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Principus Shmoof Triariian
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:35:00 -
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Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture
I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says.
What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that.
HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it.
~Shmoof |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:48:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say.
I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun? |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:59:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman.
Fair point, I grant you that. But i've been gone since August... what more do we really have since then? Yeah some new maps, which are nice. Yeah, new guns, which are nice. Yeah, new suits, which are nice. But what about the EVE link? What about being a mercenary for the Capsuleers? What about affecting SOV, Planetary Interaction, Player Owned Stations, heck even Titans? What about that stuff, the stuff they promised? What about fighters? The Enforcers and Surya/Sagaris? Gunships? Infantry Fighting Vehicles? Hover bikes? Orbital Cannons (The ones that shot at the Moros in "A Future Vision" and the one that punched a hole through a Nyx in "Origins")? When can I say "Ok Fleet Commander, the ground station is taken, call a target", which at that point I am given a target in EVE, say a Revelation, to shoot at from the orbital cannon on the ground, and the thing is one shotted out of the sky? What about that stuff, the real depth that is missing? I want that stuff. I wanna burn a region's planets in EVE to the ground. The promise is there, but my point is, wasting Dev time on nerfs and buffs is taking a lot from what this game could be. Broken things should be fixed yes, but honestly, if it isn't really broken, why complain about it?
I just wanna effect EVE, I just wanna be a mercenary |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:10:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Pyrex is so full of sh-t and himself.
He has been serious about buffing flaylocks for forever, but now that it doesn't fit in with what he is saying, it was all a troll... yeah right. He is one of those internet dummies who instead of owning up to a wrong/bad opinion, claims troll.
Also, only now is he ok with balance, now that ADSes are damn near invincible in the skies, tanks are still broken, and scouts >>> all. The only reason he is ok with it is because those are his playstyles.
Just stop listening to that madman. Fair point, I grant you that. But i've been gone since August... what more do we really have since then? Yeah some new maps, which are nice. Yeah, new guns, which are nice. Yeah, new suits, which are nice. But what about the EVE link? What about being a mercenary for the Capsuleers? What about affecting SOV, Planetary Interaction, Player Owned Stations, heck even Titans? What about that stuff, the stuff they promised? What about fighters? The Enforcers and Surya/Sagaris? Gunships? Infantry Fighting Vehicles? Hover bikes? Orbital Cannons (The ones that shot at the Moros in "A Future Vision" and the one that punched a hole through a Nyx in "Origins")? When can I say "Ok Fleet Commander, the ground station is taken, call a target", which at that point I am given a target in EVE, say a Revelation, to shoot at from the orbital cannon on the ground, and the thing is one shotted out of the sky? What about that stuff, the real depth that is missing? I want that stuff. I wanna burn a region's planets in EVE to the ground. The promise is there, but my point is, wasting Dev time on nerfs and buffs is taking a lot from what this game could be. Broken things should be fixed yes, but honestly, if it isn't really broken, why complain about it? I just wanna effect EVE, I just wanna be a mercenary Considering that's still a pipe dream, we're asking for a working version of what seems to be the product offered.
Then again, what use is "THIS IS OP, NERF IT" to the same thing a month later "THIS THING IS BAD, BUFF IT", over and over again. The pieces are falling into place, but if ALL the Devs are doing is this nerfing and buffing, what real progress are we making? I'd rather have an OP Gun and the ability to be a massive pain in the butt to capsuleers than the same gun instead being nerfed, then buffed. |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say. I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun? I'd rather have a balanced and major bug free game. New stuff brings back old players for a short while after a patch until they get too annoyed by how unbalanced and buggy the game is but a balanced and major bug free game will keep them playing in between patches. Though with that said we need all the racial suits (commander and pilot suits), vehicles (Amarr and Minmatar DS's, Lav's & tanks, Mavs, L & H Aircraft, and weapons (AV, Heavy weapons, and turrets) to achieve that. Basically we need the base game and it needs to be balanced and major bug free before we worry about new stuff.
The problem is... it's not new
In fact, it was there before much of anything in Dust was here. Planetary interaction, the ability to colonize planets for resources, was supposed to go hand in hand with Dust. However, the Tyrannis expansion was a long time ago. I would love to finally have "A Future Vision" be "A almost here Vision". |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:22:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I stopped taking Pyrex seriously when he suggesting buffing the flaylock during its prime.
Also, if you were okay with TAR Callogis, I'm not quite sure what to say. I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun? I'd rather have a balanced and major bug free game. New stuff brings back old players for a short while after a patch until they get too annoyed by how unbalanced and buggy the game is but a balanced and major bug free game will keep them playing in between patches. Though with that said we need all the racial suits (commander and pilot suits), vehicles (Amarr and Minmatar DS's, Lav's & tanks, Mavs, L & H Aircraft, and weapons (AV, Heavy weapons, and turrets) to achieve that. Basically we need the base game and it needs to be balanced and major bug free before we worry about new stuff.
Though we keep trying that, but the thing is we aren't calling for balances, we're screaming "OP OP OP NERF NERF NERF" or the opposite "THIS IS BAD BUFF BUFF BUFF" in many cases. Every single time I visit the forums, I see this, with not nearly as much of calling for a milder version so things get balanced, not nerfed. What they should do is what they did with Railguns... they balanced them. However, if they went to the extreme like they often have done, Railguns would become really bad (to like they only had a 100m range, which would be underpowered and idiotic). But at the same time... if the new patches with new guns and suits isn't keeping the old players for more than a week, what will? Perhaps SOV interaction? Perhaps expanding PC? Bettering the link to EVE? Remember, EVE used to be SUPERRRRRRRRRRRRR buggy for a long time, yet it still grew in size. Maybe the link is what we need to expand the game |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:23:00 -
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KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:If you want to have some effect in Eve then go play Eve.
I do |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:27:00 -
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KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:If you want to have some effect in Eve then go play Eve. I do Then go play Eve instead of playing Dust because it will be a long time before Dust makes any kind of impact in Eve, if ever!
Why are you still here then? |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:28:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread
Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.
Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.
Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.
Much love
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:42:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment... When someone says that the cloak rewards good gameplay, they clearly have no idea about balance.
Then you missed the point of my post, I'll get in next time you log on :D |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:06:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:@OP
So you've barely been playing the game and you want to tell people to STFU about getting this game properly balanced?
I'm going to kindly suggest you f*ck off. I don't know what sort of clout or merit you think your opinion has on this topic, but i'll tell you, if you ain't been playing it's zero.
I'm highly disappointed in the forum community that no one has told you off before now. I would suggest you either get back to playing Dust before running your mouth about issues which you currently know nothing of, or find another game you don't play to comment on.
Gee thanks pal. I've been here for a long time, since two years ago, before Chromosome, and was also involved with PC. I've been gone from Dust, but when I get a break from school, I've played. I played for a month from December to January, and weeks here and there. I've kept up with patches, Fit of the Month, ect. As an HAV Pilot, I called for an HAV buff, and when I got it I did concede that it was too much of a buff (Don't you dare say I didn't Echo!). I'm not advocating we stop balancing the game. I'm saying stop it with the "NERF THIS BUFF THAT" that goes to the extremes, like HAVs, Flaylock/Massdriver, OP Logis. Which I have been there for. If it weren't for school, I would have stayed on Dust, but now I just watch from my SpaceShip in EVE. My corporation listed here, it's purpose is Planetary Interaction in EVE, but if they give me the chance, I plan on turning it into a Dust corporation to accomplish EVE side goals, you know, what the game was intended for? So if you want to discredit me and my 18+ Million SP, then you're out of place. I want the game balanced, that's what CCP HASN'T BEEN DOING too well, they've been NERFING and BUFFING things to extremes. Balance, EVE Link, progress, not "Nerfing this into oblivion" or "Buffing this way out of line".
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:11:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says. What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that. HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it. ~Shmoof *EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing. Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment... Or CCP could devote one team to balance and another team for development. There is no reason why addressing balance issues should hinder further development of the game. 
Now we're getting somewhere |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:17:00 -
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Akdhar Saif wrote:Balancing has always been a side-issue in EVE. Why can't it be the same for Dust. Introduce the new stuff alongside minor balancing tweaks.
That is where you wrong. The majority of EVE "New Content" in the game right now came with the expansion "Apocrypha", and other expansions (Being Incursion and Inferno, but I very well could be wrong). The last three expansions, Retribution, Odyssey, and Rubicon, have been mostly balance, bug fix, and tweak expansions (Yes they have brought in new content, but nothing near like they did in Apocrypha). What is going on in EVE right now is that CCP was busy releasing new things, that they never fixed any of it, which they are now fixing. Dust has had a different pattern where they introduce things, then buff/nerf/buff/nerf, and the things introduced are mostly things like guns, suits, and maps. I would love to see an expansion OF the game scope, and balance everything [HOPEFULLY] once and for all. |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:24:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:medomai grey wrote:Or CCP could devote one team to balance and another team for development. There is no reason why addressing balance issues should hinder further development of the game. Now we're getting somewhere We're already there. CCP Wolfman, Remnant, and company aren't doing things like making new maps. Meanwhile, the art department is not balancing weapons.
It be nice if the art department could design some new maps, structures, and environments for new things like Sov Interaction wouldn't it?
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Posted - 2014.04.11 03:31:00 -
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Bumping this again.
End the crap, suck it up. HTFU. If this game is to get anywhere, it will have to involve the 'HTFU' attitude of EVE, which Dust lacks.
Complain less, contribute more. Let's get a patch soon that doesn't involve tweaks, nerfs, over buffing like they always do, instead a patch that adds something meaningful to the EVE universe, the one we're suppos |
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