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Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:35:00 -
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Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture
I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says.
What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that.
HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it.
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Ziiro Celeste
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:42:00 -
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Nerf Pyrex and his Flaylock.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:43:00 -
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I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:44:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:48:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say.
I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun? |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:49:00 -
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Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman.
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KaTaLy5t-87
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:51:00 -
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Nobody cares what Pyrex says.
Who are you anyway? And who are you to tell us to listen to Pyrex? I will listen or not listen to whomsoever I choose thank you very much. |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:56:00 -
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Nope, his turn to feel the nerf hammer. Everyone always says "this game is balanced" when they're flailing the flesh off of the masses.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:59:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman.
Fair point, I grant you that. But i've been gone since August... what more do we really have since then? Yeah some new maps, which are nice. Yeah, new guns, which are nice. Yeah, new suits, which are nice. But what about the EVE link? What about being a mercenary for the Capsuleers? What about affecting SOV, Planetary Interaction, Player Owned Stations, heck even Titans? What about that stuff, the stuff they promised? What about fighters? The Enforcers and Surya/Sagaris? Gunships? Infantry Fighting Vehicles? Hover bikes? Orbital Cannons (The ones that shot at the Moros in "A Future Vision" and the one that punched a hole through a Nyx in "Origins")? When can I say "Ok Fleet Commander, the ground station is taken, call a target", which at that point I am given a target in EVE, say a Revelation, to shoot at from the orbital cannon on the ground, and the thing is one shotted out of the sky? What about that stuff, the real depth that is missing? I want that stuff. I wanna burn a region's planets in EVE to the ground. The promise is there, but my point is, wasting Dev time on nerfs and buffs is taking a lot from what this game could be. Broken things should be fixed yes, but honestly, if it isn't really broken, why complain about it?
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:03:00 -
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Who is Pyrex? |
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Onesimus Tarsus
703rd
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:05:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman. Fair point, I grant you that. But i've been gone since August... what more do we really have since then? Yeah some new maps, which are nice. Yeah, new guns, which are nice. Yeah, new suits, which are nice. But what about the EVE link? What about being a mercenary for the Capsuleers? What about affecting SOV, Planetary Interaction, Player Owned Stations, heck even Titans? What about that stuff, the stuff they promised? What about fighters? The Enforcers and Surya/Sagaris? Gunships? Infantry Fighting Vehicles? Hover bikes? Orbital Cannons (The ones that shot at the Moros in "A Future Vision" and the one that punched a hole through a Nyx in "Origins")? When can I say "Ok Fleet Commander, the ground station is taken, call a target", which at that point I am given a target in EVE, say a Revelation, to shoot at from the orbital cannon on the ground, and the thing is one shotted out of the sky? What about that stuff, the real depth that is missing? I want that stuff. I wanna burn a region's planets in EVE to the ground. The promise is there, but my point is, wasting Dev time on nerfs and buffs is taking a lot from what this game could be. Broken things should be fixed yes, but honestly, if it isn't really broken, why complain about it? I just wanna effect EVE, I just wanna be a mercenary
Considering that's still a pipe dream, we're asking for a working version of what seems to be the product offered.
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KaTaLy5t-87
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:08:00 -
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We need a game that functions properly before all that crap. I honestly couldn't give a flying f**k about Eve or the Dust-Eve link. Once we have a game that we can actually play then CCP can work on all the stuff. I've been here since the Beta so I'm well aware of the numerous promises that CCP made. I'm also well aware that the core mechanics of this game are flawed and they need to be put right before adding any bells and whistles.
I think a lot of Dust players really don't care about the neckbeards and their spreadsheets. I want to shoot people in the face, blow stuff up and have fun doing it. If I can collect neckbeard tears at some stage down the line then all the better. |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:08:00 -
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I stopped listening to Pyrex when he made 2 propaganda videos against my old alliance which were completely (and some parts ironically) false.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:08:00 -
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I would prefer content to balance myself as well, if only because you can't properly balance without all the content. I don't know why it its Assn either or though, they should be able to do both. A real developer could.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:09:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman. Fair point, I grant you that. But i've been gone since August... what more do we really have since then? Yeah some new maps, which are nice. Yeah, new guns, which are nice. Yeah, new suits, which are nice. But what about the EVE link? What about being a mercenary for the Capsuleers? What about affecting SOV, Planetary Interaction, Player Owned Stations, heck even Titans? What about that stuff, the stuff they promised? What about fighters? The Enforcers and Surya/Sagaris? Gunships? Infantry Fighting Vehicles? Hover bikes? Orbital Cannons (The ones that shot at the Moros in "A Future Vision" and the one that punched a hole through a Nyx in "Origins")? When can I say "Ok Fleet Commander, the ground station is taken, call a target", which at that point I am given a target in EVE, say a Revelation, to shoot at from the orbital cannon on the ground, and the thing is one shotted out of the sky? What about that stuff, the real depth that is missing? I want that stuff. I wanna burn a region's planets in EVE to the ground. The promise is there, but my point is, wasting Dev time on nerfs and buffs is taking a lot from what this game could be. Broken things should be fixed yes, but honestly, if it isn't really broken, why complain about it? I just wanna effect EVE, I just wanna be a mercenary
I am pretty sure that nerf/buffing (i.e. changing a couple of values in the database) doesn't effect CCP asset production in the least. I mean it is pretty obvious that the stats that go on most things are not heavily considered and I would be suprised if more than one person spends more than one day per patch cycle on them.
TLDR: Nerf/Buff isn't effecting content production.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:10:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman. Fair point, I grant you that. But i've been gone since August... what more do we really have since then? Yeah some new maps, which are nice. Yeah, new guns, which are nice. Yeah, new suits, which are nice. But what about the EVE link? What about being a mercenary for the Capsuleers? What about affecting SOV, Planetary Interaction, Player Owned Stations, heck even Titans? What about that stuff, the stuff they promised? What about fighters? The Enforcers and Surya/Sagaris? Gunships? Infantry Fighting Vehicles? Hover bikes? Orbital Cannons (The ones that shot at the Moros in "A Future Vision" and the one that punched a hole through a Nyx in "Origins")? When can I say "Ok Fleet Commander, the ground station is taken, call a target", which at that point I am given a target in EVE, say a Revelation, to shoot at from the orbital cannon on the ground, and the thing is one shotted out of the sky? What about that stuff, the real depth that is missing? I want that stuff. I wanna burn a region's planets in EVE to the ground. The promise is there, but my point is, wasting Dev time on nerfs and buffs is taking a lot from what this game could be. Broken things should be fixed yes, but honestly, if it isn't really broken, why complain about it? I just wanna effect EVE, I just wanna be a mercenary Considering that's still a pipe dream, we're asking for a working version of what seems to be the product offered.
Then again, what use is "THIS IS OP, NERF IT" to the same thing a month later "THIS THING IS BAD, BUFF IT", over and over again. The pieces are falling into place, but if ALL the Devs are doing is this nerfing and buffing, what real progress are we making? I'd rather have an OP Gun and the ability to be a massive pain in the butt to capsuleers than the same gun instead being nerfed, then buffed. |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:13:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say. I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun?
I'd rather have a balanced and major bug free game. New stuff brings back old players for a short while after a patch until they get too annoyed by how unbalanced and buggy the game is but a balanced and major bug free game will keep them playing in between patches. Though with that said we need all the racial suits (commander and pilot suits), vehicles (Amarr and Minmatar DS's, Lav's & tanks, Mavs, L & H Aircraft, and weapons (AV, Heavy weapons, and turrets) to achieve that. Basically we need the base game and it needs to be balanced and major bug free before we worry about new stuff.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say. I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun? I'd rather have a balanced and major bug free game. New stuff brings back old players for a short while after a patch until they get too annoyed by how unbalanced and buggy the game is but a balanced and major bug free game will keep them playing in between patches. Though with that said we need all the racial suits (commander and pilot suits), vehicles (Amarr and Minmatar DS's, Lav's & tanks, Mavs, L & H Aircraft, and weapons (AV, Heavy weapons, and turrets) to achieve that. Basically we need the base game and it needs to be balanced and major bug free before we worry about new stuff.
The problem is... it's not new
In fact, it was there before much of anything in Dust was here. Planetary interaction, the ability to colonize planets for resources, was supposed to go hand in hand with Dust. However, the Tyrannis expansion was a long time ago. I would love to finally have "A Future Vision" be "A almost here Vision". |
KaTaLy5t-87
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:18:00 -
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If you want to have some effect in Eve then go play Eve. |
Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:22:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say. I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun? I'd rather have a balanced and major bug free game. New stuff brings back old players for a short while after a patch until they get too annoyed by how unbalanced and buggy the game is but a balanced and major bug free game will keep them playing in between patches. Though with that said we need all the racial suits (commander and pilot suits), vehicles (Amarr and Minmatar DS's, Lav's & tanks, Mavs, L & H Aircraft, and weapons (AV, Heavy weapons, and turrets) to achieve that. Basically we need the base game and it needs to be balanced and major bug free before we worry about new stuff.
Though we keep trying that, but the thing is we aren't calling for balances, we're screaming "OP OP OP NERF NERF NERF" or the opposite "THIS IS BAD BUFF BUFF BUFF" in many cases. Every single time I visit the forums, I see this, with not nearly as much of calling for a milder version so things get balanced, not nerfed. What they should do is what they did with Railguns... they balanced them. However, if they went to the extreme like they often have done, Railguns would become really bad (to like they only had a 100m range, which would be underpowered and idiotic). But at the same time... if the new patches with new guns and suits isn't keeping the old players for more than a week, what will? Perhaps SOV interaction? Perhaps expanding PC? Bettering the link to EVE? Remember, EVE used to be SUPERRRRRRRRRRRRR buggy for a long time, yet it still grew in size. Maybe the link is what we need to expand the game |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:22:00 -
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who is Pyrex then? Is he Delboys ALT?
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:23:00 -
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KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:If you want to have some effect in Eve then go play Eve.
I do |
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The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:24:00 -
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Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:25:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:If you want to have some effect in Eve then go play Eve. I do
Then go play Eve instead of playing Dust because it will be a long time before Dust makes any kind of impact in Eve, if ever! |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:25:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman. Fair point, I grant you that. But i've been gone since August... what more do we really have since then? Yeah some new maps, which are nice. Yeah, new guns, which are nice. Yeah, new suits, which are nice. But what about the EVE link? What about being a mercenary for the Capsuleers? What about affecting SOV, Planetary Interaction, Player Owned Stations, heck even Titans? What about that stuff, the stuff they promised? What about fighters? The Enforcers and Surya/Sagaris? Gunships? Infantry Fighting Vehicles? Hover bikes? Orbital Cannons (The ones that shot at the Moros in "A Future Vision" and the one that punched a hole through a Nyx in "Origins")? When can I say "Ok Fleet Commander, the ground station is taken, call a target", which at that point I am given a target in EVE, say a Revelation, to shoot at from the orbital cannon on the ground, and the thing is one shotted out of the sky? What about that stuff, the real depth that is missing? I want that stuff. I wanna burn a region's planets in EVE to the ground. The promise is there, but my point is, wasting Dev time on nerfs and buffs is taking a lot from what this game could be. Broken things should be fixed yes, but honestly, if it isn't really broken, why complain about it? I just wanna effect EVE, I just wanna be a mercenary Considering that's still a pipe dream, we're asking for a working version of what seems to be the product offered. Then again, what use is "THIS IS OP, NERF IT" to the same thing a month later "THIS THING IS BAD, BUFF IT", over and over again. The pieces are falling into place, but if ALL the Devs are doing is this nerfing and buffing, what real progress are we making? I'd rather have an OP Gun and the ability to be a massive pain in the butt to capsuleers than the same gun instead being nerfed, then buffed.
And I'm saying that if they would show one shred of evidence that they intend on making DUST anything at all ever except a lobby shooter, most people would focus on that. But they don't, so people gripe about what they have working rather than waiting on something that's probably never coming.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:27:00 -
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KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:If you want to have some effect in Eve then go play Eve. I do Then go play Eve instead of playing Dust because it will be a long time before Dust makes any kind of impact in Eve, if ever!
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:28:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:29:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
Beautiful.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment...
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:31:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
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Echo 1991 wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment... When someone says that the cloak rewards good gameplay, they clearly have no idea about balance.
Then you missed the point of my post, I'll get in next time you log on :D |
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RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:45:00 -
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@OP
So you've barely been playing the game and you want to tell people to STFU about getting this game properly balanced?
I'm going to kindly suggest you f*ck off. I don't know what sort of clout or merit you think your opinion has on this topic, but i'll tell you, if you ain't been playing it's zero.
I'm highly disappointed in the forum community that no one has told you off before now. I would suggest you either get back to playing Dust before running your mouth about issues which you currently know nothing of, or find another game you don't play to comment on.
Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:52:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment... When someone says that the cloak rewards good gameplay, they clearly have no idea about balance. Then you missed the point of my post, I'll get in next time you log on :D
I know we have needed new content for ages. New maps and game modes not new weapons and suits. Other things also need to fixed.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:57:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say. I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun?
No. It sounds like idealism from someone unaware of how this works.
The people balancing weapons do not code for Planetary Interaction colonies, or design new maps. They balance. They design weapons, they deal in stats.
You can't simply decide to put them on a different task that they're not suited for.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
62
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:06:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:@OP
So you've barely been playing the game and you want to tell people to STFU about getting this game properly balanced?
I'm going to kindly suggest you f*ck off. I don't know what sort of clout or merit you think your opinion has on this topic, but i'll tell you, if you ain't been playing it's zero.
I'm highly disappointed in the forum community that no one has told you off before now. I would suggest you either get back to playing Dust before running your mouth about issues which you currently know nothing of, or find another game you don't play to comment on.
Gee thanks pal. I've been here for a long time, since two years ago, before Chromosome, and was also involved with PC. I've been gone from Dust, but when I get a break from school, I've played. I played for a month from December to January, and weeks here and there. I've kept up with patches, Fit of the Month, ect. As an HAV Pilot, I called for an HAV buff, and when I got it I did concede that it was too much of a buff (Don't you dare say I didn't Echo!). I'm not advocating we stop balancing the game. I'm saying stop it with the "NERF THIS BUFF THAT" that goes to the extremes, like HAVs, Flaylock/Massdriver, OP Logis. Which I have been there for. If it weren't for school, I would have stayed on Dust, but now I just watch from my SpaceShip in EVE. My corporation listed here, it's purpose is Planetary Interaction in EVE, but if they give me the chance, I plan on turning it into a Dust corporation to accomplish EVE side goals, you know, what the game was intended for? So if you want to discredit me and my 18+ Million SP, then you're out of place. I want the game balanced, that's what CCP HASN'T BEEN DOING too well, they've been NERFING and BUFFING things to extremes. Balance, EVE Link, progress, not "Nerfing this into oblivion" or "Buffing this way out of line".
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listen to this **** 
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:08:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
I don't love you or hate you, I just don't give a f**k what you say.
Obviously we all care about this game because we are here talking about it and playing it. As long as the game sits in its current state I don't think things will ever get better, there won't be any new players (none that will actually stick around) and the old players will continue to pop in and out to check out the new patches. The game has been and will continue to be in a state of flux until something drastic changes. New players will come, they'll play until they are sick of being curb-stomped by the veteran players or until they are sick of all the bugs and glitches. Veteran players will come back when a new patch comes out and then leave again shortly thereafter when they realise that the latest patch is as much of a turd as the last patch. The game will never grow beyond its current player base because it is simply not good enough attract and keep new players while keeping vets playing as well. |
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The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:11:00 -
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Its not about tactical deployment of a product with skill sets and roadmaps, i am talking the general 'groupthink' of this community is to make forceful angry posts demanding nerfing/buffing of this and that.
I am talking about changing the demands we make on CCP to be less about 'change this and that' and make our guiding principle to be new content and the overall experience of this game as lets face it for some time it doesnt feel its been that way.
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:24:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:@OP
So you've barely been playing the game and you want to tell people to STFU about getting this game properly balanced?
I'm going to kindly suggest you f*ck off. I don't know what sort of clout or merit you think your opinion has on this topic, but i'll tell you, if you ain't been playing it's zero.
I'm highly disappointed in the forum community that no one has told you off before now. I would suggest you either get back to playing Dust before running your mouth about issues which you currently know nothing of, or find another game you don't play to comment on. Gee thanks pal. I've been here for a long time, since two years ago, before Chromosome, and was also involved with PC. I've been gone from Dust, but when I get a break from school, I've played. I played for a month from December to January, and weeks here and there. I've kept up with patches, Fit of the Month, ect. As an HAV Pilot, I called for an HAV buff, and when I got it I did concede that it was too much of a buff (Don't you dare say I didn't Echo!). I'm not advocating we stop balancing the game. I'm saying stop it with the "NERF THIS BUFF THAT" that goes to the extremes, like HAVs, Flaylock/Massdriver, OP Logis. Which I have been there for. If it weren't for school, I would have stayed on Dust, but now I just watch from my SpaceShip in EVE. My corporation listed here, it's purpose is Planetary Interaction in EVE, but if they give me the chance, I plan on turning it into a Dust corporation to accomplish EVE side goals, you know, what the game was intended for? So if you want to discredit me and my 18+ Million SP, then you're out of place. I want the game balanced, that's what CCP HASN'T BEEN DOING too well, they've been NERFING and BUFFING things to extremes. Balance, EVE Link, progress, not "Nerfing this into oblivion" or "Buffing this way out of line".
Changes will always be viewed as nerfs and buffs. If you say you want the game to be balanced, but no more nerfing/buffing, then you are a fool because they are the same thing. I'm glad to hear you have been keeping up with the game and goofing around with the fitting tool or what ever, thats not playing. You play here and there? Thats all fine and good, but it in no way justifies your title to this thread. I could care less how long you have "been around", just as I could care less when people claim "closed beta vet".
Good for you. And your 18 million sp means nothing. It does you no better than my 20+ mil does me.
I would love to have all the stuff you want in the game. But if they don't make the game at least somewhat playable NOW, there won't be anyone around to enjoy all that stuff. And do you think Eve people are going to want a mess of a game that completely changes every few months to have any larger of an impact on Tranquility than it does now? If the basics can't be nailed down after this long, thats a problem. And you don't say f*ck it, lets just worry about balance later.
Next time you create a thread with such an inflamitory title, I suggest you don't immediately bring up the fact you barely play.
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WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:35:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment... Or CCP could devote one team to balance and another team for development. There is no reason why addressing balance issues should hinder further development of the game. 
I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:35:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Its not about tactical deployment of a product with skill sets and roadmaps, i am talking the general 'groupthink' of this community is to make forceful angry posts demanding nerfing/buffing of this and that.
I am talking about changing the demands we make on CCP to be less about 'change this and that' and make our guiding principle to be new content and the overall experience of this game as lets face it for some time it doesnt feel its been that way.
Oh, that part of forum culture always has and always will be trash. It's modern human behaviour to whine about things on the forums.
There are some genuine points to be made, though. As I referred to earlier - the Callogi and TAR were clearly superior options to anything else on the table. That's when you deploy nerfbats.
But the idea of 'new content' being driven by the devs doing balancing is misguided. Designers responsible for balance don't code new game modes - it's not their job, it's not what they do. Attempting to repurpose of them simply wouldn't work.
You're not going to see a pretty new map from Wolfman or Remnant. Balancing doesn't hinder new content like it seems you think it does.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Akdhar Saif
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:53:00 -
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Balancing has always been a side-issue in EVE. Why can't it be the same for Dust. Introduce the new stuff alongside minor balancing tweaks. |
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Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:57:00 -
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I have a better idea. Lets fix all the bugs in 1.8. Honestly there's so many that I don't think anyone can really say what is or is not OP right now.
Take cloaks, the only problem with them I can see (I am a logi, not a scout, btw) is they don't drop fast enough, so you can shoot while cloaked. Laughably, CCP originally thought that was a great idea, obviously it was not, so it was "intended" to be removed, but not quite. If that got fixed I think you'd see a lot less complaining.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:11:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment... Or CCP could devote one team to balance and another team for development. There is no reason why addressing balance issues should hinder further development of the game.
Now we're getting somewhere |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:15:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:medomai grey wrote:Or CCP could devote one team to balance and another team for development. There is no reason why addressing balance issues should hinder further development of the game. Now we're getting somewhere
We're already there.
CCP Wolfman, Remnant, and company aren't doing things like making new maps.
Meanwhile, the art department is not balancing weapons.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
66
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:17:00 -
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Akdhar Saif wrote:Balancing has always been a side-issue in EVE. Why can't it be the same for Dust. Introduce the new stuff alongside minor balancing tweaks.
That is where you wrong. The majority of EVE "New Content" in the game right now came with the expansion "Apocrypha", and other expansions (Being Incursion and Inferno, but I very well could be wrong). The last three expansions, Retribution, Odyssey, and Rubicon, have been mostly balance, bug fix, and tweak expansions (Yes they have brought in new content, but nothing near like they did in Apocrypha). What is going on in EVE right now is that CCP was busy releasing new things, that they never fixed any of it, which they are now fixing. Dust has had a different pattern where they introduce things, then buff/nerf/buff/nerf, and the things introduced are mostly things like guns, suits, and maps. I would love to see an expansion OF the game scope, and balance everything [HOPEFULLY] once and for all. |
Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:24:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:medomai grey wrote:Or CCP could devote one team to balance and another team for development. There is no reason why addressing balance issues should hinder further development of the game. Now we're getting somewhere We're already there. CCP Wolfman, Remnant, and company aren't doing things like making new maps. Meanwhile, the art department is not balancing weapons.
It be nice if the art department could design some new maps, structures, and environments for new things like Sov Interaction wouldn't it?
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Legions of Infinite Dominion
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:30:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment...
STFU SHMUUF NOBODY ASKED YOU!!
*trollface*
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through the smoke and flames
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:35:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say. I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun? I'd rather have a balanced and major bug free game. New stuff brings back old players for a short while after a patch until they get too annoyed by how unbalanced and buggy the game is but a balanced and major bug free game will keep them playing in between patches. Though with that said we need all the racial suits (commander and pilot suits), vehicles (Amarr and Minmatar DS's, Lav's & tanks, Mavs, L & H Aircraft, and weapons (AV, Heavy weapons, and turrets) to achieve that. Basically we need the base game and it needs to be balanced and major bug free before we worry about new stuff. The problem is... it's not new In fact, it was there before much of anything in Dust was here. Planetary interaction, the ability to colonize planets for resources, was supposed to go hand in hand with Dust. However, the Tyrannis expansion was a long time ago. I would love to finally have "A Future Vision" be "A almost here Vision".
I suppose you're right about what you want not being new; however it's not a part of the base game (and the base of this game is in FPS) therefor, it can fcking wait.
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
This is CEOPyrex to a T.
"We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
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Silver Bullet Solutions
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yeah people need tosuck it up an d delwith any precived imbalances this game has and push for the rest ofthe base content like the remining racial vehicles, logi cars and dropships, murarder tanks, MAVs,the 6 remaining racial heavy weapons, PVE MISSIONS AT LEAST LEVEL 1-2, freedom to travel new eden freely, and a player driven market. These are the things that should be worked on this year not continuing the useless tweaks to an unfinished foundation. |
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DUST University
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
It's not about who made the video, it's about the intent behind the video's message
For some reason your reply reminds me of what the republicans and democrats said about absentee and butterfly ballots respectively back in the 2000 Florida recount.
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Galthur wrote:I stopped listening to Pyrex when he made 2 propaganda videos against my old alliance which were completely (and some parts ironically) false.
Its not false, its the truth.
In some corp I was in I said **** to STB then Bane 843 got butthurt because we are an alliance with them, my response was I dont give a **** if we have an alliance.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.04.10 00:06:00 -
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Uncle Pyrex:
"The game feels good"
"Scouting is fun"
"Buff the fraylock"
Still love his vids. Watch them every morning.
The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one!
1.8 is fun. Cant wait for the new build!
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TeamPlayers
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
You say this game is about new players but then you say you think the game should be horridly unbalanced in favor of content new players will never see after being mowed down by fotm horrifically overpowered proto gear?
The logic is strong in this thread... |
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment...
Principus is OP.
CCP pls nerf
(I generally agree--I haven't ever pursued FotM, I just go for whats' fun and useful to me at the time. CCP can focus on making the game, and when they do well, people will follow. Loud whiners are never the majority, you can just look at numbers and see what people are doing!)
Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
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Posted - 2014.04.10 00:24:00 -
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Akdhar Saif wrote:Balancing has always been a side-issue in EVE. Why can't it be the same for Dust. Introduce the new stuff alongside minor balancing tweaks.
Thats really the crux of what Pyrex was saying. For a good long while now each patch has felt like it was a balance patch, with a slow trickle of new content. What we need is a reversal of that. Open the floodgates on new content and slow balancing to a trickle.
And by content (really broad term) its more than just dropsuits and weapons. Its game modes, work on the EVE-DUST link, transforming the lobby shooter we have into the sandbox mmo residing in New Eden we were hoping for.
EVE - Victor Maximus
DUST - Azri Sarum
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.04.10 00:53:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:But what about the EVE link?
I think I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but as a mostly console FPS player who has never played Eve -- what about it?
Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to crap on the idea that further Dust/Eve integration is desirable, or that bridging two entirely different games is a great idea and should be pursued (it is, definitely) -- but I'm an FPS player, and when I first came across dust, I was looking for another FPS to play, and space-based one with cool gear and vehicles sounded right up my alley. I of course knew about the Eve side, but I didn't come to this game thinking anything other than, "Wow, this is a pretty cool idea, and a challenging game. I think I'll give it a go".
Personally, I find the idea that the way to fix Dust is to focus on Eve-side integration is terribly misguided, and a concept that should be utterly discarded. Dust is a shooter, and in that respect falls short on some basic game mechanics that shooters need to be considered successful. Dust needs to focus on being a better shooter before it focuses on any of that other (admittedly awesome) stuff. Mercs aren't quitting or false-starting this game because Eve-side stuff is not supported better; they are leaving because they are tired of balance issues and hit detection and my fraking assault forge gun not fraking firing when it's fraking supposed to.
I don't play Eve, and to a large extent, don't really care about it. I'll admit that I've become more interested in Eve politics and the meta game since I've been playing, but as something fun to talk about in squad -- it's the Dust merc version of watercooler talk. When I'm playing, I care about pwning mercs in quantity, and in the most colorful way as my abilities allow me to. That's about it.
Eve-side integration is a fine long-term goal, but should never, ever take away resources from making the best shooter possible.
My .02 isk.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
416
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Posted - 2014.04.10 01:02:00 -
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one problem is misinformed noobs making reviews of dust, the old BS misconception- "ITS PAY 2 WIN"... after they play 3-4 matches... then CCP seems to want to adjust the game for these BS reviews.. "INVISIBLE INFANTRY IS OWNING ME!!" says some guy with a standard definition TV from 1995.. CCP knee jerks to these bogus reviews and we that play the game are left to suffer. "I CANT SOLO A QUE SYNC'ED CORP!!!" the list goes on...
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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KaTaLy5t-87
Shadow Company HQ
Lokun Listamenn
170
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Posted - 2014.04.10 10:59:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:But what about the EVE link? I think I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but as a mostly console FPS player who has never played Eve -- what about it? Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to crap on the idea that further Dust/Eve integration is desirable, or that bridging two entirely different games is a great idea and should be pursued (it is, definitely) -- but I'm an FPS player, and when I first came across dust, I was looking for another FPS to play, and space-based one with cool gear and vehicles sounded right up my alley. I of course knew about the Eve side, but I didn't come to this game thinking anything other than, "Wow, this is a pretty cool idea, and a challenging game. I think I'll give it a go". Personally, I find the idea that the way to fix Dust is to focus on Eve-side integration is terribly misguided, and a concept that should be utterly discarded. Dust is a shooter, and in that respect falls short on some basic game mechanics that shooters need to be considered successful. Dust needs to focus on being a better shooter before it focuses on any of that other (admittedly awesome) stuff. Mercs aren't quitting or false-starting this game because Eve-side stuff is not supported better; they are leaving because they are tired of balance issues and hit detection and my fraking assault forge gun not fraking firing when it's fraking supposed to. I don't play Eve, and to a large extent, don't really care about it. I'll admit that I've become more interested in Eve politics and the meta game since I've been playing, but as something fun to talk about in squad -- it's the Dust merc version of watercooler talk. When I'm playing, I care about pwning mercs in quantity, and in the most colorful way as my abilities allow me to. That's about it. Eve-side integration is a fine long-term goal, but should never, ever take away resources from making the best shooter possible. My .02 isk.
You are not in the minority from what I can see. Most players want this game to function correctly in the most basic ways before anything else is done on Dust-Eve integration thing. I agree with everything you said and I think it is the view of the majority of the serious players in the community. Nobody wants to play a FPS game that doesn't work well as a FPS game! |
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.10 11:11:00 -
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Yes, I remember watching one of his videos at the beginning and thinking they were ok, but then they started to lose credibility really quickly when he was claiming things like HAV's were balanced in 1.7 .... or asking for buffs on flaylocks at the time that they were used as a main weapon... it should be taken as it is - just one player's personal opinion on video...
Having said that - balancing will ALWAYS be required, it's not we should stop balancing, it's that CCP should have a team dedicated to balancing and have enough resources to have another team create content... at the moment it's clear they cannot do both. If I had a choice, I'd go with content... especially PVE... that way if something was really game-breaking, you could take shelter in PVE the time they took to fix it...
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
750
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:51:00 -
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Justicar Karnellia wrote:Yes, I remember watching one of his videos at the beginning and thinking they were ok, but then they started to lose credibility really quickly when he was claiming things like HAV's were balanced in 1.7 .... or asking for buffs on flaylocks at the time that they were used as a main weapon... it should be taken as it is - just one player's personal opinion on video...
Having said that - balancing will ALWAYS be required, it's not we should stop balancing, it's that CCP should have a team dedicated to balancing and have enough resources to have another team create content... at the moment it's clear they cannot do both. If I had a choice, I'd go with content... especially PVE... that way if something was really game-breaking, you could take shelter in PVE the time they took to fix it...
Here is what gets me, there isn't a ton of content in this game, why would they even need a team to balance? One guy, spending one day a week could balance this game.
I really honestly and sincerely doubt that they even have one guy dedicated solely to balance, and if they do they need to fire his ass because his production is horrible.
Fixing swarms
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
86
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Posted - 2014.04.11 03:31:00 -
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Bumping this again.
End the crap, suck it up. HTFU. If this game is to get anywhere, it will have to involve the 'HTFU' attitude of EVE, which Dust lacks.
Complain less, contribute more. Let's get a patch soon that doesn't involve tweaks, nerfs, over buffing like they always do, instead a patch that adds something meaningful to the EVE universe, the one we're suppos |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
858
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Posted - 2014.04.14 14:12:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Akdhar Saif wrote:Balancing has always been a side-issue in EVE. Why can't it be the same for Dust. Introduce the new stuff alongside minor balancing tweaks. That is where you wrong. The majority of EVE "New Content" in the game right now came with the expansion "Apocrypha", and other expansions (Being Incursion and Inferno, but I very well could be wrong). The last three expansions, Retribution, Odyssey, and Rubicon, have been mostly balance, bug fix, and tweak expansions (Yes they have brought in new content, but nothing near like they did in Apocrypha). What is going on in EVE right now is that CCP was busy releasing new things, that they never fixed any of it, which they are now fixing. Dust has had a different pattern where they introduce things, then buff/nerf/buff/nerf, and the things introduced are mostly things like guns, suits, and maps. I would love to see an expansion OF the game scope, and balance everything [HOPEFULLY] once and for all.
Indeed, this would make a lot of sense and actually add content...well I know everyone appreciates actual content to fluffing out the list of things to skill into, QQ about, Nerf then Buff then Nerf again. For more interesting thoughts on the subject, check out the link in my signature, I hope this type of a fix would bring the game to some semblance of being what devs were hoping for when they started (Unreal Tournament style gameplay is last century already).
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