DUST Search - When is the large blaster going to get it's range nerf?

TERMINALANCE wrote:

Darken-Sol wrote:

you asked if tanks are cheaper than dropsuits. Go look at the prices. Its possible a mlt tank can be cheaper but that was not the question. My gunnlogi hull costs 100k. My neutron blaster another hundo. Getfucked. I can make an op, sica for 111k. What's your point? If you can't kill a sica with proto AV you got bigger problems. Are tanks cheaper? No. Can you proto out a tank for cheap? No. Can you buy a hull for less than a completely proto fit dropsuit? Yes.

I can proto out a proto dropsuit for cheap? yes I can. Are dropsuit teirs fair and realistic for all players? yes. Are tanks? no. the spead on tanks EHP,damage and speed is too large. Proto AV costs around 250k and has many disadvantages for play, tanks do not. also MLT AV should have as fair a chance to take out a proto tank as MLT dropsuits do against proto dropsuits.

If that means you lower the prices of tanks to reflect that sure, then they should do it. but right now it is in no way fair or balanced.
ISK is not a balancing agent. tanks need their spreads on EHP SPEED,DPS reigned in or they will never be balanced. they are in major need of EHP teiricide.

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Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 865	Posted - 2014.04.05 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote Considering it has something close to 75% of the range of the rail now. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2967	Posted - 2014.04.05 19:54:00 - [2] - Quote Inb4everytankerwhohastesrailtanks "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12045	Posted - 2014.04.05 19:56:00 - [3] - Quote But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6403	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:14:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12047	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:41:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship. ew skill at piloting that would require effort ew You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Patrick57 6703	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:44:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship. Until you get shot down by a Rail Tank... My personal best ADS match
Rusty Shallows 1422	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:49:00 - [7] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship. Until you get shot down by a Rail Tank... Which has to leave the red-line now. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2702	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:59:00 - [8] - Quote It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1140	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:06:00 - [9] - Quote As soon as the forge gets a range nerf. Considering it's 100% range of the rail now. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5005	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:14:00 - [10] - Quote The fact that a Blaster equipped tank can rapidly kill infantry from outside the lock-range of the Swarm Launcher is pants-on-head ********. And yes, I have been killed in 4 shots by a Large Blaster from 200 meters, which is 25 meters outside the max range for Swarm Launchers. Also, before anyone complains, Small Missile turrets can now only hit out to 125 meters, so Assault Dropships have to be in Swarm range in order to get kills. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1178	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:31:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Crush them
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1178	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:32:00 - [12] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: As soon as the forge gets a range nerf. Considering it's 100% range of the rail now. you don't like fair fights? Crush them
Chuckles Brown 241	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:36:00 - [13] - Quote I took down a Viper yesterday with my blaster. 333m That's OP as f*ck! My railgun can't even shoot that far. The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah? Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 222	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:41:00 - [14] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: I took down a Viper yesterday with my blaster. 333m That's OP as f*ck! My railgun can't even shoot that far. no you dint & justice for all
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 866	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:07:00 - [15] - Quote Never has a map been just totally dominated by rail tanks. It's blaster tanks that just steam roll infantry AV making it nearly useless save for getting RE's on its fuel tank. Yet here they are as powerful as ever. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6412	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:13:00 - [16] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Until you get shot down by a Rail Tank... Well you can make a fit that survives the Railgun hit, and then use your Afterburners and fly to the flight ceiling. Then just wait for your health to regen, activate your Damage Modifiers, and pelt the HAV to death while flying above it (so that it can't fight back). The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2703	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:28:00 - [17] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Nelo Angel0 RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 199	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:32:00 - [18] - Quote Why not make the old breach blaster variant the new main gun? It had high base dmg, low RoF, low range ( sort of? ), and was better against vehicles than the current blasters. If CCP really plan on making a high RoF blaster to represent the minmitards than wouldn't it end up more or less the same as the current ones? ( i'd have to check the thread with stats from the SDE but someone commenting on how'd they'd work would be much appriciated ). Aside from that one way to deal with blasters is making it so they have a variable amount of clearance; meaning a madrugar with blasters can't aim as high/low as a gunlogi with blasters. I remember that CCP did add that at one point but it was bad in that vehicles couldn't aim at infantry even slightly above them. What i'm proposing would hopefully make the madrugar more of a anti-tank tank, since rails on it won't aim as high, and the blasters can't aim above a certain distance. They would destroy against grounded infantry. I'm not much of a number guy so most of this is just a wishful idea and i wouldn't begin to have an idea which numbers to adjust or what angle limit i'd set the turrents at. But if it worked than if could mean that each turrent has a slightly different feel on each tank. Edit: want to point out i haven't used a tank since slightly before the angle nerf and tanks couldn't aim above buildings. so a tankers PoV on the idea and how'd they'd change it would be much appreciated
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1179	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:52:00 - [19] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Crush them
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 46	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:57:00 - [20] - Quote Rail turrets/ Tanks need one of two things. Damage nerf, or longer charge up time per shot. Completely stupid and ridiculous range, attack power, accuracy, and speed. Makes running assault drop ships pretty much pointless now. G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Heavy

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2704	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:58:00 - [21] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold? Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4644	Posted - 2014.04.05 23:13:00 - [22] - Quote A range nerf WOULD be okay, but they would need to be able to aim at a higher angle, and that would look ridiculous. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 1158	Posted - 2014.04.05 23:40:00 - [23] - Quote it has longer range than the railgun, but does minimal damage at past 200m Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Chuckles Brown 243	Posted - 2014.04.06 04:53:00 - [24] - Quote Shadow of War88 wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: I took down a Viper yesterday with my blaster. 333m That's OP as f*ck! My railgun can't even shoot that far. no you dint Ion Cannon w/ damage mod. I promise you I did. The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah? Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1520	Posted - 2014.04.06 04:57:00 - [25] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Never has a map been just totally dominated by rail tanks. It's blaster tanks that just steam roll infantry AV making it nearly useless save for getting RE's on its fuel tank. Yet here they are as powerful as ever. The only reason you get that is because nobody on the other team fielded a missile/railgun tank to make those blasters go away. But of course with the hardener nerf, blasters are effective at AV now too. That's why I say that large blasters should receive a flat 33% damage nerf. See this for my views on large turret balance. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1521	Posted - 2014.04.06 04:59:00 - [26] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold? Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason. My tank costs 560k "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1181	Posted - 2014.04.06 05:12:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold? Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason. you asked if tanks are cheaper than dropsuits. Go look at the prices. Its possible a mlt tank can be cheaper but that was not the question. My gunnlogi hull costs 100k. My neutron blaster another hundo. Getfucked. I can make an op, sica for 111k. What's your point? If you can't kill a sica with proto AV you got bigger problems. Are tanks cheaper? No. Can you proto out a tank for cheap? No. Can you buy a hull for less than a completely proto fit dropsuit? Yes. Crush them
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.04.06 05:30:00 - [28] - Quote it needs a large accuracy nerf
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.04.06 05:43:00 - [29] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: you asked if tanks are cheaper than dropsuits. Go look at the prices. Its possible a mlt tank can be cheaper but that was not the question. My gunnlogi hull costs 100k. My neutron blaster another hundo. Getfucked. I can make an op, sica for 111k. What's your point? If you can't kill a sica with proto AV you got bigger problems. Are tanks cheaper? No. Can you proto out a tank for cheap? No. Can you buy a hull for less than a completely proto fit dropsuit? Yes. I can proto out a proto dropsuit for cheap? yes I can. Are dropsuit teirs fair and realistic for all players? yes. Are tanks? no. the spead on tanks EHP,damage and speed is too large. Proto AV costs around 250k and has many disadvantages for play, tanks do not. also MLT AV should have as fair a chance to take out a proto tank as MLT dropsuits do against proto dropsuits. If that means you lower the prices of tanks to reflect that sure, then they should do it. but right now it is in no way fair or balanced. ISK is not a balancing agent. tanks need their spreads on EHP SPEED,DPS reigned in or they will never be balanced. they are in major need of EHP teiricide.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1181	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:10:00 - [30] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: you asked if tanks are cheaper than dropsuits. Go look at the prices. Its possible a mlt tank can be cheaper but that was not the question. My gunnlogi hull costs 100k. My neutron blaster another hundo. Getfucked. I can make an op, sica for 111k. What's your point? If you can't kill a sica with proto AV you got bigger problems. Are tanks cheaper? No. Can you proto out a tank for cheap? No. Can you buy a hull for less than a completely proto fit dropsuit? Yes. I can proto out a proto dropsuit for cheap? yes I can. Are dropsuit teirs fair and realistic for all players? yes. Are tanks? no. the spead on tanks EHP,damage and speed is too large. Proto AV costs around 250k and has many disadvantages for play, tanks do not. also MLT AV should have as fair a chance to take out a proto tank as MLT dropsuits do against proto dropsuits. If that means you lower the prices of tanks to reflect that sure, then they should do it. but right now it is in no way fair or balanced. ISK is not a balancing agent. tanks need their spreads on EHP SPEED,DPS reigned in or they will never be balanced. they are in major need of EHP teiricide. I understand all the arguments. What I disagree with is propaganda and misinformation. I have had proto AV since chromosome. I have watched the complete overhaul of both sides. Its a farce. Everyone presents info that reinforces their opinion. There are a few of us who understand that if you listen to only one side you get imbalance. If you let CCP make changes based off of their own ignorant ideas we all get screwed. All I ask is people be honest. I know this is New Eden where being I terrible person is celebrated but its where I spend my free time. I want the damn game fixed. Crush them

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 705	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:30:00 - [31] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold? Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason. Proto gear is the toilet of the ISK world. This has been explained by the Devs more than once. You want to run Proto? That's just fine, but remember that 20k ISK suit will be just as good if not better at cleaning out tanks. Your decision to waste 150K ISK on a single suit was your choice. It's called money management. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2109	Posted - 2014.04.06 07:03:00 - [32] - Quote Lololol. I had so much fun in my Soma with 250hp/s rep yesterday. Mainly hunting redline rail tanks. IN THE REDLINE. DONT NERF MY GUN GUN GUN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im4Tb_AXQig If you reduce range, increase my dmg per shot to double please. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2610	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:04:00 - [33] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Have you used one? Idk are tanks cheaper than fully proto'd out suits? no. Really so my 150k Scout Ak.0 is cheaper than a 75k militia tank with mods that can increase its hp, damage, and threshold? Please Sol don't turn into one of those without reason. Turns out my 485k XT-201 Gunnlogi is more expensive than a 1500ISK MLT set. Oh look! I can make misleading and dishonest arguments too! Did you know that a Soma was cheaper than my logistics gk.0 in 1.6? ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 686	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:24:00 - [34] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Turns out my 485k XT-201 Gunnlogi is more expensive than a 1500ISK MLT set. Oh look! I can make misleading and dishonest arguments too! Did you know that a Soma was cheaper than my logistics gk.0 in 1.6? Lets be perfectly honest here; 1) Should blasters outrange swarms? Lolno. 2) militia is supposed to be able to take out proto. Thats why free suits can easily kill 200k proto suits. 3) milita/standard swarms are so ridiculously underpowered it isn't funny. Can't even kill a turret installation without reloading. 4) your gunnlogi is quite literally immune to any militia fit. No it is, I can totally prove it with maths and stuff. Yes I can. If you die in a 480k+isk tank (wth 280k isk for a turret??) to a single militia fit dropsuit you are the worst player in the history of dust. Fixing swarms
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 343	Posted - 2014.04.06 10:19:00 - [35] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: But however will I kill infantry by the score if I don't have a massive range? Assault Dropship. ew skill at piloting that would require effort ew What skills at piloting do ADS require in pubs? None whatsover, lol. Rusty Shallows wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Until you get shot down by a Rail Tank... Which has to leave the red-line now. No it does not. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 343	Posted - 2014.04.06 10:23:00 - [36] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: It doesn't need a range nerf but instead a accuracy nerf. Careful what you wish for, Scattered Blaster had much worse accuracy than the basic variant and it was much more effective at killing infantry cause it required no aiming. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.


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