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The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 338	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:01:00 - [1] - Quote A proto swarm launcher with prof 5 and 2 complex mods on a proto minmatar commando suit which adds extra 10% damage does less damage than an advance swarm back in 1.6 before all the nerfs to swarms, dmg mods and prof.
Chris F2112 Pradox One Proficiency V. 562	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:04:00 - [2] - Quote Quite a bit has changed since then for vehicles. It's not really a fair comparison.
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 512	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:05:00 - [3] - Quote Swarms are 100% uselss against HAVs
Thanjac Ruthless Chaos 135	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:07:00 - [4] - Quote Swarms are okay against HAV, but suck at DS Proud Commando/ARC Instructor "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Cinder Integ Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 158	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:09:00 - [5] - Quote Buddha Brown wrote: Swarms are 100% uselss against HAVs Wrong Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
Leonid Tybalt Inner.Hell 438	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:10:00 - [6] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: A proto swarm launcher with prof 5 and 2 complex mods on a proto minmatar commando suit which adds extra 10% damage does less damage than an advance swarm back in 1.6 before all the nerfs to swarms, dmg mods and prof. However, the important question is: how effective is it against the current HAV's?
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 338	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:12:00 - [7] - Quote Not to mention decreasing lock on range by more than 55% and increasing lock on time. In addition tanks get shield and armor hardeners. Did i forget something? This is CCP's way to balance things? Add a bunch of weight on one side of the scale while removing a bunch of weight from the other side? That is why it takes forever to achieve balance!
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 513	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote Cinder Integ wrote: Buddha Brown wrote: Swarms are 100% uselss against HAVs Wrong Either the tanks are ** fit or a full squad of swarms firing simultaneously. They're ** w anything less than masterful coordination
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4891	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:23:00 - [9] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: A proto swarm launcher with prof 5 and 2 complex mods on a proto minmatar commando suit which adds extra 10% damage does less damage than an advance swarm back in 1.6 before all the nerfs to swarms, dmg mods and prof. And it still hurts a tank more than the pre-nerf version would against 1.7 tanks and the initial release of 1.8 before the hardener nerf.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 491	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:25:00 - [10] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: Quite a bit has changed since then for vehicles. It's not really a fair comparison. You're right. Tanks have gotten a lot stronger and tougher since then. It's a really unfair comparison; AV is getting right screwed over!

Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 549	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:26:00 - [11] - Quote Thanjac wrote: Swarms are okay against HAV, but suck at DS They sucks at : - HAV - LAV - DS YAY we can shoot turrets \o/
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 422	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:34:00 - [12] - Quote I neglected some of the things I should have skilled into to go level 5 prof 2 in swarms. My thought was that surely something so obviously and demonstrably broken would get fixed and I'd be ready for it. That didn't work out so well. Because, that's why.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 338	Posted - 2014.04.04 22:54:00 - [13] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I neglected some of the things I should have skilled into to go level 5 prof 2 in swarms. My thought was that surely something so obviously and demonstrably broken would get fixed and I'd be ready for it. That didn't work out so well. 10 after 1.8 was released and still no passive skill after spawning
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 375	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:25:00 - [14] - Quote I don't think the Commando bonus applies to swarms. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4621	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:36:00 - [15] - Quote The relock time is much shorter than it was before, though. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1501	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:38:00 - [16] - Quote Buddha Brown wrote: Cinder Integ wrote: Buddha Brown wrote: Swarms are 100% uselss against HAVs Wrong Either the tanks are ** fit or a full squad of swarms firing simultaneously. They're w anything less than masterful coordination What's up with all of you infantry? Why do you feel the need to be able to solo us? Balance now is perfect. One AV person cannot solo a tank unless the pilot is dumb, but one person is capable of forcing the tank to retreat. Is that not good enough for you? Well then ** you. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Ziero01 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2014.04.05 00:19:00 - [17] - Quote Actually yes, a Proto Swarm launcher with Pro 5 and complex damage mods should be able to solo a tank. Unlike every other weapon in the game, if you decide to use a swarm launcher you are specifically dedicating yourself to being anti-vehicle infantry. If you, as a dedicated Anti-Vehicle foot soldier can't take out the specific target you built that entire suit around, then what good are you? Swarm Launchers are the only weapon in the entire game that can not combat infantry, you are giving up that very important option in an attempt to be the best at fighting off things that can wipe infantry out by the dozens without even trying. For Swarms to be so laughable useless in the one and only thing they are capable of is ridiculous and leaves them as a waste of SP. That said, at the moment, literally ALL AV weapons are completely broken and useless. Swarms are nerfed to high hell with low damage, long lock speeds, no range and slow projectiles. Forge Guns are bugged to hell and back with their phantom firing issues, which will seem to the player like a round was fired off but in reality nothing happened and they're just sitting ducks with a bright glowing "Shoot Me" sign in their hands. And plasma Cannons never worked from the start, short range, slow projectiles, long reloads, difficult to aim and not even that much damage. But at least with Forge and Plasma cannons, a player still manages to maintain SOME ability to defend themselves against Infantry. With Swarms, you're literally defenseless as soon as you pull them out. At this point in time, AV infantry is pretty much useless, and it shows every time there's a match where 4 tanks and 2 dropships completely decimate the otherside.


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