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Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 363	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:50:00 - [1] - Quote Why are we getting all this extra SP at the moment, The million clone event a few weeks back, making over 3 million, the sidearm showdown making another 75K, and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP, not complaining but, Thoughts anyone. Does this really keep people interested, at this rate the SP accumulated over 7 years would be close to 1/4 Billion, for what. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1199	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:53:00 - [2] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. Umm, what? Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
LudiKure ninda DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 83	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:54:00 - [3] - Quote Trying to get more players..? But with bugs and broken matcmaking... Solo player.. SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2437	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:56:00 - [4] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Why are we getting all this extra SP at the moment, The million clone event a few weeks back, making over 3 million, the sidearm showdown making another 75K, and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP, not complaining but, Thoughts anyone. So us vets stop curb stomping newberries until CCP figures out how to fix NPE, although good and easy solutions have been proposed and their big bother EVE figured it out. But its definitely not because they are gearing up, and buffing up, the player base for 05/14/14. For the Federation!
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 363	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:56:00 - [5] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. Umm, what? Apr 16-23 5X normal rate. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1199	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:57:00 - [6] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. Umm, what? Apr 16-23 5X normal rate. Where, what, how, source? I don't see anything about it. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 363	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:57:00 - [7] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: Trying to get more players..? But with bugs and broken matcmaking... Doesn't really benefit new players, doesn't really benefit vet players. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 363	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:58:00 - [8] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. Umm, what? Apr 16-23 5X normal rate. Where, what, how, source? I don't see anything about it. On their news panel when you start the game :) The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
jerrmy12 kahoalii 918	Posted - 2014.04.09 11:59:00 - [9] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. Umm, what? Apr 16-23 5X normal rate. Where, what, how, source? I don't see anything about it. WOHOO I found it! http://dust514.com/events/accelerated-sp-week-4/ Check in game news Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:00:00 - [10] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Why are we getting all this extra SP at the moment, The million clone event a few weeks back, making over 3 million, the sidearm showdown making another 75K, and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP, not complaining but, Thoughts anyone. Does this really keep people interested, at this rate the SP accumulated over 7 years would be close to 1/4 Billion, for what. Due to players cheating, they have decided to do a full reset. Signed, Sealed, Delivered

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 72	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:02:00 - [11] - Quote An exercise in Diminishing Returns, I suspect ... Primary roles maxed, subsequent SP disparity impacts outcomes by lesser degree. or example: An "A-Team" of 30M SP mercs has huge upperhand against a team of 15M SP mercs. An "A-Team" of 50M SP mercs has little upperhand against a team of 30M SP mercs. The SP events are leveling the competitive playing field, so to speak. Bang?
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2889	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:10:00 - [12] - Quote I think they finally figured out that the best way to keep a constant playerbase is to constantly reward them for trying out new things. This makes it so that we'll spend that new sp on the gear we just used, and then need more sp for upgrading it, which means playing even more dust and more events, and the cycle continues. Max sp you get from this event is 750k right? That's about as much as you need to proto a weapon (or sidearm), and also the amount that you need to get a suit to advanced (and the bonus for the event are suits that cost the advanced level suit to use, i.e. aur prototypes). Personally, I really enjoy theese events. They encourage actually playing the game and trying out everything it has to offer instead of just running the same thing over and over, or AFKing in the MCC. So yeah Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Donwalis Carbon 7 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:11:00 - [13] - Quote duh it's been 6 year , so a few of the vets have almost maxed out everything and the corps that have amassed millions and billion of isk. i think but don't quote me on this. from what i seen in 09 and the new ps4. CCP might be getting ready to open up new eden to us next build. some of us who were around back in closed beta seen the vid from fanfest 09 . and like myself have been upset pissed and quit came back left again. http://youtu.be/ED-YF-v7WCw this is the vision we 've seen hoping it come to life. the reason i think all this sp is being given is because they are really close to delivering this to us and to have most of us ready . this is just my thinking I wish CCP Rouge would give a tiny glimpse .
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 332	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:22:00 - [14] - Quote you're going to need it to spec into the next 'thing' when all your current things are useless
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7865	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:22:00 - [15] - Quote CCP said it has estimated it will take seven years to complete all currently available skill books you see now. But bare in mind that those are the skills we "currently" have available to train up. This is not including new skill books such as the recently added racial heavies and scouts as well as the new cloak. Then there are the pilot suits and remaining racial vehicles to consider. Let's also not forget the jet fighters we will get back that were pulled from testing during early beta. Then there is the resource gathering skills needed for jump starting industry. That will cause the time to max out everything to well beyond the first decade of the game even with SP events. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1175	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:22:00 - [16] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: Trying to get more players..? But with bugs and broken matcmaking... There is no matchmaking in Dust514. There never has been. There is a battle academy for New Berries. That is the closest we ever got. There is FW and PC. Those are not matchmaking solutions. Until it is is released and functional there will be no matchmaking in Dust514. And so it goes.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 465	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:33:00 - [17] - Quote To ensure that anyone who might hope to start playing in say , a month's time, is even further behind everyone else as possible. NPE ftw.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 333	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:34:00 - [18] - Quote Donwalis wrote: duh it's been 6 year Really? how time flys....... Seems like it was just over a year ago when we had the final full reset.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 363	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:56:00 - [19] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Donwalis wrote: duh it's been 6 year Really? how time flys....... Seems like it was just over a year ago when we had the final full reset. I don't even recall when I started this game, lol. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 31	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:36:00 - [20] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: LudiKure ninda wrote: Trying to get more players..? But with bugs and broken matcmaking... There is no matchmaking in Dust514. There never has been. There is a battle academy for New Berries. That is the closest we ever got. There is FW and PC. Those are not matchmaking solutions. Until it is is released and functional there will be no matchmaking in Dust514. I really do not know where your coming from or where you want to go with that comment. It has no purpose is a pure negative comment that has no evidence. Amarr Victor

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1263	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:38:00 - [21] - Quote They are doing another SP event because SP grind is the only reason to play this game and it convinces people to buy boosters which is how they make their money. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 519	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:44:00 - [22] - Quote Maybe this is there way to quell the infantry refund crowd . It might work for me if they keep this up . I don't like the oversaturation but I won't complain . I don't wonder I just except . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2031	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:44:00 - [23] - Quote I think they're doing so many big SP events to get people logging in and paying attention so that we can all get hyped when they reveal the development roadmap at fanfest.
TERMINALANCE 294	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:46:00 - [24] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP Because the game wont last 7 years.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1045	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:02:00 - [25] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Why are we getting all this extra SP at the moment, The million clone event a few weeks back, making over 3 million, the sidearm showdown making another 75K, and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP, not complaining but, Thoughts anyone. Does this really keep people interested, at this rate the SP accumulated over 7 years would be close to 1/4 Billion, for what. OH WOW, I CAN NOW GET A SCOUT WITH EVERYTHING I NEED Uprising 1.8 - Invisible War
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1045	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:05:00 - [26] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: I think they're doing so many big SP events to get people logging in and paying attention so that we can all get hyped when they reveal the development roadmap at fanfest. More SP Gëá Enjoyment. Just ask xprotoman23 who never stops playing FF14... Uprising 1.8 - Invisible War
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1942	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:10:00 - [27] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Why are we getting all this extra SP at the moment, The million clone event a few weeks back, making over 3 million, the sidearm showdown making another 75K, and next week the Accelerated SP week at 5 times normal rate. I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP, not complaining but, Thoughts anyone. Does this really keep people interested, at this rate the SP accumulated over 7 years would be close to 1/4 Billion, for what. I'm genuinely puzzled myself. Always though sp inflation of the existing playerbase was a bad thing, but obviously CCP doesn't share that view. If this was beta i would say it was for testing reasons, e.g. CCP wanted to guage the adoption rate of more expensive gear as higher-tier skills were unlocked, and was trying to measure how isk-restricted mercs are. But this isn't beta...unless it really still is. Smh, my lord, this situation is so fubared it makes me laugh/cry. Alternative is they're trying to get the player numbers up. It appears to be working according to the graphs. Ofc we have to factor out the account-churners(activity here has prolly gone up due to recent publicity) and the afkers(how many peeps are on Oceania, anyways?). If that's their motivation it's prolly related to wanting to have as big an active playerbase as possible when the fanfest build hits. Ahhh CCP Shanghai, your greatest lasting contribution to the FPS genre so far is how many skeptics and cynics you've bred :/ I support SP rollover.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7865	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:19:00 - [28] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP Because the game wont last 7 years. You're right. It won't last 7 years. It will last 20. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Mr Retsof VI Thale's Armament Company 90	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:21:00 - [29] - Quote 'carrot on a stick' loading us up with SP for whatever is coming on 5/14..... 2 days till Cpl Foster USMC comes off Forum Banishment. CCP better get ready.....
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1095	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:22:00 - [30] - Quote Events give a reason for players to do different things. Same reason why WoW has BrewFest: variety in gameplay. The problem is that the game is "just a FPS" and nothing else at the moment so they can't do events all that big yet. Perhaps when things get to be a bit bigger we will see events that are more in depth than "kill dudes with a Commando suit" or "kill dudes with a sidearm." "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson

Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 365	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:23:00 - [31] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: They are doing another SP event because SP grind is the only reason to play this game and it convinces people to buy boosters which is how they make their money. But the Omega one aren't there , well, not yet anyway. ! The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Donwalis Carbon 7 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:33:00 - [32] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: I seem to recall CCP saying at the start of this game it would take 7 years to spec into everything, So why are we getting given all this SP Because the game wont last 7 years. Ive been playing for just about 6 years so you are a hater
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 255	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:35:00 - [33] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Until it is is released and functional there will be no matchmaking in Dust514. Because matchmaking in a sandbox (with sandbox restricted to the notion of bringing/using any stuff you want) is a PITA to do, we'll probably never have a "proper" one. Number of skill points and war points don't matter, even your precious KDR doesn't matter as a metric to match against. Gear possesed? Nope. Maybe gear used in previous matches? More likely, but still won't stop protostomping (play enough matches with militia, get in a noobs only game, get your proto gear out - metric gamed ;)
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1942	Posted - 2014.04.09 15:23:00 - [34] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: KalOfTheRathi wrote: Until it is is released and functional there will be no matchmaking in Dust514. Because matchmaking in a sandbox (with sandbox restricted to the notion of bringing/using any stuff you want) is a PITA to do, we'll probably never have a "proper" one. Number of skill points and war points don't matter, even your precious KDR doesn't matter as a metric to match against. Gear possesed? Nope. Maybe gear used in previous matches? More likely, but still won't stop protostomping (play enough matches with militia, get in a noobs only game, get your proto gear out - metric gamed ;) The primary variable which saves us from all that theorizing and speculation is the end-of-match ranking for every match you've played. This ranking has to be weighted in each match by who you had with you and who you had against you, and updated with every match you play. We could incorporate win/loss info also, but that might be redundant if our primary variable was done right. ELO rankings in chess are somewhat like this but my inclination would be to use a Bayseian ranking/prediction system, which is what Halo did, i believe. But we could definitely write a better system than Halo's. For the matchmaker-writers i would say generate your list of candidate variables and their distributions, use maxent for unknown priors, and calculate mutual information against probability of a win. Rank the list by mutual information and you have your predictive variable candidates. That's prolly good enough to get good matches, but if needed much more can be done to predict matches. Minigame idea: When displaying the pre-match roster allow each player to predict the winning side(no wagering allowed) via a binary vote. Datamine these results for the better prophets in the playerbase as a way to vet your candidate variables . I support SP rollover.


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