DUST Search - The Cost Of AV

Sergeant Sazu wrote:

Well this is a very interesting discussion for me, since I use HAV and AV a good amount of the time.

I've used Swarms and AV Grenades since I started playing, and before 1.7 I had an alternate where I used a Blaster Gunnlogi. As of now I'm still using my CBR7 and EX-0, and I'm recently using a large Missile Gunnlogi all in one character.

As my Missile tank, I'm pretty sure 95% of my deaths were to the ones who fear effort and put damage mods on a Sica and call it a day. Barely anyone Forges or Swarms me anymore. It's just butthurt Rail tanks and Scouts trying to stick Remotes to me. That's it. Honestly, people should use actual AV, not these easy mode tactics. Even if you don't take out a tank, getting them to activate their modules is a win, since they might not have them when they need it later on.

I'd rather get killed by actual AV than cowards who spend 80k ISK to eliminate my 200k ISK tank with no personal skill or SP required. But that's another discussion, I suppose. The situation with AV vs. HAV might change if they fix up the MLT tank price and other things.

I am an AV user, always will be, and always will I fail many times even though I'm the one putting myself at risk of everything in the game.

To sum it up, tanks should be much more fragile for their low price. Or make them expensive again and keep them how they are. Either way, how things are right now is not okay.


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Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 779	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:56:00 - [1] - Quote Of course always interesting, but with such an investment, the best AV remains another tank. Cheaper ISK wise and SP wise. Until that changes, the sandbox isn't really working.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 779	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:59:00 - [2] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Are you guys smoking? You are all adamant that it should take more than one person to kill a tank. If your team had 8 tanks then you would say that it takes 2 people to kill each tank. Which would mean all of the infantry (assuming that the team doesnt have an equal number of tanks which is mote likely) would be occupied with tanks. Also, im pretty sure 8 tanks would rip through most infantry rendering hacking almost pointless. Just clone them. I can't believe people still spout that fallacy - of course it shouldn't take two or more people to kill a tank. There have been reams of threads arguing this fact. This isn't EVE where you have no theoretical limits on player engagements. This is Dust 514, where you are limited to 16 vs 16 (for now). As soon as you have an asset, that requires only one operator and can only be neutralised by TWO or more opposing assets, then that asset is automatically overpowered - no matter what it's game mechanics are, this is just fact. Then add the fact that the asset itself can kill infantry and other tanks, can be recalled in 5 seconds anywhere on the map if it's in trouble, and isn't really visible on the minimap, and the arguments fall apart quickly. The AV/HAV is almost at the sweet spot, just not yet. They need to fix swarms and the obviously bugged forges before meaningful data starts to emerge. Until then, just keep using tanks. they remain the best, cheapest and most efficient AV.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 787	Posted - 2014.04.08 12:12:00 - [3] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: Well this is a very interesting discussion for me, since I use HAV and AV a good amount of the time. I've used Swarms and AV Grenades since I started playing, and before 1.7 I had an alternate where I used a Blaster Gunnlogi. As of now I'm still using my CBR7 and EX-0, and I'm recently using a large Missile Gunnlogi all in one character. As my Missile tank, I'm pretty sure 95% of my deaths were to the ones who fear effort and put damage mods on a Sica and call it a day. Barely anyone Forges or Swarms me anymore. It's just butthurt Rail tanks and Scouts trying to stick Remotes to me. That's it. Honestly, people should use actual AV, not these easy mode tactics. Even if you don't take out a tank, getting them to activate their modules is a win, since they might not have them when they need it later on. I'd rather get killed by actual AV than cowards who spend 80k ISK to eliminate my 200k ISK tank with no personal skill or SP required. But that's another discussion, I suppose. The situation with AV vs. HAV might change if they fix up the MLT tank price and other things. I am an AV user, always will be, and always will I fail many times even though I'm the one putting myself at risk of everything in the game. To sum it up, tanks should be much more fragile for their low price. Or make them expensive again and keep them how they are. Either way, how things are right now is not okay. I think this also brings up the fact that there is just not enough variety for an AV fit nowadays..... we are missing a few heavy weapons and I'm sure some other AV weapons are (were?) in the works.... I think it will be a glorious day when we achieve a true sandbox level so when you see a tank and you're alone on foot you don't think "Lets get the forge" you think "what's the best way I can take out this tank under the circumstances"... at the moment, it's still too easy to counter a tank with another tank (and it's cheap too and doesn't require much skill)... the situation is improving, but it hasn't quite yet hit the sweet spot... I think when it does you will see the disappearance of jihad LAV's and "tank spam" in a general sense will cease and only be used for people who are a) trying tanks out or b) dedicated tanks who have invested the time and skill to dominate on the battlefield..