When someone says that the cloak rewards good gameplay, they clearly have no idea about balance.

Then you missed the point of my post, I'll get in next time you log on :D

I'd rather have half a dozen new maps honestly, or attacking Planetary Interaction colonies in EVE. Doesn't that sound fun?

@OP

So you've barely been playing the game and you want to tell people to STFU about getting this game properly balanced?

I'm going to kindly suggest you f*ck off. I don't know what sort of clout or merit you think your opinion has on this topic, but i'll tell you, if you ain't been playing it's zero.

I'm highly disappointed in the forum community that no one has told you off before now. I would suggest you either get back to playing Dust before running your mouth about issues which you currently know nothing of, or find another game you don't play to comment on.

Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread

Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.

Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.

Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.

Much love

Gee thanks pal. I've been here for a long time, since two years ago, before Chromosome, and was also involved with PC. I've been gone from Dust, but when I get a break from school, I've played. I played for a month from December to January, and weeks here and there. I've kept up with patches, Fit of the Month, ect. As an HAV Pilot, I called for an HAV buff, and when I got it I did concede that it was too much of a buff (Don't you dare say I didn't Echo!). I'm not advocating we stop balancing the game. I'm saying stop it with the "NERF THIS BUFF THAT" that goes to the extremes, like HAVs, Flaylock/Massdriver, OP Logis. Which I have been there for. If it weren't for school, I would have stayed on Dust, but now I just watch from my SpaceShip in EVE. My corporation listed here, it's purpose is Planetary Interaction in EVE, but if they give me the chance, I plan on turning it into a Dust corporation to accomplish EVE side goals, you know, what the game was intended for? So if you want to discredit me and my 18+ Million SP, then you're out of place. I want the game balanced, that's what CCP HASN'T BEEN DOING too well, they've been NERFING and BUFFING things to extremes. Balance, EVE Link, progress, not "Nerfing this into oblivion" or "Buffing this way out of line".

Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture

I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says.

What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that.

HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it.

~Shmoof

*EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing.

Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment...

Its not about tactical deployment of a product with skill sets and roadmaps, i am talking the general 'groupthink' of this community is to make forceful angry posts demanding nerfing/buffing of this and that.

I am talking about changing the demands we make on CCP to be less about 'change this and that' and make our guiding principle to be new content and the overall experience of this game as lets face it for some time it doesnt feel its been that way.

Or CCP could devote one team to balance and another team for development. There is no reason why addressing balance issues should hinder further development of the game.

Now we're getting somewhere

Balancing has always been a side-issue in EVE. Why can't it be the same for Dust. Introduce the new stuff alongside minor balancing tweaks.

We're already there.
CCP Wolfman, Remnant, and company aren't doing things like making new maps.
Meanwhile, the art department is not balancing weapons.

Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture

I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says.

What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that.

HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it.

~Shmoof

*EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing.

Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment...

The problem is... it's not new
In fact, it was there before much of anything in Dust was here. Planetary interaction, the ability to colonize planets for resources, was supposed to go hand in hand with Dust. However, the Tyrannis expansion was a long time ago. I would love to finally have "A Future Vision" be "A almost here Vision".

Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread

Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.

Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.

Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.

Much love

It's not about who made the video, it's about the intent behind the video's message

I stopped listening to Pyrex when he made 2 propaganda videos against my old alliance which were completely (and some parts ironically) false.

Hi, Im CEO Pyrex and I am loving this thread

Yes the flaylock buff has always been a troll, sorry for those who are new to 'eve culture' that didn't get it.

Love me or hate me, it doesnt matter, we all want this game to succeed and i fear the endless nerf buff culture is stalling new content and fun things / new player catching modes, items, game modes and concepts.

Frankly (and i do expect to be trolled for this) the future of Dust 514 is not about you, me or us, its got to be about the new players and how the game grows and expands.

Much love

Pyrex video about nerk/buff culture

I've been away from this game save a week here and there, and I have to agree with Pyrex. In the time I have been gone very little has been accomplished. Watch this video and consider what he says.

What we need is new content, enough with the "Nerf this/Buff that" whining. I want more vehicles, more weapons, more suits, more maps, more game modes (For the sake of all that is ISK get rid of the neutral maps). I want to raid regions of null sec PI for my EVE side alliance, I want an orbital cannon to shoot Capital Ships, I want to be part of SOV. I want new things, not buffing this and nerfing that.

HTFU guys, unlock the devs from having to spend time catering to whatever you're whining about. In a few weeks I will be making a return to this game, and I wanna see more out of it.

~Shmoof

*EDIT* Yes I know Pyrex is normally full of... never-mind. But I believe he has a point. I want to be effect EVE, burn colonies, shoot dreadnaughts on Infrastructure Hubs in Null Sec from an orbital cannon. That is the content we are missing.

Also Pyrex is my only real way to keep up with Dust at the moment...

Balancing has always been a side-issue in EVE. Why can't it be the same for Dust. Introduce the new stuff alongside minor balancing tweaks.

But what about the EVE link?

I think I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but as a mostly console FPS player who has never played Eve -- what about it?

Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to crap on the idea that further Dust/Eve integration is desirable, or that bridging two entirely different games is a great idea and should be pursued (it is, definitely) -- but I'm an FPS player, and when I first came across dust, I was looking for another FPS to play, and space-based one with cool gear and vehicles sounded right up my alley. I of course knew about the Eve side, but I didn't come to this game thinking anything other than, "Wow, this is a pretty cool idea, and a challenging game. I think I'll give it a go".

Personally, I find the idea that the way to fix Dust is to focus on Eve-side integration is terribly misguided, and a concept that should be utterly discarded. Dust is a shooter, and in that respect falls short on some basic game mechanics that shooters need to be considered successful. Dust needs to focus on being a better shooter before it focuses on any of that other (admittedly awesome) stuff. Mercs aren't quitting or false-starting this game because Eve-side stuff is not supported better; they are leaving because they are tired of balance issues and hit detection and my fraking assault forge gun not fraking firing when it's fraking supposed to.

I don't play Eve, and to a large extent, don't really care about it. I'll admit that I've become more interested in Eve politics and the meta game since I've been playing, but as something fun to talk about in squad -- it's the Dust merc version of watercooler talk. When I'm playing, I care about pwning mercs in quantity, and in the most colorful way as my abilities allow me to. That's about it.

Eve-side integration is a fine long-term goal, but should never, ever take away resources from making the best shooter possible.

My .02 isk.