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negative49er
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.07 02:15:00 -
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I run every minmitar suit from the scout to the sentinel suit, but you rarely see minmatar( maybe one or two guy) on the battlefield. The reason why was the design choice CCP decided which was low ehp, low pg and CPU, fast stamina regen, and make it unnoticabley faster. Many thought the minmatar suit would play the hit and run playstyle, but speed tanking became somewhat useless from the increase to all suits speed and the slowdown when shot mechanic. The fast shield regen should apply to the minmatar suit to enable them to gain lose HP fast to get back into battle as well as a lower shield deplete rate. For the shield deplete the idea shouldn't be caldari because of them being able to fit more shield extender and shield recharge, because of their CPU and pg as well as their slots arrangement. The difference between the minmatar suit hacking and speed is far too small for anyone to notice and other suits can outperform the suit in those categories.
All I want is the suit to become more use able and everyone that run a minmatar suit know how hard it is to fit and play minmatar.
Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2732
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Posted - 2014.04.07 02:17:00 -
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The Amarr could say the same...
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
1185
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Posted - 2014.04.07 02:52:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:The Amarr could say the same... noGǪ.just no. You have the most HP and the best fittings of all drop suits, there is no reason to complain. The only change id like to see for amarr is to give them 230 base armor and 150 base shields on med frames
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2733
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Posted - 2014.04.07 02:59:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:The Amarr could say the same... noGǪ.just no. You have the most HP and the best fittings of all drop suits, there is no reason to complain. The only change id like to see for amarr is to give them 230 base armor and 150 base shields on med frames If you haven't noticed with 1.8 the title "best cpu/pg" no longer belongs to any one race. The only thing the Amarr have going for them is 30-40 more hp. And don't pull that max stamina bs, stamina is only good if you have the speed to use it. So please let go of your obvious discomfort for us and let's have an actual argument fill with "contrive" thoughts.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
4903
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Posted - 2014.04.07 03:00:00 -
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negative49er wrote:I run every minmitar suit from the scout to the sentinel suit, but you rarely see minmatar( maybe one or two guy) on the battlefield. The reason why was the design choice CCP decided which was low ehp, low pg and CPU, fast stamina regen, and make it unnoticabley faster. Many thought the minmatar suit would play the hit and run playstyle, but speed tanking became somewhat useless from the increase to all suits speed and the slowdown when shot mechanic. The fast shield regen should apply to the minmatar suit to enable them to gain lose HP fast to get back into battle as well as a lower shield deplete rate. For the shield deplete the idea shouldn't be caldari because of them being able to fit more shield extender and shield recharge, because of their CPU and pg as well as their slots arrangement. The difference between the minmatar suit hacking and speed is far too small for anyone to notice and other suits can outperform the suit in those categories.
All I want is the suit to become more use able and everyone that run a minmatar suit know how hard it is to fit and play minmatar.
''The difference between the minmatar suit hacking and speed is far too small for anyone to notice and other suits can outperform the suit in those categories.''
You said this, im guessing you were referring to the MINMATAR SCOUT right? Well the thing is , Mataris have more than meets the eye. REGULAR folk,might not notice the MAssive Stamina regen (50), overall stamina they have. The speed,DOES make a diffeerence,so much a Minmatar assault is faster than an amarrian scout. The Min Scout ALSO has the HIGHEST MELEE damage with 120, and a BONUS that is equal to MORE THAN 5 COMPLEX DAMAGE MODS worth in Nova Knife DAmage. I could go on, but i wont.....
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2733
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Posted - 2014.04.07 03:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:negative49er wrote:I run every minmitar suit from the scout to the sentinel suit, but you rarely see minmatar( maybe one or two guy) on the battlefield. The reason why was the design choice CCP decided which was low ehp, low pg and CPU, fast stamina regen, and make it unnoticabley faster. Many thought the minmatar suit would play the hit and run playstyle, but speed tanking became somewhat useless from the increase to all suits speed and the slowdown when shot mechanic. The fast shield regen should apply to the minmatar suit to enable them to gain lose HP fast to get back into battle as well as a lower shield deplete rate. For the shield deplete the idea shouldn't be caldari because of them being able to fit more shield extender and shield recharge, because of their CPU and pg as well as their slots arrangement. The difference between the minmatar suit hacking and speed is far too small for anyone to notice and other suits can outperform the suit in those categories.
All I want is the suit to become more use able and everyone that run a minmatar suit know how hard it is to fit and play minmatar. ''The difference between the minmatar suit hacking and speed is far too small for anyone to notice and other suits can outperform the suit in those categories.'' You said this, im guessing you were referring to the MINMATAR SCOUT right?Well the thing is , Mataris have more than meets the eye. REGULAR folk,might not notice the MAssive Stamina regen (50), overall stamina they have. The speed,DOES make a diffeerence,so much a Minmatar assault is faster than an amarrian scout. The Min Scout ALSO has the HIGHEST MELEE damage with 120, and a BONUS that is equal to MORE THAN 5 COMPLEX DAMAGE MODS worth in Nova Knife DAmage. I could go on, but i wont..... It's actually 60/per second regain.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
1194
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Posted - 2014.04.07 03:29:00 -
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stamina regen was a much needed bonus, i will agree that it does help the suit a lot. However, it makes no sense that they have WORSE shield regen than caldari suits. It makes 0 sense balance wise completely. Also, try speed tanking on a minja and then a cal scout. its somehow easier on a cal scout, i think because it has a smaller hit box.
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
4912
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Posted - 2014.04.07 03:40:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:stamina regen was a much needed bonus, i will agree that it does help the suit a lot. However, it makes no sense that they have WORSE shield regen than caldari suits. It makes 0 sense balance wise completely. Also, try speed tanking on a minja and then a cal scout. its somehow easier on a cal scout, i think because it has a smaller hit box.
It does make sense! You ARENT SHIELD TANKERS. The Minmatar suits are NOT designed to carry AN HP increasing module at all XD
Why would you Mataris deserve to have equal shield recharge rate as the Caldari Shield Master RAce?
If its easier in a Cal Scout, THEN USE THE CAL SCOUT.
The reasoning'': I do good with the cal scout but dont do good with a min scout , so i want the min scout to be better so i can use it becasue i like minmatar stuff ''
IS NOT VALID
sorry.....
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
1195
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Posted - 2014.04.07 03:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:stamina regen was a much needed bonus, i will agree that it does help the suit a lot. However, it makes no sense that they have WORSE shield regen than caldari suits. It makes 0 sense balance wise completely. Also, try speed tanking on a minja and then a cal scout. its somehow easier on a cal scout, i think because it has a smaller hit box. It does make sense! You ARENT SHIELD TANKERS.The Minmatar suits are NOT designed to carry AN HP increasing module at all XD Why would you Mataris deserve to have equal shield recharge rate as the Caldari Shield Master RAce?If its easier in a Cal Scout, THEN USE THE CAL SCOUT.The reasoning'': I do good with the cal scout but dont do good with a min scout , so i want the min scout to be better so i can use it becasue i like minmatar stuff '' IS NOT VALIDsorry..... First off, they are primarily shield tankers, and if no HP mods were fitted id be instaganked by that red dust that falls on some of the maps. Secondly, i would run cal scout if i had the sp. Im stuck running mot frames right now. Third, the min scout is supposed to be a SPEED TANKER, and is out speed tanked by a cal scout due to shoddy hit box programming. If minmitar aren't shield tankers what are we? cannon fodder? really? damage mods have ridiculous stacking and are useless, speed tanking is better on other suits, (besides we don't have pg to fit kin cats). I know we aren't supposed to be massive buffer tankers, but we should be massive regen tankers as we are supposed to be skirmishing burst dpsers.
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
693
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Posted - 2014.04.07 03:58:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:stamina regen was a much needed bonus, i will agree that it does help the suit a lot. However, it makes no sense that they have WORSE shield regen than caldari suits. It makes 0 sense balance wise completely. Also, try speed tanking on a minja and then a cal scout. its somehow easier on a cal scout, i think because it has a smaller hit box. Stamina Regen >>>>>> total stamina, I just can not stress this enough. It is not even close.
Also, the stamina regen boost was completely uncalled for. It was a huge kick in the balls to the amarr, who used to the slower but higher stamina race. Now instead we are the slower, race with not even an AR rounds worth of extra HP.
Mimatar suit s are mostly superior to amarr suits when their respective roles, or lack of roles overlap.
The minmatar assault > amarr assault (basically the same bonus, amarr assault -1 slot) minnie scout > amarr scout (minnies haeva role, amarr do not) minmatar logi > amarr logi (14 slots versus 13)
the amarr sentinel is much better for slugging it out, the minmatar sentinel is much better at skirmishing The amarr commando is better at overheating, the minnie commando has bonuses to already great weapons.
No, it is quite easy to prove that minmatar suits are much better than amarr suits.
You minmitards don't even have any idea what is wrong with your own suits.
1) shield extenders take way too much PG, not enough CPU
2) minnie assault should be 4H3L and caldari assault should be 5H2L
3) damage mods and speed mods should switch slots
4) armor plates give way to much HP to smaller suits.
There ya go, fix these problems and minmatar are essentially a great race.
The amarr on the other hand, is a bit more complicated.
Fixing swarms
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Vaux Karn
The Mercenary Collective
61
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Posted - 2014.04.07 04:41:00 -
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Just going to throw this out there...hack bonus for Min scouts is the same that Min logi had...combine that with maxed out suit skill, maxed hacking skill and one or two complex hack mods and you are talk about hacking objectives in 2 seconds. One of my buddies did this very regularly all last build. The scout is even better for this if you use a cloak, wait for the coast to be clear, hack, run, and hide...then just rinse and repeat. Even if you don't cloak, their speed is just as much as an advantage. That and with two complex hack mods you can counter hack like most people hack.
Also Min scout melee builds can push 400 damage melee attacks with a pistol whip much less novas. As someone else mentioned, Min assaults are faster than Amarr scouts and every single over medium frame, and the magazine size bonus makes a big difference when flanking heavies. Min logis rep better than anyone else for medic builds. Min commandos with mass drivers and combat rifles are just kittening evil. The only one that I can even see complaining about is the sentinel, but it is still faster than the other sentinels and with the HMG in a tight quarters area is still better suited for cover to cover combat. |
Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
695
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Posted - 2014.04.07 04:42:00 -
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Vaux Karn wrote:Just going to throw this out there...hack bonus for Min scouts is the same that Min logi had...combine that with maxed out suit skill, maxed hacking skill and one or two complex hack mods and you are talk about hacking objectives in 2 seconds. One of my buddies did this very regularly all last build. The scout is even better for this if you use a cloak, wait for the coast to be clear, hack, run, and hide...then just rinse and repeat. Even if you don't cloak, their speed is just as much as an advantage. That and with two complex hack mods you can counter hack like most people hack.
Also Min scout melee builds can push 400 damage melee attacks with a pistol whip much less novas. As someone else mentioned, Min assaults are faster than Amarr scouts and every single over medium frame, and the magazine size bonus makes a big difference when flanking heavies. Min logis rep better than anyone else for medic builds. Min commandos with mass drivers and combat rifles are just kittening evil. The only one that I can even see complaining about is the sentinel, but it is still faster than the other sentinels and with the HMG in a tight quarters area is still better suited for cover to cover combat. Your awesome man.
Fixing swarms
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