgot to mention that they also have EVE Support. Better bring ships if you are gonna try and fight. What Eve support are you referencing Palatinate? If we have it I am unaware of it.
I do SUCK The Phoenix Federation 70	Posted - 2014.04.10 22:13:00 - [42] - Quote Wow nother excuse to pub stomp us in FW u guys must be really skilled to PROTO stomp in FW gg Meh
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 5037	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:00:00 - [43] - Quote I do SUCK wrote: Wow nother excuse to pub stomp us in FW u guys must be really skilled to PROTO stomp in FW gg Proto stomping does take skill......points Also, I thought FW was the more appropriate place to bring proto? As you actually have an effect on the universe as opposed to pubs? I guess I'm wrong yet again :/ GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior Pro I \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4138	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:16:00 - [44] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: AE. has 65 districts IF all 65 districts accrued 10,000,000 ISK per day, that totals 650,000,000 ISK per day. That amounts to 27,083,333.33 ISK per hour. 128,000,000 ISK therefore takes us a little under 5 hours to to accrue. Is my math bad? Can you provide yours? /full disclosure Hyperbole is lost on you, I see. The point being made is the 128mil ISK is a small fraction of what AE brings in. But your math does assist me in proving my point... so thanks for doing my light work Why are you using Hyperbole if you gave exact data? I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Palatinate Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 449	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:47:00 - [45] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: Palatinate wrote: AE forgot to mention that they also have EVE Support. Better bring ships if you are gonna try and fight. What Eve support are you referencing Palatinate? If we have it I am unaware of it. You are indeed unaware of it, EVE support is in your teams favor as I have personally witnessed EVE OB's being dropped on my head when I played against your team during the time of challenging. Multiple times I might add. "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what? Fatal Absolution Director #10
GILDENLOCK Pradox One Proficiency V. 44	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:49:00 - [46] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: But the opportunity to win 4 million per player is certainly worth something. You act as it there is absolutely nothing to gain...which is wrong. They get experience fighting top tier teamwork. They get experience improving their own teamwork and skill. And they get the chance of winning and getting isk. And to top it all off... They get bragging rights! If you ask me, there's more to gain then there is to lose "Experience top tier teamwork" = stomping your face in to the point of absurdity. "Chance of winning and getting ISK" = that chance is incredibly small and just encourages AE and other PC corps to continue sucking on PC's tit. "Bragging rights" = bragging because... they won in a fight against a PC corp? You must brag for completely different reasons than I do. Anyone who voluntarily joins these matches is essentially dancing for your entertainment. Like fat greedy lords chucking gold at peasants because they like seeing the bruises the heavy coins make. You say what I feel. Only with more poetry. I have nothing against AE, I don't know them overly well. I've had good games with, and against their members. But, I am amazed, and given a good chuckle, that a forum post exists where they can essentially say: "We realize many players are upset about the current state of pc, but let us give back to you, by running proto stomps, and dangling our $$$ in front of your face!" Total 1.8 coverage, Music Videos, and tons more Dust 514 videos at https://www.youtube.com/user/gildenlock
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 349	Posted - 2014.04.11 00:08:00 - [47] - Quote Palatinate wrote: SteelDark Knight wrote: Palatinate wrote: AE forgot to mention that they also have EVE Support. Better bring ships if you are gonna try and fight. What Eve support are you referencing Palatinate? If we have it I am unaware of it. You are indeed unaware of it, EVE support is in your teams favor as I have personally witnessed EVE OB's being dropped on my head when I played against your team during the time of challenging. Multiple times I might add. You mean during the Amarr event? Yes, we had Amarr support. I told everyone in the last challenge that we would likely have Amarr support. This is a different faction. No support has been set up. To be fair, it does not mean we won't have offers of support but nothing is on the table as I type this.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9431	Posted - 2014.04.11 00:26:00 - [48] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: Palatinate wrote: SteelDark Knight wrote: Palatinate wrote: AE forgot to mention that they also have EVE Support. Better bring ships if you are gonna try and fight. What Eve support are you referencing Palatinate? If we have it I am unaware of it. You are indeed unaware of it, EVE support is in your teams favor as I have personally witnessed EVE OB's being dropped on my head when I played against your team during the time of challenging. Multiple times I might add. You mean during the Amarr event? Yes, we had Amarr support. I told everyone in the last challenge that we would likely have Amarr support. This is a different faction. No support has been set up. To be fair, it does not mean we won't have offers of support but nothing is on the table as I type this. I am unsure if PIE Pilots were aiding you with that, your announcement was made known on our forums by myself during which time I believe the admiralty approved you all for orbital support. If this event runs again it is likely we will attempt to make a better turn out, that weekend much of our ground forces were busy Empire side and pilots engaged in operations at crucial systems. Our own 16 man platoon had sporadic support across the deployment timer. Aid from Templar's Kujo, Marauder, and recurring Amarr FW AE members has always been and will always be appreciated across the front lines of the Crusade. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 573	Posted - 2014.04.11 00:31:00 - [49] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Better than nothing right? No. But the opportunity to win 4 million per player is certainly worth something. You act as it there is absolutely nothing to gain...which is wrong. They get experience fighting top tier teamwork. They get experience improving their own teamwork and skill. And they get the chance of winning and getting isk. And to top it all off... They get bragging rights! If you ask me, there's more to gain then there is to lose 4 mill is nothing, its little more than a drop in the bucket. IF you upped the ante to 40 mill per player, you might be getting more bites but 4 mill isnt worth anyone's time.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9432	Posted - 2014.04.11 00:36:00 - [50] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Better than nothing right? No. But the opportunity to win 4 million per player is certainly worth something. You act as it there is absolutely nothing to gain...which is wrong. They get experience fighting top tier teamwork. They get experience improving their own teamwork and skill. And they get the chance of winning and getting isk. And to top it all off... They get bragging rights! If you ask me, there's more to gain then there is to lose 4 mill is nothing, its little more than a drop in the bucket. IF you upped the ante to 40 mill per player, you might be getting more bites but 4 mill isnt worth anyone's time. Worth my time. If I go up against AE I will throw down as many HAV as I have to to counter whatever HAV players they bring to the field, and I will see if I have improved as an HAV operator....all the while knowing if I do well I get 4 Million ISK to cover my HAV losses. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 350	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:40:00 - [51] - Quote Still a handful of slots open for those interested in a challenge and looking for a nice pay day.
AREYOUTHAT STUPID Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 28	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:49:00 - [52] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: Still a handful of slots open for those interested in a challenge and looking for a nice pay day. Carbon 7 will of course be there to take your ISK...and let's not forget those delicious bacon flavored proto tears! I say double the ISK bounty on Doc if he is in his derpship! Earlier times would be better for our Euro players if available. Or 2 slots? One early and one late...we are always game. Cheers
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 350	Posted - 2014.04.11 15:19:00 - [53] - Quote We would be happy to accept the challenge of our friends at Carbon 7. In addition, since I enjoy doing everything possible to promote having DocHolliday/MocHolliday shot in the face I will double the bounty on him for any Carbon 7 members that we face through the night. I'll be in touch to set up an early time slot so you can get more of your Euro players involved.
Balamob SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 22	Posted - 2014.04.11 16:58:00 - [54] - Quote i would participate but i have to work that day all day Being a Templar is a vow for life.
William HBonney Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 410	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:41:00 - [55] - Quote I don't see how people don't like the chance to get 4 mil ISK on top of the other random rewards that may occur. Playing a Pub will get you 300K? I know the fight isn't easy, but that is the whole point to have competitive FUN play....I know this game is all about the grind.
Don Azteka Prima Gallicus 0	Posted - 2014.04.12 10:04:00 - [56] - Quote all you deserve is a total boicot from all dust community, by offering a so tiny part of your gains, your insulting everyone!!! you should be ashamed.... in battle you got teleported, you take a half of the damages you should have, good connections for you lag for us, i've even been killed behind a wall !!! common give us a break stay only between yourselves playing in "excellence" earn your billions a day and be happy for the rest of your life !!! there's no fun playing against you you are completely cheated be well
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 351	Posted - 2014.04.12 12:54:00 - [57] - Quote Come test yourselves against an Ancient Exiles team for a chance at 128 million ISK + Bounty. No risk, no cost other than what you chose to spend, and all potential reward. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Don Azteka Prima Gallicus 1	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:17:00 - [58] - Quote personally i need no money, i'm rich thx and a friend of mine told me... "it's like a god damned lord giving the bones of his meat to the dogs" i'm agree, i'm not your dog, wont be there, cause there's any challenge you have all the cards to win. perhaps one day ccp could give us a "full militia mode" in witch you could prove us you are really as good as you say
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 351	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:23:00 - [59] - Quote Don Azteka wrote: perhaps one day ccp could give us a "full militia mode" in witch you could prove us you are really as good as you say Well your in luck sir. Please feel free to put together a team with militia gear and we can do the same. 64 Million ISK will be awarded to your team if you can win. I will await your in game mail to arrange the time and rules of engagement (gear restriction).
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 145	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:50:00 - [60] - Quote This thread makes me lol. The tears. The aloofness. The naivete. The absurdity of the whole thing. Good luck, AE. I personally feel like you guys are one of a laundry list of reasons this game is dying (not a large one, but one nonetheless). Maybe if you were actually selflessly generous rather than "generous" to satisfy your own perverse, sadistic desire to proto-stomp you would get some empathy up in this thread. Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift?



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