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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:48:00 -
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Considering it has something close to 75% of the range of the rail now.
CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
2967
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:54:00 -
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Inb4everytankerwhohastesrailtanks
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12045
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:56:00 -
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But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6403
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:14:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range?
Assault Dropship.
The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers"
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
-HAND
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship.
ew skill at piloting
that would require effort
ew
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship.
Until you get shot down by a Rail Tank...
My personal best ADS match
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:49:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship. Until you get shot down by a Rail Tank...
Which has to leave the red-line now. 
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:59:00 -
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It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Alena Ventrallis
PAND3M0N1UM
Lokun Listamenn
1140
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:06:00 -
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As soon as the forge gets a range nerf. Considering it's 100% range of the rail now.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
Fixed link.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
5005
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:14:00 -
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The fact that a Blaster equipped tank can rapidly kill infantry from outside the lock-range of the Swarm Launcher is pants-on-head ********.
And yes, I have been killed in 4 shots by a Large Blaster from 200 meters, which is 25 meters outside the max range for Swarm Launchers.
Also, before anyone complains, Small Missile turrets can now only hit out to 125 meters, so Assault Dropships have to be in Swarm range in order to get kills.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1178
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:31:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf.
Have you used one?
Crush them
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1178
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:32:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:As soon as the forge gets a range nerf. Considering it's 100% range of the rail now.
you don't like fair fights?
Crush them
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Chuckles Brown
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:36:00 -
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I took down a Viper yesterday with my blaster. 333m
That's OP as f*ck! My railgun can't even shoot that far.
The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
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Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:41:00 -
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Chuckles Brown wrote:I took down a Viper yesterday with my blaster. 333m
That's OP as f*ck! My railgun can't even shoot that far.
no you dint
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
866
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:07:00 -
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Never has a map been just totally dominated by rail tanks. It's blaster tanks that just steam roll infantry AV making it nearly useless save for getting RE's on its fuel tank. Yet here they are as powerful as ever.
CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:13:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:
Until you get shot down by a Rail Tank...
Well you can make a fit that survives the Railgun hit, and then use your Afterburners and fly to the flight ceiling.
Then just wait for your health to regen, activate your Damage Modifiers, and pelt the HAV to death while flying above it (so that it can't fight back).
The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers"
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
-HAND
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2703
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:28:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one?
Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits?
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Nelo Angel0
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
199
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:32:00 -
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Why not make the old breach blaster variant the new main gun? It had high base dmg, low RoF, low range ( sort of? ), and was better against vehicles than the current blasters. If CCP really plan on making a high RoF blaster to represent the minmitards than wouldn't it end up more or less the same as the current ones? ( i'd have to check the thread with stats from the SDE but someone commenting on how'd they'd work would be much appriciated ).
Aside from that one way to deal with blasters is making it so they have a variable amount of clearance; meaning a madrugar with blasters can't aim as high/low as a gunlogi with blasters. I remember that CCP did add that at one point but it was bad in that vehicles couldn't aim at infantry even slightly above them. What i'm proposing would hopefully make the madrugar more of a anti-tank tank, since rails on it won't aim as high, and the blasters can't aim above a certain distance. They would destroy against grounded infantry.
I'm not much of a number guy so most of this is just a wishful idea and i wouldn't begin to have an idea which numbers to adjust or what angle limit i'd set the turrents at. But if it worked than if could mean that each turrent has a slightly different feel on each tank.
Edit: want to point out i haven't used a tank since slightly before the angle nerf and tanks couldn't aim above buildings. so a tankers PoV on the idea and how'd they'd change it would be much appreciated |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1179
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:52:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits?
no.
Crush them
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
RISE of LEGION
46
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:57:00 -
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Rail turrets/ Tanks need one of two things. Damage nerf, or longer charge up time per shot.
Completely stupid and ridiculous range, attack power, accuracy, and speed. Makes running assault drop ships pretty much pointless now.
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Heavy
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:58:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no.
Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold?
Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Scheneighnay McBob
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4644
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:13:00 -
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A range nerf WOULD be okay, but they would need to be able to aim at a higher angle, and that would look ridiculous.
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
1158
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:40:00 -
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it has longer range than the railgun, but does minimal damage at past 200m
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Chuckles Brown
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Posted - 2014.04.06 04:53:00 -
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Shadow of War88 wrote:Chuckles Brown wrote:I took down a Viper yesterday with my blaster. 333m
That's OP as f*ck! My railgun can't even shoot that far. no you dint
Ion Cannon w/ damage mod. I promise you I did.
The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1520
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Posted - 2014.04.06 04:57:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Never has a map been just totally dominated by rail tanks. It's blaster tanks that just steam roll infantry AV making it nearly useless save for getting RE's on its fuel tank. Yet here they are as powerful as ever.
The only reason you get that is because nobody on the other team fielded a missile/railgun tank to make those blasters go away. But of course with the hardener nerf, blasters are effective at AV now too.
That's why I say that large blasters should receive a flat 33% damage nerf. See this for my views on large turret balance.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1521
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Posted - 2014.04.06 04:59:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold? Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason.
My tank costs 560k 
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1181
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Posted - 2014.04.06 05:12:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold? Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason.
you asked if tanks are cheaper than dropsuits. Go look at the prices. Its possible a mlt tank can be cheaper but that was not the question. My gunnlogi hull costs 100k. My neutron blaster another hundo. Getfucked. I can make an op, sica for 111k. What's your point? If you can't kill a sica with proto AV you got bigger problems. Are tanks cheaper? No. Can you proto out a tank for cheap? No. Can you buy a hull for less than a completely proto fit dropsuit? Yes.
Crush them
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TERMINALANCE
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2014.04.06 05:30:00 -
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it needs a large accuracy nerf |
TERMINALANCE
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2014.04.06 05:43:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:
you asked if tanks are cheaper than dropsuits. Go look at the prices. Its possible a mlt tank can be cheaper but that was not the question. My gunnlogi hull costs 100k. My neutron blaster another hundo. Getfucked. I can make an op, sica for 111k. What's your point? If you can't kill a sica with proto AV you got bigger problems. Are tanks cheaper? No. Can you proto out a tank for cheap? No. Can you buy a hull for less than a completely proto fit dropsuit? Yes.
I can proto out a proto dropsuit for cheap? yes I can. Are dropsuit teirs fair and realistic for all players? yes. Are tanks? no. the spead on tanks EHP,damage and speed is too large. Proto AV costs around 250k and has many disadvantages for play, tanks do not. also MLT AV should have as fair a chance to take out a proto tank as MLT dropsuits do against proto dropsuits.
If that means you lower the prices of tanks to reflect that sure, then they should do it. but right now it is in no way fair or balanced.
ISK is not a balancing agent. tanks need their spreads on EHP SPEED,DPS reigned in or they will never be balanced. they are in major need of EHP teiricide. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1181
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:10:00 -
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TERMINALANCE wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:
you asked if tanks are cheaper than dropsuits. Go look at the prices. Its possible a mlt tank can be cheaper but that was not the question. My gunnlogi hull costs 100k. My neutron blaster another hundo. Getfucked. I can make an op, sica for 111k. What's your point? If you can't kill a sica with proto AV you got bigger problems. Are tanks cheaper? No. Can you proto out a tank for cheap? No. Can you buy a hull for less than a completely proto fit dropsuit? Yes.
I can proto out a proto dropsuit for cheap? yes I can. Are dropsuit teirs fair and realistic for all players? yes. Are tanks? no. the spead on tanks EHP,damage and speed is too large. Proto AV costs around 250k and has many disadvantages for play, tanks do not. also MLT AV should have as fair a chance to take out a proto tank as MLT dropsuits do against proto dropsuits. If that means you lower the prices of tanks to reflect that sure, then they should do it. but right now it is in no way fair or balanced. ISK is not a balancing agent. tanks need their spreads on EHP SPEED,DPS reigned in or they will never be balanced. they are in major need of EHP teiricide.
I understand all the arguments. What I disagree with is propaganda and misinformation. I have had proto AV since chromosome. I have watched the complete overhaul of both sides. Its a farce. Everyone presents info that reinforces their opinion. There are a few of us who understand that if you listen to only one side you get imbalance. If you let CCP make changes based off of their own ignorant ideas we all get screwed. All I ask is people be honest. I know this is New Eden where being I terrible person is celebrated but its where I spend my free time. I want the damn game fixed.
Crush them
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