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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:39:00 -
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Seriously ^. Scouts are well-balanced if you're not using the easy mode gun. The shotgun has always been balanced around the insanely low optimal. Now that it's trivial to get in to that range, it's just too easy. Double sidearms all day for the win.
That is all.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:52:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Seriously ^. Scouts are well-balanced if you're not using the easy mode gun. The shotgun has always been balanced around the insanely low optimal. Now that it's trivial to get in to that range, it's just too easy. Double sidearms all day for the win.
That is all. Running ina scout with -400HP is never Easy mode. Me Myself dual wield SMG's because i dedicate myself to hunting down scouts...
Totally is easy mode. 440 shields on 3/4 second recharge delay at 50 hp/s with a cloak and 8m/s sprint = yes, easy mode, as long as you're not a complete idiot and know when to disengage.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 05:07:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Awry Barux wrote:440 shields on 3/4 second recharge delay at 50 hp/s with a cloak and 8m/s sprint = yes, easy mode, as long as you're not a complete idiot and know when to disengage. While I'm not sure I'd use the word idiot, that last part is certainly key.
I would use the word idiot (obviously). Shields low? Multiple enemies nearby and not much cover to kite them around? Time to disengage. Seems patently obvious to me. Just as in EVE, running from a fight you cannot win = a victory.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 05:47:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Try it with aim assist off. 80% of your shots do not register, even on stationary targets.
Right, because things are balanced around having aim-assist off. Puh-lease, it's a console shooter, AA is part and parcel of literally 100% of controller FPS games.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 06:19:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Seriously ^. Scouts are well-balanced if you're not using the easy mode gun. The shotgun has always been balanced around the insanely low optimal. Now that it's trivial to get in to that range, it's just too easy. Double sidearms all day for the win.
That is all. Going to stop you right there. Awry Barux wrote:Now that it's trivial to get in to that range No. It isn't. You need to stay far enough away from enemies to avoid being seen (YES, YOU CAN SEE A CLOAKED PLAYER MOVING) while also getting in close enough to use your Shotgun. What's ACTUALLY trivial is countering a cloaked Scout who's relying on their "crutch" (cloak) to let them move in close. They trust in their partial invisibility, and a competent and alert player WILL see them moving, and if you don't kill them immediately, you know where they are and where they're going. Watch for the flanking approach, and watch as it fails miserably because you saw them coming.
Going to have to disagree completely. What you're saying may be true in PC or whatever, but do you know what percentage of pub players are "competent and alert"? In my estimation it's <10%.
As long as you follow pre-1.8 flanking strategies/routes, the cloak will increase your flanking success rate to upwards of 90%. If you didn't know how to flank before, the cloak won't save you, but if you were already flanking before 1.8, it's just too easy. The vast majority of my deaths now come from over-estimating how many reds I can successfully ambush in group, as opposed to getting picked off by that one red who happened to look behind the blob.
Mossellia Delt wrote:
If you use as , you're bad and should feel bad
No. It's built into the game and turned on by default, at a dev-determined level of strength. The idea that I should turn it off out of some sort of internet honor is truly hilarious. Your injunction to feel bad is ineffective.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:26:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:The title is presently held by Tankers.
The title was previously held by Gal Logi + Fine Rifle.
The Gal Logi was preceded by Cal Logi + Fine Rifle, of course.
The title will never be held by a class which weighs in at an average of 400 HP.
Good effort, but no dice. Too many things can instagib a Scout.
Regen > brick tank. After 3 engage/disengage cycles my scout has tanked more damage than most heavies can take, and that's without counting all the DPS avoided by fast strafing + small hitbox.
ANON Cerberus wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Seriously ^. Scouts are well-balanced if you're not using the easy mode gun. The shotgun has always been balanced around the insanely low optimal. Now that it's trivial to get in to that range, it's just too easy. Double sidearms all day for the win.
That is all. Mate the shotgun in this game is a total joke. Have you ever used a shotgun in like any other FPS game ever? The lack of range with shotguns in this game is lol worthy. If you let a shotgunner get within 4 or 5 meters of you, you deserve to be shot down.
Did you read the words I wrote?
1. IDGAF about other FPSes. Their shotguns don't shoot plasma.
2. Yes, the range is "lol worthy"- that's what balances the high alpha. The cloak has thrown this balance off by allowing scouts too much freedom to dictate range.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Awry Barux wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Seriously ^. Scouts are well-balanced if you're not using the easy mode gun. The shotgun has always been balanced around the insanely low optimal. Now that it's trivial to get in to that range, it's just too easy. Double sidearms all day for the win.
That is all. Running ina scout with -400HP is never Easy mode. Me Myself dual wield SMG's because i dedicate myself to hunting down scouts... Totally is easy mode. 440 shields on 3/4 second recharge delay at 50 hp/s with a cloak and 8m/s sprint = yes, easy mode, as long as you're not a complete idiot and know when to disengage. 440? thats tanked IMO
. I run 320 TOTAL, on a PROTO GAL scout.
:3
Well... I mean, yeah. Duh. When you're hunting mediums/heavies, there's no need for precision enhancers, and damage mods are all but worthless in comparison to extenders, so of course I stack shields. It's a combat suit- of course I'm going to tank it. EHP wins fights. Heavy shield tank leaves the lows free for range amps, giving me ~50m of scan radius. It's important to strike a balance between ewar and good old regular war.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.06 01:12:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Awry Barux wrote:
Well... I mean, yeah. Duh. When you're hunting mediums/heavies, there's no need for precision enhancers, and damage mods are all but worthless in comparison to extenders, so of course I stack shields. It's a combat suit- of course I'm going to tank it. EHP wins fights. Heavy shield tank leaves the lows free for range amps, giving me ~50m of scan radius. It's important to strike a balance between ewar and good old regular war.
Actually Ewar is pretty OP now, and if you tank your scout, you're doing it wrong. Tanky Scouts = another guy with a red triangle on his head when cloaked.
Don't rely on cloak so much then. I barely use mine except to avoid snipers/tanks/dropships while flanking. The EHP advantage will let you beat other scouts easily if you have decent situational awareness (WHICH CANNOT BE TAUGHT).
1m to the first one to name the reference.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.06 02:00:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Awry Barux wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Seriously ^. Scouts are well-balanced if you're not using the easy mode gun. The shotgun has always been balanced around the insanely low optimal. Now that it's trivial to get in to that range, it's just too easy. Double sidearms all day for the win.
That is all. Running ina scout with -400HP is never Easy mode. Me Myself dual wield SMG's because i dedicate myself to hunting down scouts... Totally is easy mode. 440 shields on 3/4 second recharge delay at 50 hp/s with a cloak and 8m/s sprint = yes, easy mode, as long as you're not a complete idiot and know when to disengage. ive tried every possible suit and none of them can get a 3/4 second charge delay
Sorry, I should have been clearer- I meant 3/4 in the same way that the Min Commando's delay is 6/10- 6 seconds non-depleted, 10 seconds depleted. Cal scout is 3 seconds non-depleted, 4 seconds depleted.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.06 04:21:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:RE: Aim-Assist aka Auto-Aim Awry Barux wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
If you use as , you're bad and should feel bad
No. It's built into the game and turned on by default, at a dev-determined level of strength. The idea that I should turn it off out of some sort of internet honor is truly hilarious. Your injunction to feel bad is ineffective. The exact same point could be used against all this cloak butthurt. LOL No. Cloak is built into the game at a dev-determined level of strength. The idea that I shouldn't use it out of some sort of internet honor is truly hilarious. Your injunction to feel bad is ineffective. Or... No. Keyboard/mouse support is built into the game and turned on by default, at a dev-determined level of strength. The idea that I shouldn't use it out of some sort of console controller honor is truly hilarious. Your injunction to feel bad is ineffective.
That's the great thing about that point.
Anyway, I never suggested that anyone not use anything- there's no such thing as internet video game honor. I just said some things are easier than others.
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