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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2014.04.03 04:28:00 -
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I'm posting this on behalf of all of those Caldari and Minmatar shield Sentinels. There needs to be a repair tool for Shields!
Just watching some of my mates play I notice there is a major disadvantage between a Shield Tanking Sentinel and an Armor Tanking Sentinel. And that is the fact that the current repair tool will not help sustain a Shield Tanker.
Some of you are probably going to say: 'Well, what if its a Minmatar logi with a core focus repair tool,' well that's only good for armor, there is nothing for shields. For those of you who would say Shields regenerate anyway, this regeneration does not help sustain a Shield Sentinel in a long engagement, rendering their abilities to take damage useless. Also if they take enough damage, the 400-500 armor they have will not be enough to sustain them even with a current rep tool on them.
So I propose a change to repair tools. And the change is simple. Every Repair tool should repair a small amount of shields as well as armor. There should also be rep tools that rep a large amount of shields and some armor. Or (a much simpler option) have a repair tool for armor and a repair tool for shields. Those with shield reppers should also receive triage and guardian points.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2014.04.03 05:06:00 -
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Cross reference:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2017715#post2017715
Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1301
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:19:00 -
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The biggest issue with shield reps is the way they boost eHP for armor tanks aswell.
When you're being armor repaired, chances are, you are already or very soon to be out of shields and into cooldown. This means that the amount of eHP gained through armor reppers before you die is generally bound by your armor buffer+passive repair. This makes armor reps most effective on armor tanks and rightly so.
Conversely, a shield repaired suit gets full benefit of these repairs even if it's actually an armor tank. The repper keeps providing more eHP by adding small amounts of extra shields for the whole time until the all armor is depleted and the suit lost. Thus, hybrid/shield reppers provide equal or increased benefit to hybrid/armor tanks which is exactly backwards to what I assume is their intented effect.
Concerning hybrid reps. It also has to be considered that the two tank paradigms are designed to work differently and their numbers are set accordingly. If you make shields and armor more mechanically similar, you might end up having to make them numerically more similar.
When one paradigm doesn't work that well where it should, the first step should be to tweak some numbers around to better define the strengths and weaknesses of both tank types before changing the way both function on a pretty fundamental level. Remember that shields would gain a function ("can be repaired") they weren't necessarily intended to have* and armor would get, essentially, another type of repper they partially/fully benefit from.
An alternative to shield reps which avoids some of these issues would be a shield resistance boosting module. This gives shield dedicated logibros a way to support shield tanks but without benefiting armor tanks too much along with it as it doesn't circumvent the shields innate dependency on recharge and cooldown the way reps would do.
*On infantry, anyways. The Caldari LLAV had infantry targeting shield reps but both are gone right now and no one knows if they get to keep this particular ability on their return.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
657
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Posted - 2014.04.03 08:10:00 -
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What's a cal sentinel reach with energizers? like 113-119 a second?
Armor gets a max of 25 27 if your gallente and 33.25 if your a gallente logi lol. Can so robe check my math? Sounds right in my head.
Learn to use a shield tank properly and ask ccp to make shields passive like they should be.
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Odigos Ellinas
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.04.03 09:25:00 -
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Maybe they gone bring out racial equipment like they do the weapons.
minmatar remote repair tool for armor
caldari remote repair tool for shields
gallant remote repair tool for 70%armor 30%shield
amarr remote repair tool for 30%armor 70%shield
and logic will have bonus on there racial equipment. Like assaults and commandos have now on their racial weapons. |
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