DUST Search - How would you want the other racial knives to work?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Cotsy8 wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

I think the concept of racial knives is pointless. A knife is a knife; having 3 other ones that do basically the same thing (kill people at melee range) is redundant. At least the "Assault Rifles" all act completely different and have better ranges for them to operate at.

"Minmatar suit getting bonus to a Caldari weapon" fits Minmatar ideal of "we are going to use whatever we can because we must not lose." Making projectile weapons is a lot easier than a laser, plasma, or rail weapon. Why make a knife when someone else already has?

A knife is a knife is ******* stupid. Many militaries currently use a variety of knifes, some use long some use combat. Knifes have a very useful and tactical role throughout history. Whether it be adding it to the end of a weapon in the trenches, or using the knife to cut through thick jungle, or having a knife for thrusting or swiping. Knifes are very very different between countries, if you spent ten minutes and looked into it before you opened your ******* mouth maybe you wouldn't sound so stupid.

Now as we see this game is a futuristic game with plasma and energy and other "advanced tech" wouldn't you think the differences seen currently in military technology could result in different races carrying different knife In the future?!

Someone is cranky today.

Yes, different styles of knives are used across the world and serve a different purpose. However, how would a "kukri" differ from a "Ka-Bar" in game? You don't use it to cut rope, dig a hole, or as an eating utensil; it exists to kill people in melee range. Give Amarr a power glove puncher and it still kills people at melee range. It is just a reskinned weapon with a different tree.

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Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1633	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote From what I see in concept art, the racial knifes look pretty much the same. I've heard that the melee function was originally combined with the nova knife, so I guess that's why they look that way. If we were to still get racial knives, how would you want the Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar versions to work? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1500	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:11:00 - [2] - Quote Lightsabers The Sinwarden
Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 17	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:17:00 - [3] - Quote Minmatar should have a Kukri style knives. Fits with their guerrilla style tactics. -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1497	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:22:00 - [4] - Quote Minmatar should get a melee weapon with no special features but has a good damage per hit. Give the gallente the nova knives but with reduced damage per swing and a higher charged damage. Caldari should get a stun baton that have say 2x the range of nova knives, swing faster, and stun the enemy (reduced movement/turn speed) but have a much lower dps when compared to the other melee weapons. Not sure about amarr.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1080	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:23:00 - [5] - Quote I think the concept of racial knives is pointless. A knife is a knife; having 3 other ones that do basically the same thing (kill people at melee range) is redundant. At least the "Assault Rifles" all act completely different and have better ranges for them to operate at. "Minmatar suit getting bonus to a Caldari weapon" fits Minmatar ideal of "we are going to use whatever we can because we must not lose." Making projectile weapons is a lot easier than a laser, plasma, or rail weapon. Why make a knife when someone else already has? "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 446	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: From what I see in concept art, the racial knifes look pretty much the same. I've heard that the melee function was originally combined with the nova knife, so I guess that's why they look that way. If we were to still get racial knives, how would you want the Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar versions to work? I would want there to be an option for the Minmatar to wield a Khumaak! https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak_%28lore%29 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak_%28Chronicle%29
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 254	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:52:00 - [7] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: From what I see in concept art, the racial knifes look pretty much the same. I've heard that the melee function was originally combined with the nova knife, so I guess that's why they look that way. If we were to still get racial knives, how would you want the Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar versions to work? Min NK - very low PG, added speed Amarr NK - 2x to back stabs, added damage to medium frames Cal NK - current bonus to charged attack Gal NK - added Dampener effect when equipped, added dam to heavy frames.
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 601	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:57:00 - [8] - Quote Minmatar should have a silent chainsaw! My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 254	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:57:00 - [9] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I think the concept of racial knives is pointless. A knife is a knife; having 3 other ones that do basically the same thing (kill people at melee range) is redundant. At least the "Assault Rifles" all act completely different and have better ranges for them to operate at. "Minmatar suit getting bonus to a Caldari weapon" fits Minmatar ideal of "we are going to use whatever we can because we must not lose." Making projectile weapons is a lot easier than a laser, plasma, or rail weapon. Why make a knife when someone else already has? A knife is a knife is ***** stupid. Many militaries currently use a variety of knifes, some use long some use combat. Knifes have a very useful and tactical role throughout history. Whether it be adding it to the end of a weapon in the trenches, or using the knife to cut through thick jungle, or having a knife for thrusting or swiping. Knifes are very very different between countries, if you spent ten minutes and looked into it before you opened your ***** mouth maybe you wouldn't sound so stupid. Now as we see this game is a futuristic game with plasma and energy and other "advanced tech" wouldn't you think the differences seen currently in military technology could result in different races carrying different knife In the future?!
Eric Del Carlo Inner.Hell 123	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:03:00 - [10] - Quote I'd want my Gallente Knife to be a large bowie hunting knife. It would be slightly slower than the caldari knives to attack, but has devastating damage. It would look something like this, but it would need a more futuristic style of course. For how fast knives for each race would strike, I'd imagine it to be like this: Amarr = slowest Gallente = slower Caldari = average Minmatar = fast P.S. we really need a lunge effect for each knives GÖà One of the original scout bastards GÖà

Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1107	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:06:00 - [11] - Quote I'd like each set of knives to have a different animation for use. Caldari can keep the slash an stab, with charge function Galente can have a quicker but less damaging attack, with spool up plasma attack. Amarr can have a slower but powerful attack, with overheat mechanic (and perhaps a double handed overhead attack - sacrificial dagger ) Minmatar is a bit trickier. CCP gave pictures of the knives and the Min looks like a Scottish Dirk which is a little underwhelming in close quaters but a good stabbing blade. Plus I really wouldn't want ballistic / explosive knives as its a little cheesy. Maybe it could distinguish itself for being the quickest animation with multiple hits. Something which is more down to the users skill rather than a technological marvel. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 451	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:12:00 - [12] - Quote Seriously, you guys are really missing the point... Minmatar is about moving around faster but using lots of strength and bigger guns to do the damage. In that case, while the dropsuit for a Minmatar scout should be faster in running, the weapon it wields should be the largest and most damaging of the mix. That and there is already sooo much lore in the universe for this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2036070#post2036070
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1082	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I think the concept of racial knives is pointless. A knife is a knife; having 3 other ones that do basically the same thing (kill people at melee range) is redundant. At least the "Assault Rifles" all act completely different and have better ranges for them to operate at. "Minmatar suit getting bonus to a Caldari weapon" fits Minmatar ideal of "we are going to use whatever we can because we must not lose." Making projectile weapons is a lot easier than a laser, plasma, or rail weapon. Why make a knife when someone else already has? A knife is a knife is ***** stupid. Many militaries currently use a variety of knifes, some use long some use combat. Knifes have a very useful and tactical role throughout history. Whether it be adding it to the end of a weapon in the trenches, or using the knife to cut through thick jungle, or having a knife for thrusting or swiping. Knifes are very very different between countries, if you spent ten minutes and looked into it before you opened your ***** mouth maybe you wouldn't sound so stupid. Now as we see this game is a futuristic game with plasma and energy and other "advanced tech" wouldn't you think the differences seen currently in military technology could result in different races carrying different knife In the future?! Someone is cranky today. Yes, different styles of knives are used across the world and serve a different purpose. However, how would a "kukri" differ from a "Ka-Bar" in game? You don't use it to cut rope, dig a hole, or as an eating utensil; it exists to kill people in melee range. Give Amarr a power glove puncher and it still kills people at melee range. It is just a reskinned weapon with a different tree. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1633	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:18:00 - [14] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I think the concept of racial knives is pointless. A knife is a knife; having 3 other ones that do basically the same thing (kill people at melee range) is redundant. At least the "Assault Rifles" all act completely different and have better ranges for them to operate at. "Minmatar suit getting bonus to a Caldari weapon" fits Minmatar ideal of "we are going to use whatever we can because we must not lose." Making projectile weapons is a lot easier than a laser, plasma, or rail weapon. Why make a knife when someone else already has? Kinda agree. That's why I care more for non-knife melee weapons. I didn't mention this because there's no true word on whether or not will get other type of melee weapons, let alone knives. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Yan Darn Science For Death 538	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:26:00 - [15] - Quote All I know is that they shouldn't all need to charge (only fits Caldari and Amarr). And one should be AV (I don't mean like the flaylock - I mean actually useful). Maybe a flux type weapon. Maybe even one that only works when shields are down. The Ghost of Bravo
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 550	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:27:00 - [16] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: From what I see in concept art, the racial knifes look pretty much the same. I've heard that the melee function was originally combined with the nova knife, so I guess that's why they look that way. If we were to still get racial knives, how would you want the Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar versions to work? Amarr- Blade with the ability to generate flash-bang effects. Flash-bang effect will effect enemies, allies, and the user. Has a long cool down of 5 minutes. Gallente- High damage plasma blade with a percent chance to leave behind super heated fragments that cause damage over time. Minmatar- Ballistic knife, with a blade that functions as a timed pipe bomb. Extremely low ammo count of 3. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 823	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:29:00 - [17] - Quote I want an Amarr laser knife that cleaves people in half. Also, cuts through walls and cauterizes wounds. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
NEO Arbiter Red Hand Syndicate 103	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:34:00 - [18] - Quote Minmatar should get a prison shank Maybe a filed down toothbrush with some grip tape! Tears4Life
Spirax Sarco Swiss Bank of New Eden 23	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:37:00 - [19] - Quote I would just like them to WORK....PERIOD C.R.E.A.M.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 89	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:39:00 - [20] - Quote Gallente needs a Broadsword or greatsword with Stun capabilities >.> (Really want a large sword for my heavy xD ) G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Gallente Heavy

Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 453	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:44:00 - [21] - Quote NEO Arbiter wrote: Minmatar should get a prison shank Maybe a filed down toothbrush with some grip tape! Seriously? Do you guys not read? I just posted the history of how a Minmatar slave took the religious scepter of office out of the ruling cast Amarrian's hands and beat him to death with it and sparked the uprising that eventually set all the Minmatar race free from the Amarr... And you talk about f u cking prison shanks... You, sir, are just plain dumb. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak_%28lore%29 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak_%28Chronicle%29
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 550	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:00:00 - [22] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: NEO Arbiter wrote: Minmatar should get a prison shank Maybe a filed down toothbrush with some grip tape! Seriously? Do you guys not read? I just posted the history of how a Minmatar slave took the religious scepter of office out of the ruling cast Amarrian's hands and beat him to death with it and sparked the uprising that eventually set all the Minmatar race free from the Amarr... And you talk about f u cking prison shanks... You, sir, are just plain dumb. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak_%28lore%29 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak_%28Chronicle%29 Except many Minmatar wanted to stay with the Amarr and were forced into freedom against their wills. The Minmatar even purposely left many other Minmatar behind due to racism against other ethnicities of Minmatar. A significant chunk of the Minmatar race are loyal to the Amarr and are called Ammatar. During the Minmatar invasion of Amarr space, the Empress almost wiped out all of the Matar Elder fleet. So... "Do you guys not read?" I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1047	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:05:00 - [23] - Quote Amarr sidearm knives would be longer ranged, slower swing, and would deal immense (albeit less than caldari charged) damage. Minmatar would be swingable while running and would do full damage without charge.(compared to current novas, would do 45% of a charge slice) Gallente would be swingable while cloaked, or would deal an additional damage boost when hitting behind an enemy(3x dmg to back) Sometimes ya just feel like surfin
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 349	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:06:00 - [24] - Quote Spirax Sarco wrote: I would just like them to WORK....PERIOD ^ Minmatar should have a dash-stab attack. Bloody charged knives when sprinting please. (no I didn't read the detailed posts about lore, sorry). But - I'm with the guy I quoted when all is said and done. May thy knife chip and shatter. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2749	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:25:00 - [25] - Quote Amarr get power gloves Minmatar get an axe Gallente should really get the knives Caldari can have like a stun baton, keeping to their style of militaristic efficiency. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2216	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:45:00 - [26] - Quote Caldari: Breach, use rails, and charge. They use the charge mechanics for their Knives. Gallente: Assault, use Plasma, Excel at close range and depend on speed over damage. Their Knives could do medium damage, and have faster slashes while maintaining their movement speed. Amarr: Tactical, use scramblers, hit hard and hope for the best. They could have a single knife that hits hard and does massive damage, but is slow to swing and can't do combos. Bonus for heads. Minmatar: Burst, use mediocre tech but make it work, they're weapons aren't the strongest, but they're the fastest. Their Knives would do minimal damage, but super fast combos that allow you to use your suit's speed, and knife bonus. Auto Knives lol pulling Dante Smoking Hot Combo. That's what I'm thinking.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 257	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:49:00 - [27] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I think the concept of racial knives is pointless. A knife is a knife; having 3 other ones that do basically the same thing (kill people at melee range) is redundant. At least the "Assault Rifles" all act completely different and have better ranges for them to operate at. "Minmatar suit getting bonus to a Caldari weapon" fits Minmatar ideal of "we are going to use whatever we can because we must not lose." Making projectile weapons is a lot easier than a laser, plasma, or rail weapon. Why make a knife when someone else already has? A knife is a knife is ***** stupid. Many militaries currently use a variety of knifes, some use long some use combat. Knifes have a very useful and tactical role throughout history. Whether it be adding it to the end of a weapon in the trenches, or using the knife to cut through thick jungle, or having a knife for thrusting or swiping. Knifes are very very different between countries, if you spent ten minutes and looked into it before you opened your *** mouth maybe you wouldn't sound so stupid. Now as we see this game is a futuristic game with plasma and energy and other "advanced tech" wouldn't you think the differences seen currently in military technology could result in different races carrying different knife In the future?! Someone is cranky today. Yes, different styles of knives are used across the world and serve a different purpose. However, how would a "kukri" differ from a "Ka-Bar" in game? You don't use it to cut rope, dig a hole, or as an eating utensil; it exists to kill people in melee range. Give Amarr a power glove puncher and it still kills people at melee range. It is just a reskinned weapon with a different tree. I don't even know what the that lore or EVE is. I could care less what they are called, or how they are used in lore. Adding race weapons only makes sense to dust current model. Its a video game, make that ** up. The point is that knifes are different, you can argue knifes kill people in melee range when by your logic guns kill people in gun range. But there are variant of guns, knifes, nades, land mines, etc etc etc. why not make those differences based on racial lines for dust video game, fictional, purposes. Sure, if you want to give Amarr a Halo type knife with slightly more range, its fine. Whatever. The point is you can't argue that knifes are knifes when clearly different militaries use different knifes. I can only assume this fictional game would do the same, have knifes based on race, especially since everything else is. I cannot see how racial NK are a bad idea. So just like when you go to the movies, why not suspend your belief.
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 169	Posted - 2014.04.08 21:01:00 - [28] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'd like each set of knives to have a different animation for use. Caldari can keep the slash an stab, with charge function Galente can have a quicker but less damaging attack, with spool up plasma attack. Amarr can have a slower but powerful attack, with overheat mechanic (and perhaps a double handed overhead attack - sacrificial dagger ) Minmatar is a bit trickier. CCP gave pictures of the knives and the Min looks like a Scottish Dirk which is a little underwhelming in close quaters but a good stabbing blade. Plus I really wouldn't want ballistic / explosive knives as its a little cheesy. Maybe it could distinguish itself for being the quickest animation with multiple hits. Something which is more down to the users skill rather than a technological marvel. The minmatar knife looks a little bit like riddick's knives in 'chronicles of riddick'. The serrated edge. And the Amarr knife looks like a smaller version of Lion'O's sword - the 'sword of omens'. Oh man, what are you doing to me with this thread! What was I actually going to say? Oh yeah, when all the knives are released, all the scouts suits should get bonuses to their respective racial knives. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3817	Posted - 2014.04.08 21:04:00 - [29] - Quote I don't care whose it is, so long as we get an AV blade. I want to carve tankers out of their metal husks. No.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 797	Posted - 2014.04.08 21:35:00 - [30] - Quote Spirax Sarco wrote: I would just like them to WORK....PERIOD They work pretty well. Where you been? Flanked 8 guys in an ambush a couple days ago, got an 8 man knife streak in 15 seconds. Never seen such a sexy kill-feed. // Fully Specced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guard Director //



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