DUST Search - Buff assault class.

Fox Gaden wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

The problem with the Assault is that the Commando and Assault both do the same thing by design. I was expecting the Assault to get the bonus to weapon damage and the Commando get 'something else.' However, the way it worked out, Commando got the bonus weapon damage and Assaults for 'something else.' One of them was going to get left out; just happened to be the Assaults.

Assaults don't need a buff. They need something they do that no one else does better. Logistics does equipment better than everyone else, Commando has the best versatility and damage, Scouts have the speed and stealth/cloak, and Sentinels have a huge amount of EHP that lets them take more punches than Rocky. Assaults just kind of kill people with Light Weapons (everyone does that), isn't as tanky as most other suits (I believe you can run a Scout that has about the same HP as an Assault, no?), isn't as fast as the Scout, doesn't do as much damage as the Commando, and has smaller PG/CPU and fewer slots than the Logistics suit. They are just kind of there and have fewer differences between Frame and Specialized Suit compared to the other 4 suit types.

You know when you put it like that, that guy's idea about adding built in armour repair (with the Gallente Assault stacking both bonuses) sounds like a decent idea. They would not be as tough as CommandoGÇÖs, but they could get back into the fight faster.

Edit: Actually Boot BooterGÇÖs second idea looks good too.

Boot Booter wrote:

Idea 2

Buff logi HP to the same as assaults. Give assaults another bonus.

Amarr +5 % to base armor per lvl
Caldari +3% to base shield
Gallente +0.5 hp/s armor rep per lvl
Minmatar - 3% to shield delay and depleted delay per lvl

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Charlotte O'Dell Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2314	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:18:00 - [31] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Before 1.8 when they were first talking about bonuses they mentioned 2% ROF per level. Why did they change it? SR doesn't benefit Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Myron Kundera The Generals General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:22:00 - [32] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: I hereby nominate op for worst idea ever. Terrible idea, beyond terrible. Assaults are the heavy assault cruisers of dust. That means good tank and damage with cruiser speed. 2 bonuses for prerequisite skill 2 bonuses for assault skill. Prerequisite skill would be tank bonuses assault skill would be damage/weapon bonuses We do something like this for all specialized secondary suits. We had 3 grenades on the grenade slot in 1.7 (don-¦t see much harm putting that back on just for assaults) and the PG/CPU reduction on grenades is not really that OP? is it? "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 577	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:25:00 - [33] - Quote Why is there even mention of buffing logis in this thread? They are fine (even still a little OP for their role). Assaults need a much higher innate regen and a better stamina regen and that's about it. My changes to the assault suit would be: - Higher sprint speed to be just below scouts (movement speed remains the same). - High stamina regen (better than scouts). - Roughly the same size stamina pool as logis (just a little bigger). - Higher buffs to regen modules as skills. Assaults are supposed to be skirmishers, for when the objectives change at a moments notice and the best way to represent this is to give them faster speed over short distances and a better regen to get them back in the fight quicker. Edit: Check out my thread on defining the word GÇ£assaultGÇ¥.
Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:32:00 - [34] - Quote [quote Cat Merc][qnice =Boot Booter]Idea 1 Logis need some help too. Buff logi HP to the same as assaults and change assault slot layout to the same as the logis. Obviously cpu/PG would have to be tweaked. Idea 2 Buff logi HP to the same as assaults. Give assaults another bonus. Amarr +5 % to base armor per lvl Caldari +3% to base shield Gallente +0.5 hp/s armor rep per lvl Minmatar - 3% to shield delay and depleted delay per lvl Adding an extra grenade is a pretty good idea but not sure if that will really help... Speaking from PC perspective. Adding 1 hp/s armor rep per lvl across all assaults benefits armor suits much more than shield suits. Minmatar assaults have 2 lows at pro... This 5 hp/s would be mostly wasted. [/quote] 5% to base armor per lvl vs 0.5hp/s per lvl? Are you serious? I hope you're joking, this is the worst trade ever.[/quote] I'm disappointed in you cat. You usually have something productive to say. Please do tell why that is the worst trade ever. Both give similar results of a basic module. The bonus to base armor results in a max of 75 HP at lvl 5 everything with no speed penalty. For Gallente you get 2.5 hp/s armor rep at lvl 5 plus the initial 2 hp/s putting you at a nice 4.5 with no modules. Maybe you read it wrong...
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1079	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:50:00 - [35] - Quote 1pawn dust wrote: caldari assault needs decent bonus, ROF bonus instead of reload, reload is a worthless bonus Hahaha foolish biped!
Tau Lai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:10:00 - [36] - Quote Assaults should assault, ergo do damage. More raw damage instead of PG/CPU reduction. I can see you Buy a tank Buy an assault dropship
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 301	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:24:00 - [37] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: I hereby nominate op for worst idea ever. Terrible idea, beyond terrible. Assaults are the heavy assault cruisers of dust. That means good tank and damage with cruiser speed. 2 bonuses for prerequisite skill 2 bonuses for assault skill. Prerequisite skill would be tank bonuses assault skill would be damage/weapon bonuses We do something like this for all specialized secondary suits. Commandos took the damage bonus
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1100	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:47:00 - [38] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The problem with the Assault is that the Commando and Assault both do the same thing by design. I was expecting the Assault to get the bonus to weapon damage and the Commando get 'something else.' However, the way it worked out, Commando got the bonus weapon damage and Assaults for 'something else.' One of them was going to get left out; just happened to be the Assaults. Assaults don't need a buff. They need something they do that no one else does better. Logistics does equipment better than everyone else, Commando has the best versatility and damage, Scouts have the speed and stealth/cloak, and Sentinels have a huge amount of EHP that lets them take more punches than Rocky. Assaults just kind of kill people with Light Weapons (everyone does that), isn't as tanky as most other suits (I believe you can run a Scout that has about the same HP as an Assault, no?), isn't as fast as the Scout, doesn't do as much damage as the Commando, and has smaller PG/CPU and fewer slots than the Logistics suit. They are just kind of there and have fewer differences between Frame and Specialized Suit compared to the other 4 suit types. You know when you put it like that, that guy's idea about adding built in armour repair (with the Gallente Assault stacking both bonuses) sounds like a decent idea. They would not be as tough as CommandoGÇÖs, but they could get back into the fight faster. Edit: Actually Boot BooterGÇÖs second idea looks good too. Boot Booter wrote: Idea 2 Buff logi HP to the same as assaults. Give assaults another bonus. Amarr +5 % to base armor per lvl Caldari +3% to base shield Gallente +0.5 hp/s armor rep per lvl Minmatar - 3% to shield delay and depleted delay per lvl More HP isn't a role or "I can do X better than anyone else." Something entirely new needs to be added to give Assaults that "thing" that gives them a purpose. Notice there were a lot of posts like "what is the point of the Scout?" pre-1.8 but almost none now? The reason is because the Cloak gave Scouts something that they can do better than anyone else and gave them a "thing." "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Paladin Sas Pro Hic Immortalis 332	Posted - 2014.04.10 02:08:00 - [39] - Quote dude, my caldari assault is already borderline OP, DO NOT BUFF IT
keno trader FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 7	Posted - 2014.04.10 02:47:00 - [40] - Quote Is this actually making a comeback? How about we journey back a little and consider when the gallente bricked mediums were pubstomping...no.



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