1. CCP has not considered anything to the cpm or public yet.

2. The thread is really a discussion thread none the less its to continue to talk; analyze, observe, and see where and what players are doing with the cloak.

3. Had CCP implemented the original cloak they wanted; nobody would be defending the cloak.

Can you explain number three more in detail ???

Garrett's proposal to remove damping

It's not MY proposal though.

I'm working from the proposal mentioned by IWS in the CPM cloak discussion thread.

And I'm suggesting only a REDUCTION in dampening, not a removal, as less of a nerf than most offended people are crying for. There are people asking for a direct increase in profile instead of a decrease, and the CPM seem to think a flat removal of dampening is a good idea. I think a small nerf to the amount of dampening provided would be worth trying as a first step.

Thank you for the info - OP has been updated.

TY, just remember discussions arm the CPM with arguments should and if ever CCP does feel like talking to the cpm about cloaks. So that if so say CCP came out with a off the wall nerf you guys would have provided more than enough firepower to divert such.

Anyways my proposal was to bring in a second variant of cloaks with dampening bonuses (that progressed through tiers and may have harder time fitting) but they gain no time bonus per tier. Then remove the damp bonus from the current cloaks.

As for the cloak animation deal I honestly think that is a low impact high effort ordeal. Low impact because its is not going to stop someone from decloaking behind you then shooting your ass off. Also any passive scan scout worth their salt already know when to decloak and when not to considering they can see through walls on their minimap.

the state of the game is a campfest
all those months of development for scanners and cloaks

time better spent on development for new game modes, new game maps
but once e3 2014 is here then times up for dust versus other games

fanfest better deliver

why not just remove active scanners and cloaks and instead focus on new game modes, new game maps ??

instead of waisting time trying to balance scanners and cloak s ???

As everyone knows, I'm a firm believer - as someone who DOESN'T use the cloak myself - that the cloak is already fairly well-balanced.

EDIT: I'm not sure how many have noticed, but IWS has posted in the CPM cloak discussion thread mentioning that CCP are considering a few elements to nerf. This thread is a call for CCP to not overdo it like they always do.

Apparently, CCP haven't specifically outlined their perspective for the CPM, and IWS has been speaking about what the CPM are considering (presumably as proposals to take to CCP for balance). Regardless, my point stands. Thank you for the correction, IWS.

They're considering several angles, and a couple of the changes they're considering are quite significant nerfs to the cloak.

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That said, looking at things, I've noticed one of CCP's proposals was to remove the dampening bonus. If they make NO other changes, it's possible that this might be reasonable. But I'm worried at the same time, because it's possible that it may still be too large a nerf. And there are people calling for more than this - asking for the dampening bonus to be a penalty instead.

As such, I'd suggest that - for once - CCP should try UNDER-nerfing something in the first instance. NO changes to cloak EXCEPT to reduce the dampening bonus from 25% down to either 10 or 15%. It's small, but a small step then SEE WHAT HAPPENS is better than throwing the baby out with the bathwater like they have so many times before.