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Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 487	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:39:00 - [1] - Quote There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP I can't even count how many times I have been in one of those city maps and only heard the sound of RE's going down and my self and the rest of my squad ran like hell just at the sound of them for these reasons... 1. the bastard is just shy of being completely invisible and you always catch them when it's too late 2. Basic RE's insta kill almost and suit no matter the fit 3. If the RE's don't get you the lil prick will get you with his shotgun I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot. closed beta Vet "When in doubt, C-4"
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1066	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:47:00 - [2] - Quote whistles while cloaking and walks the other way Proficiency X in Rage, No-Scopes, and Mass Driver Direct Hits Nova Knife Operation lvl 5 \m/ Amateur Proficiency X
Skihids Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3234	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:51:00 - [3] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP I can't even count how many times I have been in one of those city maps and only heard the sound of RE's going down and my self and the rest of my squad ran like hell just at the sound of them for these reasons... 1. the bastard is just shy of being completely invisible and you always catch them when it's too late 2. Basic RE's insta kill almost and suit no matter the fit 3. If the RE's don't get you the lil prick will get you with his shotgun I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot. But then how can they make Logi suits obsolete?
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4762	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:54:00 - [4] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something..... ''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.'' GO AWAY TROLL. CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 543	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:54:00 - [5] - Quote Cool guys don't look at EXPLOSIONS! We can pickle that.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4821	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:13:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: [b]So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? I believe this is known as "Cotsy Logic". It's related to Insane Troll Logic, except that it makes slightly less sense while sharing the same ability to inspire a vague sense of unease in anyone who tries to figure out exactly how its user thought they were making a valid point.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1730	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:33:00 - [7] - Quote No recloak after uncloak and we're good. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1733	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:39:00 - [8] - Quote i used to do that in a logi suit all through 1.0-1.7 nobody complained then.
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1000	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:02:00 - [9] - Quote Remotes are scannable by active scanners now no? They are also not Cloaked or invisible themselves. Do you really need to rely on seeing the Scout placing the Remotes to know they are there? That is just poor situational awareness and you would have died with or without the Cloak.
Cotsy8 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 211	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:02:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: [b]So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? I believe this is known as "Cotsy Logic". It's related to Insane Troll Logic, except that it makes slightly less sense while sharing the same ability to inspire a vague sense of unease in anyone who tries to figure out exactly how its user thought they were making a valid point. If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk, yet it offers the highest of rewards defensively and offensively. You're just a **** and can't offer any reason for cloaks to be included, maybe you're state school or JUCO education isn't worth the paper it's written on. Your not intelligent enough to make an argument for your cloak. In a week no one can provide 5 reasons the cloak should be included in the game. I can provide a detailed list of reasons why it's not required, how its easy mode button, and a crutch for bad players. Because you use to take the short bus to school. I've even given you some arguments dumbasses can use: "get good", "eyes are OP", "EVE has cloaks", and "I need them to be good". Take your pick Mensa. You just are a *** who has no skill and sees the cloak as your saviour doesn't mean the item is fair, balanced, or required. Seems like you don't have the skill necessary to use a fragile suit without a cloak, so maybe you should consider going to another class. And yes, lack of awareness should be punished. Maybe you or your in-bread parents should have signed you up to some philosophy classes, learn how logic and arguments are used to prove or disprove opinions. Edit: still waiting on your valid points, it's been a week. Having a hard time "thinking"?

Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 104	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:36:00 - [11] - Quote Cloaks are countered and pre-1.8 I was getting plenty of kills with REs and am still... Now I have shotgun, SMG, REs and nanohives. Cloaks can be countered: Eyes Explosives eWar, and not just by other scouts but by scanners REs can be shot from a distance or fluxed. Also the bleed out trigger isn't working anymore. Also there are more resists to them now. Its not like redline Sentinal snipers who can scuttle back behind a ridge and the only hard counter is another sniper. Scouts will be either easier to see (bricked and no Dampeners) or fast and silent but have less eHP then equipment they carry.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4823	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:57:00 - [12] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk, yet it offers the highest of rewards defensively and offensively. You're just a **** and can't offer any reason for cloaks to be included, maybe you're state school or JUCO education isn't worth the paper it's written on. If I want MY crutch? Of the two of us, YOU'RE the one who actually runs cloaks. GG. Quote: Your not intelligent enough to make an argument for your cloak. In a week no one can provide 5 reasons the cloak should be included in the game. I can provide a detailed list of reasons why it's not required, how its easy mode button, and a crutch for bad players. Because you use to take the short bus to school. I've even given you some arguments dumbasses can use: "get good", "eyes are OP", "EVE has cloaks", and "I need them to be good". Take your pick Mensa. There is no "need" for cloaks to exist. There is no "need" for DUST to exist at all. Provide 5 valid reasons why this game is "needed" and you might conceivably have a valid argument when you say that cloaking is unnecessary. Even then, you can't negate the fact that cloaking is something which is an established part of New Eden, and which is perfectly reasonable to include in a game within this setting, whether it's needed or not. You also can't counter the argument that adding something into a GAME because it's fun is a good reason. GAMES are about FUN, so when something can be FUN, it's a good idea to consider adding that to your GAME. You're the one claiming cloaks are an OP "crutch" with "no drawbacks" in the face of many others explaining why you're wrong. The burden of proof is on you to prove your minority belief, not on us to prove what everyone else already knows. When you can provide 5 reasons why the cloak is actually unfair to use - NOT including anecdotal evidence, but using hard facts - then you are successfully defending your argument instead of making yourself look like a spoilt brat who's too used to getting his own way and can't handle the possibility that someone else is doing anything other than acceding to your petty demands. And if you're going to accuse someone else of being stupid, make sure you aren't providing them with basic grammatical errors like using "your" instead of "you're" to turn the tables back on you. It's also "because you used to" not "because you use to", but your familiarity with the concept suggests that maybe that's how you got to school. Quote: You just are a * who has no skill and sees the cloak as your saviour doesn't mean the item is fair, balanced, or required. Seems like you don't have the skill necessary to use a fragile suit without a cloak, so maybe you should consider going to another class. Again, I DON'T USE THE CLOAK. I COUNTER IT ANYWAY. In Militia Medium Frames as well as my own NON-CLOAKING Scout suit. If YOU can't do well in a Scout suit without a cloak, maybe YOU'RE the one who needs to learn how to play better? And if you can't counter a cloaker without resorting to your own cloak, maybe you need your eyes checked while you're at it. Quote:** And yes, lack of awareness should be punished. Maybe you or your in-bread parents should have signed you up to some philosophy classes, learn how logic and arguments are used to prove or disprove opinions. Edit: still waiting on your valid points, it's been a week. Having a hard time "thinking"? You haven't responded to my valid points in any other thread. You've ignored them and ranted with your own lack of validity instead of actually trying to defend yourself. Every time I've posted something prior to your response in this thread, you've either ignored my post and carried on with your barely-coherent unchanging argument without acknowledging the logical counters people have provided, or you've disappeared from the thread, never to return. You say that cloaking lets players get away with things they should be punished for. Taking a risk running through the open near an enemy should be punished IF the enemy is alert and sees you. And if you're cloaked, it DOESN'T make you invisible enough to negate the fact that an alert enemy WILL see you and WILL PUNISH YOU. It's only when the person you're sneaking past ISN'T alert that you avoid getting punished, at which point, YOU'RE PUNISHING THEIR MISTAKE. The cloak doesn't stop people from being punished for making mistakes, it makes sure the people who are ACTUALLY making mistakes are punished. I've previously said that I haven't had anyone use a cloak to get by me in a situation where they couldn't have done it without the cloak. That's no longer true. There was a match I was playing last night where I had a cloaked enemy slip past me and get a Shotgun to my back. Why? Did the cloak magically make them more invisible than usual? NOPE. The reason they got past is BECAUSE I WAS DISTRACTED. I let my focus slip away from the game, and I paid for it. As I should. If the enemy hadn't been cloaked, the more obviously visible movement would (probably) have caught my eye and snapped me back to alertness, and I might have gotten away with my lapse and killed someone who fully deserved to kill me because I HADN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. Also, it's "inbred" not "in-bread" - unless you're saying that I'm the son of a filled roll? Once again, ad hominem attacks on someone's intelligence are best used without making yourself look like the idiot. I recommend passing a few English papers before you try calling me out on my intelligence again.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1527	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:37:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something..... ''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.'' GO AWAY TROLL. Pauses replaying Fallout 3 Marks off another day on the way to a PS4. Why is everyone running SCOUT? Why was everyone running CORE FLAYLOCK? Why was everyone running TAC AR? Why was everyone running fused contact grenades? For the same reasons. And CCPs response will also be the same. Continues replaying Fallout 3. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 757	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:45:00 - [14] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something..... ''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.'' GO AWAY TROLL. Pauses replaying Fallout 3 Marks off another day on the way to a PS4. Why is everyone running SCOUT? Why was everyone running CORE FLAYLOCK? Why was everyone running TAC AR? Why was everyone running fused contact grenades? For the same reasons. And CCPs response will also be the same. Continues replaying Fallout 3. Tbh scouts aren't really THAT overused Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Vesperz D3ATH CARD 69	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:58:00 - [15] - Quote Sometimes I wish I never found out about these forums. Why do I keep checking on them?? :'( Live by honor, kill by stealth.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 442	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:02:00 - [16] - Quote Vesperz wrote: Sometimes I wish I never found out about these forums. Why do I keep checking on them?? :'( Cause nothing is better than a good train wreck or in the case of the Forums a couple every minute.
KGB Sleep 966	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:05:00 - [17] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP I can't even count how many times I have been in one of those city maps and only heard the sound of RE's going down and my self and the rest of my squad ran like hell just at the sound of them for these reasons... 1. the bastard is just shy of being completely invisible and you always catch them when it's too late 2. Basic RE's insta kill almost and suit no matter the fit 3. If the RE's don't get you the lil prick will get you with his shotgun I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot. Everything that is happening now was happening before cloaks. Here's a video. Because beer, that's why.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 442	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:15:00 - [18] - Quote Nothings better than shooting an enemy RE as a blueberry walks by. Bye bye Mr. Blueberry
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 928	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:23:00 - [19] - Quote I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, RE's should not be throwables like they are now but instead should require time to set them (0.75-1.25sec? 1.25-1.5sec?) If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me! 28
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4827	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:47:00 - [20] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, RE's should not be throwables like they are now but instead should require time to set them (0.75-1.25sec? 1.25-1.5sec?) REs are designed to be thrown and stuck onto objects. They should stick when they hit the ground instead of sliding. Reduce throw range a little, and problem solved WITHOUT ruining several legitimate uses for them (including the best methods of using them as AV weapons).

Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 109	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:14:00 - [21] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Nothings better than shooting an enemy RE as a blueberry walks by. Bye bye Mr. Blueberry I would have saved at least 30 blueberrie's lives if this didn't kill them. STOP HACKING YOU IDIOT!!! (boom)
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 929	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:27:00 - [22] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, RE's should not be throwables like they are now but instead should require time to set them (0.75-1.25sec? 1.25-1.5sec?) REs are designed to be thrown and stuck onto objects. They should stick when they hit the ground instead of sliding. Reduce throw range a little, and problem solved WITHOUT ruining several legitimate uses for them (including the best methods of using them as AV weapons). This would be fine also and I have to admit that I forgot the AV use of the RE If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me! 28
Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. 48	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:28:00 - [23] - Quote Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 490	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:21:00 - [24] - Quote Retarn Dominus wrote: Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Did you experience the death frisbys of precourser? I did and these is almost no way to combat them, mycore is maxed no matter what happens, you dirty scouts deserve to get the nerf bat just like HAVS closed beta Vet "When in doubt, C-4"
Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. 48	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:58:00 - [25] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Retarn Dominus wrote: Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Did you experience the death frisbys of precourser? I did and these is almost no way to combat them, mycore is maxed no matter what happens, you dirty scouts deserve to get the nerf bat just like HAVS LOL Guess you will have to use yer eyes its not like we are totally invisible ya know. Also, theres also no way to combat a weapon thats already trained on you or that grenade that gets thrown at your feet or that Mass Driver when you stuck in cover or that sniper that takes your head off or against farming uplinks or.....do i need to go on? Theres no real way of combating anything if used correctly. For the record i have killed 4 cloaked scouts today whilst i wasn't cloaked. I simply used my ermmm eyes :) Only thing i would say in the defence of all you tin cans is that i feelthe cloak should de-activate if fluxed. Other than that, adapt. What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1531	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:33:00 - [26] - Quote Retarn Dominus wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Retarn Dominus wrote: Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Did you experience the death frisbys of precourser? I did and these is almost no way to combat them, mycore is maxed no matter what happens, you dirty scouts deserve to get the nerf bat just like HAVS LOL Guess you will have to use yer eyes its not like we are totally invisible ya know. Also, theres also no way to combat a weapon thats already trained on you or that grenade that gets thrown at your feet or that Mass Driver when you stuck in cover or that sniper that takes your head off or against farming uplinks or.....do i need to go on? Theres no real way of combating anything if used correctly. For the record i have killed 4 cloaked scouts today whilst i wasn't cloaked. I simply used my ermmm eyes :) Only thing i would say in the defence of all you tin cans is that i feelthe cloak should de-activate if fluxed. Other than that, adapt. checks to see if Playstation 4 is in stock the ps4 will fix any dust 514 problems #DEALWITHIT Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
THE SHR3DD3R THE FOOTCLAN 3	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:02:00 - [27] - Quote Don't even friggen start with this cloak and re and wait crap! How you know he did this cloaked? I been doing it uncloaked for a yr so don't even blame that crap on cloaks, people die cuz they don't bother reminding themselves THERE IN A FRIGGEN WAR AND YOU CAN'T JUST RUN EVERYWHERE AN BARGE THROUGH ROOM DOORS AND NOT EXPECT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT COULD KILL YOU!
THE SHR3DD3R THE FOOTCLAN 3	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:06:00 - [28] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: whistles while cloaking and walks the other way Here you go http://m.soundcloud.com/ozarow/kiil-the-snitch-different-hook
Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. 48	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:12:00 - [29] - Quote THE SHR3DD3R wrote: Don't even friggen start with this cloak and re and wait crap! How you know he did this cloaked? I been doing it uncloaked for a yr so don't even blame that crap on cloaks, people die cuz they don't bother reminding themselves THERE IN A FRIGGEN WAR AND YOU CAN'T JUST RUN EVERYWHERE AN BARGE THROUGH ROOM DOORS AND NOT EXPECT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT COULD KILL YOU! ^ This What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 877	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:34:00 - [30] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP I can't even count how many times I have been in one of those city maps and only heard the sound of RE's going down and my self and the rest of my squad ran like hell just at the sound of them for these reasons... 1. the bastard is just shy of being completely invisible and you always catch them when it's too late 2. Basic RE's insta kill almost and suit no matter the fit 3. If the RE's don't get you the lil prick will get you with his shotgun I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot. I have done this before the cloak as well...quite funny to sneak up a three snipers sitting in a row and throw a remote between them and boom...also before the cloak I laid RE traps quite often and it works nearly every time you would be surprised how many chases a scout around corners seeking for an easy kill.... And RE's can be spotted if I die to them its mostly my fault...

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12006	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:37:00 - [31] - Quote ITT: An ancient forum warrior smites an insane noob with a wall of logical text. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Nomed Deeps 311	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:52:00 - [32] - Quote Quite honestly, I never understood the bonus equipment slot for the Scout in 1.8. If a Scout wants to use cloak, they could use the one equipment slot they used to have. If the Scout then wants ammo or otherwise, that is what logis are for. I am fine with Scouts having their speed and even being able to tank now but being able to have bonus equipment slots in 1.8 makes no sense to me. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 137	Posted - 2014.04.03 15:07:00 - [33] - Quote Retarn Dominus wrote: Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Sounds like we have a huge case of: "I used to be UP so now I deserve to be OP" No sounder logic available. Good luck convincing people you aren't full of **** while its pouring out your mouth. This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. 48	Posted - 2014.04.03 15:16:00 - [34] - Quote Sarus Rambo wrote: Retarn Dominus wrote: Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Sounds like we have a huge case of: "I used to be UP so now I deserve to be OP" No sounder logic available. Good luck convincing people you aren't full of **** while its pouring out your mouth. How rude. As mentioned. We all wasted you tin cans before 1.8. Now you wanna cry OP cause you don't know how to deal with it or don't want to deal with it because you can't deal with change. Your loss dude. BTW i chose scout when i knew they was UP simply due to the challenges it created and do you know what. I never moaned about it once. I got on with it and worked hard to make it work for me. You might be the one that needs to brush your teeth What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 492	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:14:00 - [35] - Quote I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever closed beta Vet "When in doubt, C-4"
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 202	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:22:00 - [36] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP I can't even count how many times I have been in one of those city maps and only heard the sound of RE's going down and my self and the rest of my squad ran like hell just at the sound of them for these reasons... 1. the bastard is just shy of being completely invisible and you always catch them when it's too late 2. Basic RE's insta kill almost and suit no matter the fit 3. If the RE's don't get you the lil prick will get you with his shotgun I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot. It's pretty easy to see us, it's just a matter of how we scouts use the environment to our advantage in which some situations we are able to efficiently camouflage ourselves allowing us to get our kills. Clearly we're not "shy of being" invisible. And RE's don't insta kill most heavies, they can easily tank an RE, sure that's limiting but that's the point of having an RE, to force your enemies to be smarter (i.e. checking the objective before hacking). And lastly, if you're going into tight spaces with a scout, think twice before you do. Seriously. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
thecoolest guy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 18	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:25:00 - [37] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever I went 96-0 in Ambush using this same setup. I've never played an FPS in my life. Seriously man, stop exaggerating. Let me know how you do with this setup when you actually play against a team that has even a few skilled players on it.
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1301	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:33:00 - [38] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: [b]So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? I believe this is known as "Cotsy Logic". It's related to Insane Troll Logic, except that it makes slightly less sense while sharing the same ability to inspire a vague sense of unease in anyone who tries to figure out exactly how its user thought they were making a valid point. If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk, yet it offers the highest of rewards defensively and offensively. You're just a **** and can't offer any reason for cloaks to be included, maybe you're state school or JUCO education isn't worth the paper it's written on. Your not intelligent enough to make an argument for your cloak. In a week no one can provide 5 reasons the cloak should be included in the game. I can provide a detailed list of reasons why it's not required, how its easy mode button, and a crutch for bad players. Because you use to take the short bus to school. I've even given you some arguments dumbasses can use: "get good", "eyes are OP", "EVE has cloaks", and "I need them to be good". Take your pick Mensa. You just are a *** who has no skill and sees the cloak as your saviour doesn't mean the item is fair, balanced, or required. Seems like you don't have the skill necessary to use a fragile suit without a cloak, so maybe you should consider going to another class. And yes, lack of awareness should be punished. Maybe you or your in-bread parents should have signed you up to some philosophy classes, learn how logic and arguments are used to prove or disprove opinions. Edit: still waiting on your valid points, it's been a week. Having a hard time "thinking"? Here comes Cotsy to fill the forums with his tears! The cloak only punishes bad unaware players.
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1301	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:39:00 - [39] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Retarn Dominus wrote: Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Did you experience the death frisbys of precourser? I did and these is almost no way to combat them, mycore is maxed no matter what happens, you dirty scouts deserve to get the nerf bat just like HAVS Precision mods Nuff said
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 206	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:53:00 - [40] - Quote RE's are not in a bad place right now. I suppose you could make it so they don't explode when shot (I can provide a plausible argument for why this might be the case if you like) or give them a profile of 14-20db so that dedicated scanners/scouts with high precision could detect them. (this might also give more of a reason to use higher meta REs... lower profile, I like ewar options). However, neither of these is absolutely necessary. The de-cloak animation could proceed faster, but it really isn't a game breaker either. Getting blown up by RE's or shot in the back with a shotgun messes with your pride, but I don't think either is happening appreciably more often because of cloaks. Rather, there just happens to be more scouts. Good scouts are still good and bad ones get an ignominious death as they overestimate how hard it is to see a shimmering blue outline. Cheers, Aramis

RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:41:00 - [41] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ITT: An ancient forum warrior smites an insane noob with a wall of logical text. Thank you! Your comment was the only one short enough for me to want to read! Informative too! We can pickle that.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 878	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:53:00 - [42] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something..... ''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.'' GO AWAY TROLL. Pauses replaying Fallout 3 Marks off another day on the way to a PS4. Why is everyone running SCOUT? Why was everyone running CORE FLAYLOCK? Why was everyone running TAC AR? Why was everyone running fused contact grenades? For the same reasons. And CCPs response will also be the same. Continues replaying Fallout 3. To be honest I see more heavies and meds than scouts...(and yes I count cloaked as well as I normally see them). It is true their are more scouts now but not to degree that all I see is scouts...
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 400	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:02:00 - [43] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something..... ''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.'' GO AWAY TROLL. The times I have had trouble with this the put the RE on uplinks. No way to see that as you spawn in. Because, that's why.
THE SHR3DD3R THE FOOTCLAN 5	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:26:00 - [44] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin! 1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out? Man get outta here fibber
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 400	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:01:00 - [45] - Quote THE SHR3DD3R wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin! 1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out? Man get outta here fibber I wondered about that too. You have a dragonfly in cold storage you have never used? Seems very unlikely. 32-1, that's a good game for good scout, very unlikely. I think there are some small issues regarding cloaked scouts but they only require some tweaking to fix. They aren't game breakers like the tank situation was. On the plus side, my MD is finally worth playing. Because, that's why.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1664	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:04:00 - [46] - Quote RE's are fine. A Welcomed playstyle in DUST... Definitely Makes you go "Dumbass" to yourself when you run into a RE trap... It's glorious. Even though i have had a couple facepalms The Cloaking animation by consensus needs a bit of tweaking.. Right now there is a delayed de-cloak after switch equipment or to weapon... that still leaves you somewhat cloaked instead of insta de-cloaking you. That's really the only issue. Everything else can be countered or defended with thought and strategy.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4775	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:58:00 - [47] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? I believe this is known as "Cotsy Logic". It's related to Insane Troll Logic , except that it makes slightly less sense while sharing the same ability to inspire a vague sense of unease in anyone who tries to figure out exactly how its user thought they were making a valid point. If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk, yet it offers the highest of rewards defensively and offensively. You're just a **** and can't offer any reason for cloaks to be included, maybe you're state school or JUCO education isn't worth the paper it's written on. Your not intelligent enough to make an argument for your cloak. I......? Here is a good argument for you Cotsy. You already admitted using the cloak yourself; thats how you ''know its OP'' If its so OP and you use it, how come you do so bad every time you play. Sometimes even with corp mates?....** [b] I'll tell you why. because you still need skill to be good with it. If you dont have skill and the correct skill book, you are just anoder shade with a red triangle over your head asking to be shot in the back.... CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 210	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:22:00 - [48] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak throws RE's everywhere cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something..... ''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.'' GO AWAY TROLL. Lack of awareness=l2p the reason people have problems cloak
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 492	Posted - 2014.04.04 15:45:00 - [49] - Quote THE SHR3DD3R wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin! 1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out? Man get outta here fibber http://i.imgur.com/CyTjzdP.jpg Dragon fly scout [bpo] no skill invest BPO shotgun no skill invest Basic cloak 18,660 sp Basic armor plate Basic shield extender Toxin icd-9 Smg CPU upgrade basic Total cost: 5,160 isk Fast enough to get away with enough tank to last a few seconds (note I have maxed core skills to make this work) This is why scouts are OP never ran a scout before and 33/11 you ask any of the people from my corp on that board they will all say the same thing closed beta Vet "When in doubt, C-4"
Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. 49	Posted - 2014.04.08 08:55:00 - [50] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: THE SHR3DD3R wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin! 1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out? Man get outta here fibber http://i.imgur.com/CyTjzdP.jpg Dragon fly scout [bpo] no skill invest BPO shotgun no skill invest Basic cloak 18,660 sp Basic armor plate Basic shield extender Toxin icd-9 Smg CPU upgrade basic Total cost: 5,160 isk Fast enough to get away with enough tank to last a few seconds (note I have maxed core skills to make this work) This is why scouts are OP never ran a scout before and 33/11 you ask any of the people from my corp on that board they will all say the same thing Nice going. It is only 3.00 ish KDR so not exactly OP. What KDRs do you normally get in your regular fits? Also your overall cost would be a far higher % increase if ya didn't use ya freebies. Either way. Nice going. What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM

Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 104	Posted - 2014.04.08 09:12:00 - [51] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: [quote=Garrett Blacknova] If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk Where's the drawback to Drop Uplinks? Nanohives? Nanite Injectors? Active Scanners? Remote Explosives? Proximity Mines? Repair Tools? How about you consider for a moment the fact that the cloaking module is the only equipment that cannot directly give warpoints.
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 524	Posted - 2014.04.08 11:56:00 - [52] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: [quote=Garrett Blacknova] If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk Where's the drawback to Drop Uplinks? Nanohives? Nanite Injectors? Active Scanners? Remote Explosives? Proximity Mines? Repair Tools? How about you consider for a moment the fact that the cloaking module is the only equipment that cannot directly give warpoints. Nano hives - you need to be a cal logi to make them most effective Uplinks - amarr logi to be most effective Injectors are kinda meh anyway and there not game breaking OP Have you used active scanners ? Re's are situational Proximity mines only work in huge clumps Rep tool- min logi Cloak - makes getting anything incredibly easy closed beta Vet "The mashed up corpses of red Berrys make for great track lube"
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1374	Posted - 2014.04.08 12:44:00 - [53] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i used to do that in a logi suit all through 1.0-1.7 nobody complained then. Same... RE's killed me more before 1.8..... Besides all the tanks hiding every 2 seconds.... Thank those Cloaked RE scouts, rather than bitching about it


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