DUST Search - The Cost Of AV

Echo 1991 wrote:

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

Echo 1991 wrote:

I dont want tanks to die just by looking at them. I just think that if a tank can kill whatever it wants with relative ease, then av should be able to kill a tank solo. Not easily. just one person should have the ability to kill a tank if they have the sp in the right areas. They have to remove almost all form of anti infantry in order to kill a tank whereas a tanker loses very little anti infantry capability but can still destroy vehicles easily.

I use missile tanks, it's very hard to kill infantry. To gain anti infantry abilities I fit rail guns to my tank as well and have gunners man them, what some call teamwork. I also cannot engage a shield tank without av or gunner support, so I cannot engage anything I want with relative ease. If a player can solo a tank with swarms then it looses its effect as a force multiplyer, and we got back to the days of tanks hiding in fear from one swarm launcher. This is what you are suggesting. I believe that two skilled av should bring down a skilled tank and that teams should bring vehicles to the battlefield not only to fight infantry, but to fight other vehicles as well. Otherwise there isn't much of a role for them.

If you hit something it dies. You can still kill with relative ease. The way swarms are at the moment you would have to be a complete idiot to get killed by one person seeing as how the range is 175m. And dont bring force multipliers into it. 8 tankers call in tanks. It would take the entire team of competant av to kill them leaving no anti infantry capability. Tanks would get smashed if they were called in to counter them. It creates an imbalance.


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Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1063	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:14:00 - [1] - Quote Hmm interesting, although you could debate the dropsuit command and such because that also applies to other suits so a ground pounder would probably already have a few of these. That aside when I get home I'll pot up how much sp I have invested into my dropship.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1063	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Except vehicle skills are only for 1 thing, vehicles, but shield mods aren't av restricted Only 1 Thing? Really? Baloch Onikuma Methana Saga Viper Gorgon Grimsnes Myron Incubus Python Madrugar Gunnlogi That seems to be more than 1 thing to me. Also, where do you see Shield Modules included in that list? I think what jerrmy was trying to say is that vehicle skills only apply to vehicles, so if I spec into vehicle shields I can only use them on the vehicles you listed above. Where as dropsuit command, shield skills, core skills and armor skills apply to all the racial dropsuits. What little I have in dropships applies to all of my dropships and future dropsuits I skill into. So skilling into some of the things in your OP will also my scout, my assault, my heavy etc. My vehicle skills will only help my vehicles and if I want a good dropship I have to skill into those skills regardless of the vehicle I choose.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1063	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:53:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hmm interesting, although you could debate the dropsuit command and such because that also applies to other suits so a ground pounder would probably already have a few of these. That aside when I get home I'll pot up how much sp I have invested into my dropship. But then you'd also have to exclude Vehicle Command, as it applies to other vehicles as well. Also, if you've memorized what skills you have, you can use the SP chart on the right to pot it up right now. Well maybe, anyone with any dropsuit could skill into this as you need at least two points in dropsuit command for any dropsuit. Even I have dropsuit command to 2. If you are going to skill into a dropship you need vehicle command to 3 I believe and you need it to 5 for havs. There isn't anything else you unlock except for those specific vehicles at each level. At dropsuit command 2 you unlock all racial medium frames. I'll include all the skills for my dropship as you did for your av fit in your op.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1063	Posted - 2014.04.07 00:49:00 - [4] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I dont want tanks to die just by looking at them. I just think that if a tank can kill whatever it wants with relative ease, then av should be able to kill a tank solo. Not easily. just one person should have the ability to kill a tank if they have the sp in the right areas. They have to remove almost all form of anti infantry in order to kill a tank whereas a tanker loses very little anti infantry capability but can still destroy vehicles easily. I use missile tanks, it's very hard to kill infantry. To gain anti infantry abilities I fit rail guns to my tank as well and have gunners man them, what some call teamwork. I also cannot engage a shield tank without av or gunner support, so I cannot engage anything I want with relative ease. If a player can solo a tank with swarms then it looses its effect as a force multiplyer, and we got back to the days of tanks hiding in fear from one swarm launcher. This is what you are suggesting. I believe that two skilled av should bring down a skilled tank and that teams should bring vehicles to the battlefield not only to fight infantry, but to fight other vehicles as well. Otherwise there isn't much of a role for them.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1064	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:03:00 - [5] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I dont want tanks to die just by looking at them. I just think that if a tank can kill whatever it wants with relative ease, then av should be able to kill a tank solo. Not easily. just one person should have the ability to kill a tank if they have the sp in the right areas. They have to remove almost all form of anti infantry in order to kill a tank whereas a tanker loses very little anti infantry capability but can still destroy vehicles easily. I use missile tanks, it's very hard to kill infantry. To gain anti infantry abilities I fit rail guns to my tank as well and have gunners man them, what some call teamwork. I also cannot engage a shield tank without av or gunner support, so I cannot engage anything I want with relative ease. If a player can solo a tank with swarms then it looses its effect as a force multiplyer, and we got back to the days of tanks hiding in fear from one swarm launcher. This is what you are suggesting. I believe that two skilled av should bring down a skilled tank and that teams should bring vehicles to the battlefield not only to fight infantry, but to fight other vehicles as well. Otherwise there isn't much of a role for them. If you hit something it dies. You can still kill with relative ease. The way swarms are at the moment you would have to be a complete idiot to get killed by one person seeing as how the range is 175m. And dont bring force multipliers into it. 8 tankers call in tanks. It would take the entire team of competant av to kill them leaving no anti infantry capability. Tanks would get smashed if they were called in to counter them. It creates an imbalance. Yes but you have to understand it takes a lot of concentration to kill infantry with a missile tank. I don't have time to check my surroundings and am vulnerable to av and if another tank shows up, especially a shield tank and I don't have a full clip my tank is gone. I have my gunners kill the infantry so I can focus on other vehicles or installations. It requires 3 mercs to operate my tank with a minimum crew of 2 or other tank support. So it should require two skilled av to kill it. Av players idea not mine, I like it though. Please tell me what a tank is if not a force multiplier? And if you have a team of competent tankers fighting against a tank hore , say 2-3vs 8 with av support then you have a good chance of winning.