DUST Search - Gearing up for Conquest - Artillery and Enforcer Tanks

Monkey MAC wrote:

Gearing Up for Conquest - Transport Vehicles:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154338
Gearing Up for Conquest - The MCC: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154106&find=unread

So I'll post the links in a Minute but so far we have been discussing some of the logistics of the 'conquest' matches.
These huge matches take place on massive 5 x 5 km maps with hundreds of players at a time.

We have already discussed larger MCCs with multiple staging areas, new logistical transport vehicles including huge globemasters carrying a whole skirmishes worth of players at a time.

So next is Artillery, artillery is a large part of warfare, NLOS weapon systems allow for long range support often to multiple theatres of war, so how do you think they should be done?

I believe Artillery Turrets should only be equipable by Enforcer Variant Tanks . Make Enforcers lighter tank but drastically improved speed, allows them to move to a new location and set up with ease, while the lower EHP means they won't work well in Combat Engagemens.

Artillery turrets provide a ballastics HUD that outlines the projectiles path and have a range of 1500-1800m. Artillery turrets however require time to 'set up' wether the barrel unfolds (minmatar?) or expands (caldari?) it requires a small delay to move between moving or shooting. This makes assaults on lone artillery valid and improves logistical play, (tank escort)

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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2441	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:04:00 - [1] - Quote Gearing Up for Conquest - The MCC:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154338 Gearing Up for Conquest - Transport Vehicles: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154106&find=unread So I'll post the links in a Minute but so far we have been discussing some of the logistics of the 'conquest' matches. These huge matches take place on massive 5 x 5 km maps with hundreds of players at a time. We have already discussed larger MCCs with multiple staging areas, new logistical transport vehicles including huge globemasters carrying a whole skirmishes worth of players at a time. So next is Artillery, artillery is a large part of warfare, NLOS weapon systems allow for long range support often to multiple theatres of war, so how do you think they should be done? I believe Artillery Turrets should only be equipable by Enforcer Variant Tanks . Make Enforcers lighter tank but drastically improved speed, allows them to move to a new location and set up with ease, while the lower EHP means they won't work well in Combat Engagemens. Artillery turrets provide a ballastics HUD that outlines the projectiles path and have a range of 1500-1800m. Artillery turrets however require time to 'set up' wether the barrel unfolds (minmatar?) or expands (caldari?) it requires a small delay to move between moving or shooting. This makes assaults on lone artillery valid and improves logistical play, (tank escort) Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1816	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:08:00 - [2] - Quote Dammit, stop depressing me with cool vaporware sht man! Damn CCP for going the totally wrong route to be able to easily bring us this sht. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4707	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:09:00 - [3] - Quote Remember the concept of destroyer HAVs as well- they were intended to have better (steeper) tracking for being able to take down dropships. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3430	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:10:00 - [4] - Quote Artillery (and their smaller, faster firing cousin, the autocannon) are the domain of Minmatar weaponry in New Eden. They possess long range, though not typically as long as a railgun, but do more damage with a much, much slower rate of fire and tracking speed. You will likely see these attached to Minmatar tanks in the future in the same way that Caldari have rails and missiles.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 440	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:12:00 - [5] - Quote Gallente artillery tanks = targeted drone strikes. Amarr artillery tanks = sweeping drone lasers Minmatar artillery tanks = conventional artillery cannons. Caldari artillery tanks = Long range missile strikes.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3430	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:14:00 - [6] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Gallente artillery tanks = targeted drone strikes. Amarr artillery tanks = sweeping drone lasers Minmatar artillery tanks = conventional artillery cannons. Caldari artillery tanks = Long range missile strikes. If you were looking for a special artillery "function" and not simply an aesthetic, you have warbarge strikes already. This would be redundant and put too much stress on the playerbase due to uncontrollable deaths.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 440	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:15:00 - [7] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Gallente artillery tanks = targeted drone strikes. Amarr artillery tanks = sweeping drone lasers Minmatar artillery tanks = conventional artillery cannons. Caldari artillery tanks = Long range missile strikes. If you were looking for a special artillery "function" and not simply an aesthetic, you have warbarge/orbital strikes already. This would be redundant and put too much stress on the playerbase due to uncontrollable deaths. They'd still have travel times (especially important for the drones), and they'd be very, very vulnerable to other tanks or dropships at close range.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2441	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:17:00 - [8] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Gallente artillery tanks = targeted drone strikes. Amarr artillery tanks = sweeping drone lasers Minmatar artillery tanks = conventional artillery cannons. Caldari artillery tanks = Long range missile strikes. Sounds pretty cool, I had more conventional lobbed projectiles in mind, kinda like a giant plasma cannon for the gallante. Photon Bombs for the Amarr and Gauss(esque) cannons for caldari, with the minmatar having some HROF variant of conventional artillery. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3430	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:17:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Gallente artillery tanks = targeted drone strikes. Amarr artillery tanks = sweeping drone lasers Minmatar artillery tanks = conventional artillery cannons. Caldari artillery tanks = Long range missile strikes. If you were looking for a special artillery "function" and not simply an aesthetic, you have warbarge/orbital strikes already. This would be redundant and put too much stress on the playerbase due to uncontrollable deaths. They'd still have travel times (especially important for the drones), and they'd be very, very vulnerable to other tanks or dropships at close range. Except that you would never be able to do anything about them once you're tank capped, and in a serious match one team always is.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9343	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:18:00 - [10] - Quote Can we Amarr not launch flayer mines from our artillery pieces. Slice n'Dice those rebels up! "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 443	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:19:00 - [11] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Gallente artillery tanks = targeted drone strikes. Amarr artillery tanks = sweeping drone lasers Minmatar artillery tanks = conventional artillery cannons. Caldari artillery tanks = Long range missile strikes. If you were looking for a special artillery "function" and not simply an aesthetic, you have warbarge/orbital strikes already. This would be redundant and put too much stress on the playerbase due to uncontrollable deaths. They'd still have travel times (especially important for the drones), and they'd be very, very vulnerable to other tanks or dropships at close range. Except that you would never be able to do anything about them once you're tank capped, and in a serious match one team always is. Artillery weapon's aren't exactly great at killing scouts strapping RE's to them, or the commando's pegging them with missiles / plasma cannons at short range.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2442	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:20:00 - [12] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Artillery (and their smaller, faster firing cousin, the autocannon) are the domain of Minmatar weaponry in New Eden. They possess long range, though not typically as long as a railgun, but do more damage with a much, much slower rate of fire and tracking speed. You will likely see these attached to Minmatar tanks in the future in the same way that Caldari have rails and missiles. Why? You are on massive 5x5km maps and your going to have artillery with 250m range? Artillery is completely different, its non line of sight it offers completly different advantages to a rail gun. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3430	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:20:00 - [13] - Quote We had python mines in EVE, once upon a time. Those were fun.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2442	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:22:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Can we Amarr not launch flayer mines from our artillery pieces. Slice n'Dice those rebels up! Flayer Mines? Please enlighten me, would they stay dormant or would they effectively be projectiles that have wider AOE but limited height? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3430	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:22:00 - [15] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Artillery (and their smaller, faster firing cousin, the autocannon) are the domain of Minmatar weaponry in New Eden. They possess long range, though not typically as long as a railgun, but do more damage with a much, much slower rate of fire and tracking speed. You will likely see these attached to Minmatar tanks in the future in the same way that Caldari have rails and missiles. Why? You are on massive 5x5km maps and your going to have artillery with 250m range? Artillery is completely different, its non line of sight it offers completly different advantages to a rail gun. You are NOT on 5x5km maps. The day the redline disappears you can make that claim, not before. Had you ever ventured out on a glitch run outside of the redline you would know just how buggy and broken the geometry actually is, and how full of hot air CCP's claims are. The buildings in the background aren't even real, you can walk right through them.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9344	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:25:00 - [16] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Can we Amarr not launch flayer mines from our artillery pieces. Slice n'Dice those rebels up! Flayer Mines? Please enlighten me, would they stay dormant or would they effectively be projectiles that have wider AOE but limited height? These are bouncing betty mines that explode whipping nano filament wires around in a terrible series of arcs....essentially flaying the skin from anyone hit by them...and reducing them to lumps of meat. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2442	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:26:00 - [17] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Artillery (and their smaller, faster firing cousin, the autocannon) are the domain of Minmatar weaponry in New Eden. They possess long range, though not typically as long as a railgun, but do more damage with a much, much slower rate of fire and tracking speed. You will likely see these attached to Minmatar tanks in the future in the same way that Caldari have rails and missiles. Why? You are on massive 5x5km maps and your going to have artillery with 250m range? Artillery is completely different, its non line of sight it offers completly different advantages to a rail gun. You are NOT on 5x5km maps. The day the redline disappears you can make that claim, not before. Had you ever ventured out on a glitch run outside of the redline you would know just how buggy and broken the geometry actually is, and how full of hot air CCP's claims are. The buildings in the background aren't even real, you can walk right through them. Thats because currently we don't have the matches we are discussing the logistics for, if you had actually been arsed to read the damn title or even the first paragraph you would see we are discussing stuff that probably isn't going to exsist for a long while. Now get the **** out my damn thread! Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 771	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:27:00 - [18] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Gearing Up for Conquest - Transport Vehicles:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154338 Gearing Up for Conquest - The MCC: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154106&find=unread So I'll post the links in a Minute but so far we have been discussing some of the logistics of the 'conquest' matches. These huge matches take place on massive 5 x 5 km maps with hundreds of players at a time. We have already discussed larger MCCs with multiple staging areas, new logistical transport vehicles including huge globemasters carrying a whole skirmishes worth of players at a time. So next is Artillery, artillery is a large part of warfare, NLOS weapon systems allow for long range support often to multiple theatres of war, so how do you think they should be done? I believe Artillery Turrets should only be equipable by Enforcer Variant Tanks . Make Enforcers lighter tank but drastically improved speed, allows them to move to a new location and set up with ease, while the lower EHP means they won't work well in Combat Engagemens. Artillery turrets provide a ballastics HUD that outlines the projectiles path and have a range of 1500-1800m. Artillery turrets however require time to 'set up' wether the barrel unfolds (minmatar?) or expands (caldari?) it requires a small delay to move between moving or shooting. This makes assaults on lone artillery valid and improves logistical play, (tank escort) If I didn't have "tank balance" on the mind, I could certainly expand upon this. BUT, fuckin right on man. Conquest mode would be EPIC. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2442	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:28:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Can we Amarr not launch flayer mines from our artillery pieces. Slice n'Dice those rebels up! Flayer Mines? Please enlighten me, would they stay dormant or would they effectively be projectiles that have wider AOE but limited height? These are bouncing betty mines that explode whipping nano filament wires around in a terrible series of arcs....essentially flaying the skin from anyone hit by them...and reducing them to lumps of meat. Interseting Although it sounds a little OP if your firing a decent number of these DIRECTLY at enemy players! Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 445	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Can we Amarr not launch flayer mines from our artillery pieces. Slice n'Dice those rebels up! Flayer Mines? Please enlighten me, would they stay dormant or would they effectively be projectiles that have wider AOE but limited height? These are bouncing betty mines that explode whipping nano filament wires around in a terrible series of arcs....essentially flaying the skin from anyone hit by them...and reducing them to lumps of meat. Interseting Although it sounds a little OP if your firing a decent number of these DIRECTLY at enemy players! Indirect fire, they're lobbed out and either hit the ground dormant making a proximity anti-infantry minefield, or they exploding into their whirling deathiness on the way down.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9349	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:33:00 - [21] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Can we Amarr not launch flayer mines from our artillery pieces. Slice n'Dice those rebels up! Flayer Mines? Please enlighten me, would they stay dormant or would they effectively be projectiles that have wider AOE but limited height? These are bouncing betty mines that explode whipping nano filament wires around in a terrible series of arcs....essentially flaying the skin from anyone hit by them...and reducing them to lumps of meat. Interseting Although it sounds a little OP if your firing a decent number of these DIRECTLY at enemy players! Indirect fire, they're lobbed out and either hit the ground dormant making a proximity anti-infantry minefield, or they exploding into their whirling deathiness on the way down. In the same way Tyranid spores can be lobbed through those bio artillery creatures....mines that explode above the ground. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2442	Posted - 2014.04.08 23:34:00 - [22] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Can we Amarr not launch flayer mines from our artillery pieces. Slice n'Dice those rebels up! Flayer Mines? Please enlighten me, would they stay dormant or would they effectively be projectiles that have wider AOE but limited height? These are bouncing betty mines that explode whipping nano filament wires around in a terrible series of arcs....essentially flaying the skin from anyone hit by them...and reducing them to lumps of meat. Interseting Although it sounds a little OP if your firing a decent number of these DIRECTLY at enemy players! Indirect fire, they're lobbed out and either hit the ground dormant making a proximity anti-infantry minefield, or they exploding into their whirling deathiness on the way down. I would say the majority of the time they would do the latter, however the option to effectively create a minefield with artillery would be very interesting. Also it would make Amarr artillery unique in that its infantry focused/only . Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2448	Posted - 2014.04.09 09:50:00 - [23] - Quote Ok so we have that Gallante use Plasma Charges, akin to a plasma cannon Minmatar use Space Versions of conventional artillery. Caldari use vehicle centric cruise missiles And the Amarrians use Infantry centric flayer rounds. Should each race only have 1 artillery turret each? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.04.09 10:45:00 - [24] - Quote No, let there be drone 'turrets' too, that do stuff.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2448	Posted - 2014.04.09 10:54:00 - [25] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: No, let there be drone 'turrets' too, that do stuff. 'Drone' turrets? How will they be implemented? Something like this? http://endwar.wikia.com/wiki/LV-20_Charlemagne Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.


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