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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12006
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Posted - 2014.04.03 14:37:00 -
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ITT: An ancient forum warrior smites an insane noob with a wall of logical text.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Nomed Deeps
311
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Posted - 2014.04.03 14:52:00 -
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Quite honestly, I never understood the bonus equipment slot for the Scout in 1.8. If a Scout wants to use cloak, they could use the one equipment slot they used to have. If the Scout then wants ammo or otherwise, that is what logis are for. I am fine with Scouts having their speed and even being able to tank now but being able to have bonus equipment slots in 1.8 makes no sense to me.
I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
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Sarus Rambo
Direct Action Resources
137
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Posted - 2014.04.03 15:07:00 -
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Retarn Dominus wrote:Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently
Sounds like we have a huge case of: "I used to be UP so now I deserve to be OP" No sounder logic available. Good luck convincing people you aren't full of **** while its pouring out your mouth.
This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
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Retarn Dominus
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
48
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Posted - 2014.04.03 15:16:00 -
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Sarus Rambo wrote:Retarn Dominus wrote:Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Sounds like we have a huge case of: "I used to be UP so now I deserve to be OP" No sounder logic available. Good luck convincing people you aren't full of **** while its pouring out your mouth.
How rude. As mentioned. We all wasted you tin cans before 1.8. Now you wanna cry OP cause you don't know how to deal with it or don't want to deal with it because you can't deal with change. Your loss dude. BTW i chose scout when i knew they was UP simply due to the challenges it created and do you know what. I never moaned about it once. I got on with it and worked hard to make it work for me. You might be the one that needs to brush your teeth
What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
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Sev Alcatraz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
492
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:14:00 -
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I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever
closed beta Vet
"When in doubt, C-4"
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
202
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:22:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak *throws RE's everywhere* cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP
I can't even count how many times I have been in one of those city maps and only heard the sound of RE's going down and my self and the rest of my squad ran like hell just at the sound of them for these reasons...
1. the bastard is just shy of being completely invisible and you always catch them when it's too late 2. Basic RE's insta kill almost and suit no matter the fit 3. If the RE's don't get you the lil prick will get you with his shotgun
I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.
It's pretty easy to see us, it's just a matter of how we scouts use the environment to our advantage in which some situations we are able to efficiently camouflage ourselves allowing us to get our kills. Clearly we're not "shy of being" invisible. And RE's don't insta kill most heavies, they can easily tank an RE, sure that's limiting but that's the point of having an RE, to force your enemies to be smarter (i.e. checking the objective before hacking). And lastly, if you're going into tight spaces with a scout, think twice before you do. Seriously.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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thecoolest guy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
18
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:25:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever
I went 96-0 in Ambush using this same setup. I've never played an FPS in my life.
Seriously man, stop exaggerating. Let me know how you do with this setup when you actually play against a team that has even a few skilled players on it. |
Dexter307
the unholy legion of darkstar
1301
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:33:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:[b]So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? I believe this is known as "Cotsy Logic". It's related to Insane Troll Logic, except that it makes slightly less sense while sharing the same ability to inspire a vague sense of unease in anyone who tries to figure out exactly how its user thought they were making a valid point. If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk, yet it offers the highest of rewards defensively and offensively. You're just a ****** and can't offer any reason for cloaks to be included, maybe you're state school or JUCO education isn't worth the paper it's written on. Your not intelligent enough to make an argument for your cloak. In a week no one can provide 5 reasons the cloak should be included in the game. I can provide a detailed list of reasons why it's not required, how its easy mode button, and a crutch for bad players. Because you use to take the short bus to school. I've even given you some arguments dumbasses can use: "get good", "eyes are OP", "EVE has cloaks", and "I need them to be good". Take your pick Mensa. You just are a ***** who has no skill and sees the cloak as your saviour doesn't mean the item is fair, balanced, or required. Seems like you don't have the skill necessary to use a fragile suit without a cloak, so maybe you should consider going to another class. And yes, lack of awareness should be punished. Maybe you or your in-bread parents should have signed you up to some philosophy classes, learn how logic and arguments are used to prove or disprove opinions. Edit: still waiting on your valid points, it's been a week. Having a hard time "thinking"? Here comes Cotsy to fill the forums with his tears! The cloak only punishes bad unaware players.
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Dexter307
the unholy legion of darkstar
1301
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:39:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Retarn Dominus wrote:Deal with it. Be aware. Invest in Precision skills and mods Amplicfication, squad up with scanner users. Never stay still for one second or we WILL blow your head off. The best Mercs adapt to the changes of warfare or they would be left in lots of tiny pieces in the dust (pun intended) BTW I used to kill more Mercs as a scout with REs pre 1.8. We trained hard and died lots in our uncloaked fits pre 1.8. Nows its our time to show you what we can do and if we russle some feathers and keep you awake all night then we are doing our jobs. Edited: BTW some Sentinels have surived my REs recently Did you experience the death frisbys of precourser? I did and these is almost no way to combat them, mycore is maxed no matter what happens, you dirty scouts deserve to get the nerf bat just like HAVS Precision mods Nuff said |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
206
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:53:00 -
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RE's are not in a bad place right now. I suppose you could make it so they don't explode when shot (I can provide a plausible argument for why this might be the case if you like) or give them a profile of 14-20db so that dedicated scanners/scouts with high precision could detect them. (this might also give more of a reason to use higher meta REs... lower profile, I like ewar options). However, neither of these is absolutely necessary. The de-cloak animation could proceed faster, but it really isn't a game breaker either. Getting blown up by RE's or shot in the back with a shotgun messes with your pride, but I don't think either is happening appreciably more often because of cloaks. Rather, there just happens to be more scouts. Good scouts are still good and bad ones get an ignominious death as they overestimate how hard it is to see a shimmering blue outline.
Cheers,
Aramis |
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
550
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:41:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:ITT: An ancient forum warrior smites an insane noob with a wall of logical text.
Thank you! Your comment was the only one short enough for me to want to read! Informative too!
We can pickle that.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
878
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:53:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak *throws RE's everywhere* cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something.....''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.''GO AWAY TROLL. Pauses replaying Fallout 3 Marks off another day on the way to a PS4. Why is everyone running SCOUT? Why was everyone running CORE FLAYLOCK? Why was everyone running TAC AR? Why was everyone running fused contact grenades? For the same reasons. And CCPs response will also be the same. Continues replaying Fallout 3.
To be honest I see more heavies and meds than scouts...(and yes I count cloaked as well as I normally see them). It is true their are more scouts now but not to degree that all I see is scouts...
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
400
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak *throws RE's everywhere* cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something.....''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.''GO AWAY TROLL.
The times I have had trouble with this the put the RE on uplinks. No way to see that as you spawn in.
Because, that's why.
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THE SHR3DD3R
THE FOOTCLAN
5
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:26:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin!
1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out?
Man get outta here fibber |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
400
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:01:00 -
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THE SHR3DD3R wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin! 1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out? Man get outta here fibber
I wondered about that too. You have a dragonfly in cold storage you have never used? Seems very unlikely. 32-1, that's a good game for good scout, very unlikely.
I think there are some small issues regarding cloaked scouts but they only require some tweaking to fix. They aren't game breakers like the tank situation was. On the plus side, my MD is finally worth playing.
Because, that's why.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1664
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:04:00 -
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RE's are fine. A Welcomed playstyle in DUST...
Definitely Makes you go "Dumbass" to yourself when you run into a RE trap... It's glorious. Even though i have had a couple *facepalms*
The Cloaking animation by consensus needs a bit of tweaking..
Right now there is a delayed de-cloak after switch equipment or to weapon... that still leaves you somewhat cloaked instead of insta de-cloaking you.
That's really the only issue.
Everything else can be countered or defended with thought and strategy. |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
4775
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:58:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? I believe this is known as "Cotsy Logic". It's related to Insane Troll Logic , except that it makes slightly less sense while sharing the same ability to inspire a vague sense of unease in anyone who tries to figure out exactly how its user thought they were making a valid point. If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk, yet it offers the highest of rewards defensively and offensively. You're just a ****** and can't offer any reason for cloaks to be included, maybe you're state school or JUCO education isn't worth the paper it's written on. Your not intelligent enough to make an argument for your cloak. I......?
Here is a good argument for you Cotsy. You already admitted using the cloak yourself; thats how you ''know its OP''
If its so OP and you use it, how come you do so bad every time you play. Sometimes even with corp mates?.... [b] I'll tell you why. because you still need skill to be good with it. If you dont have skill and the correct skill book, you are just anoder shade with a red triangle over your head asking to be shot in the back....
CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
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Tek Hound
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
210
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:22:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:There fine just BUT the whole -Uncloak *throws RE's everywhere* cloak run away and wait for a poor red berry to walk over it and set it off- is kinda OP . So scouts should be punished because of the LACK of awareness of other players? Its not like Remote explosives are cloaked or something.....''I just think they should have to pick between REs or Cloak or knock off that second Equipment slot.''GO AWAY TROLL.
Lack of awareness=l2p the reason people have problems cloak |
Sev Alcatraz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
492
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:45:00 -
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THE SHR3DD3R wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin! 1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out? Man get outta here fibber
http://i.imgur.com/CyTjzdP.jpg
Dragon fly scout [bpo] no skill invest
BPO shotgun no skill invest
Basic cloak 18,660 sp
Basic armor plate Basic shield extender
Toxin icd-9 Smg
CPU upgrade basic
Total cost: 5,160 isk
Fast enough to get away with enough tank to last a few seconds (note I have maxed core skills to make this work)
This is why scouts are OP never ran a scout before and 33/11 you ask any of the people from my corp on that board they will all say the same thing
closed beta Vet
"When in doubt, C-4"
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Retarn Dominus
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
49
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Posted - 2014.04.08 08:55:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:THE SHR3DD3R wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:I see it as OP because I put a cloak and a BPO shotgun on a dragon fly and went 32/1 and have never run scout...ever Ok now your just lyin! 1. If your a closed beta vet you should be friggen good anyway 2. You mean to tell us that in two years you finally used your df bpo for the first time when the cloak came out? Man get outta here fibber http://i.imgur.com/CyTjzdP.jpgDragon fly scout [bpo] no skill invest BPO shotgun no skill invest Basic cloak 18,660 sp Basic armor plate Basic shield extender Toxin icd-9 Smg CPU upgrade basic Total cost: 5,160 isk Fast enough to get away with enough tank to last a few seconds (note I have maxed core skills to make this work) This is why scouts are OP never ran a scout before and 33/11 you ask any of the people from my corp on that board they will all say the same thing
Nice going. It is only 3.00 ish KDR so not exactly OP. What KDRs do you normally get in your regular fits? Also your overall cost would be a far higher % increase if ya didn't use ya freebies. Either way. Nice going.
What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
104
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Posted - 2014.04.08 09:12:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:[quote=Garrett Blacknova] If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk
Where's the drawback to Drop Uplinks? Nanohives? Nanite Injectors? Active Scanners? Remote Explosives? Proximity Mines? Repair Tools?
How about you consider for a moment the fact that the cloaking module is the only equipment that cannot directly give warpoints. |
Sev Alcatraz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
524
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Posted - 2014.04.08 11:56:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:Cotsy8 wrote:[quote=Garrett Blacknova] If you want your crutch, maybe it should come with a drawback.. Maybe like a broken leg. There's no drawback to cloaks, no risk Where's the drawback to Drop Uplinks? Nanohives? Nanite Injectors? Active Scanners? Remote Explosives? Proximity Mines? Repair Tools? How about you consider for a moment the fact that the cloaking module is the only equipment that cannot directly give warpoints.
Nano hives - you need to be a cal logi to make them most effective Uplinks - amarr logi to be most effective Injectors are kinda meh anyway and there not game breaking OP Have you used active scanners ? Re's are situational Proximity mines only work in huge clumps Rep tool- min logi
Cloak - makes getting anything incredibly easy
closed beta Vet
"The mashed up corpses of red Berrys make for great track lube"
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1374
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:44:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:i used to do that in a logi suit all through 1.0-1.7 nobody complained then.
Same... RE's killed me more before 1.8..... Besides all the tanks hiding every 2 seconds.... Thank those Cloaked RE scouts, rather than bitching about it |
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