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Ge0rge W Bush
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:02:00 -
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So after I friend talked me into trying dust I played this weekend.
First ACADAMY was fun I loved it.
Then I started to play the other game modes.
Got stomped in factional warfare buy a corp ancient somthing.
Then I tryed the other game modes I could not move before I got killed.
Where am I sopose to learn about this game ?
So dust is uninstalled and I caled my friend telling him this is a crapy game.
C U not |
dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2699
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:05:00 -
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So you tired nothing and quit?
Should have asked your friend for a recommendation to a corp. Player run corps provide the instruction for rookies.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
714
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:09:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:So you tired nothing and quit?
Should have asked your friend for a recommendation to a corp. Player run corps provide the instruction for rookies.
He should've joined Dust University, but hey we don't really know if CCP can save this game at fanfest anyways so he may come back when the game has a decent tutorial or may never need to if Dust flops.
Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
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Deltahawk Durango
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
187
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:27:00 -
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at least he didn't biomass... i personally know 10 ppl collecting passive SP on an uninstalled game so my hope is CCP can improve the NPE with pve and keep improving the game so it has a life after Destiny...
see ya next winter mr. president 
I don't believe in an eye for an eye...
I believe in two eyes for an eye!
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Requin Toblat
Glitched Connection
21
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:29:00 -
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This unfortunately is all too common an experience for new players. Even if they join a corp like DUST University or the like, the minute they leave the academy matches they are canon fodder for a month or two at least, if they can stick it out that long, being killed almost instantly they spawn, finishing a public or FW match 1/10 for months, is not fun!
The new player experience is to be honest abysmal. The game will slowly die (If it isn't already - Hope not, but ?), if new players start the game and get totally disheartened with it after leaving the academy, the retention rate of new players will drop.
As some Vets leave, either to take a break from the game or to play new games that have come out, there are still enough high SP players knocking around to make New players say WTF is this s**t! The problem is that the Vets that leave are not being replaced by new players fast enough as far as I can tell. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1695
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:34:00 -
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judging by his spelling, he's either 6 or a lol alt trying not to look like a lol alt.
"I speak for the trees!"
Ko6 scout,
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dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2700
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:57:00 -
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In our corp we take rookies into fights all the time. Encourage them to participate on comms with a squad and they can taste a few wins. Provide some insight into skills WTF, and gear. Have vets drop tanks or dropships to let them try out.
Encourage rookies to participate and they will stick around.
Rookies who never link up with other players, never join a corp, and are never on comms, are food.
Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2793
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Posted - 2014.04.07 13:12:00 -
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All this should have done are crap answers end of.
I player quit the game thus dust failed
the in game experince must be 100% good enough to engange and retain the player anything less its the games fault not the players.
World of warcraft still is the best example of this.
Any out of game tools should be their enhance the experince NOT PLUG THE GAPING HOLE or very crappy designed systems.
Thats all im going to say on it the above are industry held truths and best practice and Its about time ccp caught up with the times
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
510
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Posted - 2014.04.07 13:16:00 -
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I'm not trying to be the " JERK " of this thread but I get skeptical of post's like this one .
How do I know that this is not an alt's attempt at propaganda ???
Yes we know that this game has problems but I look at this and I see a proto player in a militia suit .
That's just me and knowing some of the ways of some who play this game .
I wish that there was a way to be able to tell the difference between an alt and an actual new player .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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Khan Hun
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.04.07 13:34:00 -
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To be fair, whether he is the alt of a proto stomping vet or a genuine new player doesn't really matter, I don't think you can really argue his experience is uncharacteristic of a what a lot of new players will experience.
I still join skirmishes where a squad of 6 or even queue synced 12 corp members in proto spend 95% of the game kill farming everyone else. Its even worse if your on the team with them, since trying to find anything to do or a person to shoot at is even more frustrating than spawning into sudden death.
If Dust is going to do well it will need new players, currently the new player experience is very rough to brutal, and as the established players SPs and ISK resources increase it'll only get worse.
There really should be some kind of simple system to give newer players a break, i.e. set up skirmish contracts onto three tiers of difficulty
1) 'Highsec' contracts, pay 1/2 normal isk and 2/3 of normal skill points.
2) 'lowsec' contracts, pay full isk and full skill points
3) 'nullsec contracts' 50k isk buy in to fund transport to the system, 120% isk and 120% skill points (still capped as normal)
You could then stick a new player buff on fresh characters that gives them 120% of skill points in highsec contracts for the first 3 months of the characters life.
It'd also be great to give new characters weekly 'missions' for the first 3 months of play, give them 50 advanced level fitted suits that have no skill requirements and a SP reward for getting X kills with that suit for example. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1360
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Posted - 2014.04.07 13:56:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:So you tired nothing and quit?
Should have asked your friend for a recommendation to a corp. Player run corps provide the instruction for rookies.
Provide training, instructions, 1 on 1 sessions, squad work, ISK to buy skill trees and weapons |
Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
434
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Posted - 2014.04.07 13:57:00 -
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Recently, the NPE has been the worst it's even been. I've been playing pubs all week, and seeing nothing but proto. Seriously, every match. Oh, and if they weren't running proto, they were tanking, or ADSing. And no matter how many I destroyed, another would take it's place. This game is literally the PC players Protostomping everyone else. Why, because the majority of non PC players have spent all their isk running counters to protostomping in 1.7!
.....QQ Complete
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1631
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:04:00 -
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._. Nice Alt bro
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
682
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:07:00 -
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Ge0rge W Bush wrote:...Got stomped in factional warfare buy a corp ancient somthing.....
Nice alt...
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1854
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:09:00 -
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This is an alt trying to make a point. Notice that he hits the key issues that are on the forum in his first ever short post. Notice the corp he faces just happens to be a well known one that people accuse of PC dominance. He tries to make his reference look casual by only "remembering" some of the name. He also makes sure to hit a home run with the mention of calling a random friend to tell him not to try it (making the "lost customer" argument.)
Fake. Move along.
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SteelDark Knight
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
329
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:11:00 -
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Wow, a 141 day old new player.
Ge0rge |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1049
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:13:00 -
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I am sorry to see that you had a bad experience. Yes, DUST does have a rather poor tutorial. I believe it is 1,200 WP to get out of the Academy. This amount to kill 24 people, hacking 24 objectives like turrets, or grabbing 12 hacks on a null cannon. It is pretty damn easy to be able to just get out of the Academy having no idea how to play, fit things, move, or even what the different types of weapons are good at. It does need to change.
Though I am curious why you would post that you had a terrible experience and that you weren't coming back. Would be like walking into a restaurant and telling the other tables "I don't like this place, so I am not going to keep coming back." If you want to leave a note for the Developers of the game, I suggest either the Feedback forums or by sending in a ticket.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Spirax Sarco
Swiss Bank of New Eden
20
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:17:00 -
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he's not new....
C.R.E.A.M.
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
711
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:19:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:So you tired nothing and quit?
Should have asked your friend for a recommendation to a corp. Player run corps provide the instruction for rookies.
He's right to be angry. Academy last 1-3 matches depending on the skill of the player. It should last much longer, at least until the person makes 100k WP or something like that. They need to play many matches to learn the game. The learning curve is veer steep.
Newb
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
2704
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:20:00 -
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Can i haz your stuff?
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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FraggerMike
G.R.A.V.E
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
206
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:24:00 -
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Ge0rge W Bush wrote:So after I friend talked me into trying dust I played this weekend.
First ACADAMY was fun I loved it.
Then I started to play the other game modes.
Got stomped in factional warfare buy a corp ancient somthing.
Then I tryed the other game modes I could not move before I got killed.
Where am I sopose to learn about this game ?
So dust is uninstalled and I caled my friend telling him this is a crapy game.
C U not
Now you know why I keep pushing this:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93506&find=unread
Director of G.R.A.V.E
Battles on Youtube channel:
G.R.A.V.E
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Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
980
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:27:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:This is an alt trying to make a point. Notice that he hits the key issues that are on the forum in his first ever short post. Notice the corp he faces just happens to be a well known one that people accuse of PC dominance. He tries to make his reference look casual by only "remembering" some of the name. He also makes sure to hit a home run with the mention of calling a random friend to tell him not to try it (making the "lost customer" argument.)
Fake. Move along.
GÇ£Artists use lies to tell the truth."
It doesn't matter at all. DUST 514 shouldn't need DUST University members to explain the complicated menu/skill system, or how to be effective on the field. As much as I agree with dent about helping our newbros, the game should be approachable without subdreddit vets coaxing you along saying "it will get better. spec A, B, and C first. And drive my tank a little before you invest yourself."
The Academy lasts approx 2-4 matches. It should be much longer than that. Like, you officially get kicked out when you hit 2 million SP. Until then you can play in the kiddie corner. If you are the alt a grizzled vet who doesn't want to run ez mode that long, give them the option to permanently exit the academy early, no option to head back.
Hail Bacon
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1855
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:27:00 -
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88 life time kills. 1.16 KDR. ZERO warpoints or kills this month. SO a total LIE about playing this weekend then. Total BS OP post. Ignore. ALT Alert.
Ivan Avogadro wrote:
GÇ£Artists use lies to tell the truth."
So do liers, and the dishonest, and the criminal and the untrustworthy.
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Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
980
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:31:00 -
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so, besides lying about being a newbro who played this weekend, was his argument about the state of new player affairs wrong?
Hail Bacon
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
434
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:35:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:judging by his spelling, he's either 6 or a lol alt trying not to look like a lol alt.
That doesn't change the overall problem underlying why most people find this game hard to pick up. CCP is notorious for "the Learning Cliff" but in this game, it's to hard for a casual player.
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Beld Errmon
1574
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:35:00 -
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Ge0rge W Bush wrote:So after I friend talked me into trying dust I played this weekend.
First ACADAMY was fun I loved it.
Then I started to play the other game modes.
Got stomped in factional warfare buy a corp ancient somthing.
Then I tryed the other game modes I could not move before I got killed.
Where am I sopose to learn about this game ?
So dust is uninstalled and I caled my friend telling him this is a crapy game.
C U not
Calling BS, your friend directed you to the forums and you chose a trolly name before making a crappy post on the forums, don't buy it at all, I'd say you are a scrub from a scrubby corp chucking a tantrum after playing for a month or two.
Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
782
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:38:00 -
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I think this is pretty common and shows the difficult of the NPE. Lets wait until fanfest to see what's in store. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1933
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:56:00 -
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Ge0rge W Bush wrote:So after I friend talked me into trying dust I played this weekend.
First ACADAMY was fun I loved it.
Then I started to play the other game modes.
Got stomped in factional warfare buy a corp ancient somthing.
Then I tryed the other game modes I could not move before I got killed.
Where am I sopose to learn about this game ?
So dust is uninstalled and I caled my friend telling him this is a crapy game.
C U not
So obvious. So sad. But you do have a point. Apparently Rouge is going to fix this come Fanfest, so say the CPM.
I support SP rollover.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1338
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:56:00 -
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WARNING, ALT DETECTED! |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1362
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:59:00 -
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Ge0rge W Bush wrote:So after I friend talked me into trying dust I played this weekend.
First ACADAMY was fun I loved it.
Then I started to play the other game modes.
Got stomped in factional warfare buy a corp ancient somthing.
Then I tryed the other game modes I could not move before I got killed.
Where am I sopose to learn about this game ?
So dust is uninstalled and I caled my friend telling him this is a crapy game.
C U not
uninstalled the game and logged on the Forums to tell a tale ?! Hmmm |
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