DUST Search - The Cost Of AV

TERMINALANCE wrote:

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Patrick57 wrote:

Good AV only costs 0 SP and 70k ISK.

Yeah if your a dropship pilot who can't fit enough tank to survive a railgun hit and doesn't know what an Afterburner is.

Or a tanker who couldn't be bothered with things such as situational awareness, and is too lazy to constantly check the map for enemy vehicles.

My forge fitting costs 4M, and is about 100k. I think I posted it in the forums once.

Wrecks all the tanks (when the damn Ishy is working)

I think you would find that fit significantly lacking for top tier play. its lack of ability to take any serious hits and deal out the proper spike dmg necessary to make a substantial threat deterrence in a reasonable amount of time means your staying power is extremely limited. and for top tier play staying power and effectiveness over time are important considerations. Sure its a good pub stomper for the walk though skirmish, but when games are on the line and you have to win it really wont hold up.


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Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2622	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:59:00 - [1] - Quote Atiim wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Good AV only costs 0 SP and 70k ISK. Yeah if your a dropship pilot who can't fit enough tank to survive a railgun hit and doesn't know what an Afterburner is. Or a tanker who couldn't be bothered with things such as situational awareness, and is too lazy to constantly check the map for enemy vehicles. My forge fitting costs 4M, and is about 100k. I think I posted it in the forums once. Wrecks all the tanks (when the damn Ishy is working) ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2623	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:26:00 - [2] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Good AV only costs 0 SP and 70k ISK. Yeah if your a dropship pilot who can't fit enough tank to survive a railgun hit and doesn't know what an Afterburner is. Or a tanker who couldn't be bothered with things such as situational awareness, and is too lazy to constantly check the map for enemy vehicles. My forge fitting costs 4M, and is about 100k. I think I posted it in the forums once. Wrecks all the tanks (when the damn Ishy is working) I think you would find that fit significantly lacking for top tier play. its lack of ability to take any serious hits and deal out the proper spike dmg necessary to make a substantial threat deterrence in a reasonable amount of time means your staying power is extremely limited. and for top tier play staying power and effectiveness over time are important considerations. Sure its a good pub stomper for the walk though skirmish, but when games are on the line and you have to win it really wont hold up. Ishukone Assault, prof 3, double damage mods. I don't think your spike gets much bigger. The only difference between my fitting and one costing an extra 2M SP is you've got a little more armour. (This was a 1.7 and prior fitting, incidentally) ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2662	Posted - 2014.04.08 04:06:00 - [3] - Quote So I went and built my personal optimal fitting ingame. Comes to a total of 171k ISK. I soloed quite a few tanks with it, lost them only when some ******* blue stole my car (which was BPO fit, so not pricy). The whole ensemble came to 171k, plus about 8k for the car (I think the only thing I pay for on it is the scanner) Anyway. Sentinel ak.0 (I've only got 'Neo' ones from the faction pack; my Sentinel skill is to 4) Ishukone Assault FG Kaalakiota MSMG Lai Dai Packed AV 'nades (god, these wreck tanks. They make the kills so often) 2x Complex Extender 2x Complex Armour Repairer 1x Enhanced Armour Plate I need to invest in fitting optimisation to fit full proto :) It has enough EHP to survive a direct hit from an MLT rail, and few enough plates that I can still move reasonably quickly. Rails are meat, I can 1v1 a Sica from in the road in front of him pretty easily, but blasters take a little work. I usually run a much cheaper variant of this fitting, though, which is still quite effective. Just a BPO heavy with a DAU. I have issues soloing tanks with this sometimes, but in conjunction with another 10k suit it dominates vehicles. It's more fun to kill the tanks with missiles, though :) ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2674	Posted - 2014.04.08 07:58:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: True Adamance can't quote properly wrote: You telling me you can't kill a Soma? facepalms....... With an assault rifle? No, I can't, but I can kill infantry, which is the pertinent point. I also can't kill a Soma with a starter fit swarm, not that that is relevant to the reply. So you don't even try to take down the HAV in a meaningful way yet complain...... facepalms So I fixed the quote. Also what exactly is the point here? It is exceedingly difficult to solo a vehicle with body shots only, even from a proto forge. It takes multiple sources of damage. This includes things like AV grenades, REs and proxes. It is entirely plausible to solo a tank in a blueprint suit with 'Dren' swarms, as long as you're also applying damage from other sources. Current V-AV balance means that it's entirely possible to solo a tank, but it is difficult and far easier to do in pairs. Three dedicTed AV can easily clear the board from any number of tanks, even if they're using STD gear. To clarify, my Ishukone Assault FG has issues killing many tanks inside four shots. If they position themselves poorly, however, they die in two shots. My AV grenades usually mop up whatever I can't kill otherwise, and if they can't I bring a friend. AV is no longer something you can fit in your back pocket, and it's now a fully dedicated role that is made far easier (like any other) by support. ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien