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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4746	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:05:00 - [1] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: So come on you guys, let's all skill into scouts and have fun killing each other instead of QQing about them. Scout 514! Just do it, come on, let's all be scrubs :D i DO prefer fighting scouts than heavies! Yes! everyone spec into scouts! Just because Shays got lucky 4 games , but wow it must MEAN being a scout is EZ mode! yay.( he didnt mention results are completly dependent on WHO you are fighting against right? dont expect doing ANYTHING at all vs competent players) And BTW Shays, im surprised you have the balls to call scouts , SCRUBS, after all we have endured.... But , it'll come back to ya....im sure of it. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4746	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:06:00 - [2] - Quote mollerz wrote: Your scout fit is all wrong. plus, who uses a G/1? 1/10. go home and try again. With 2 complex extenders.... XD Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4746	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:10:00 - [3] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: mollerz wrote: hahaha.... cotsy.. give it up man. I assume you think you and all other scouts deserve your crutch as well? You typical tank denier mentality. You think you deserve easy mode. In an objective view, cloaks are not required and are rewarding poor gameplay. In a week no one has given me 5 arguments or justifications for a cloak. The facts are it rewards poor gameplay, and scouts who are bad should stay bad. Scouts do not want to return to their struggle (for most) but thats what the class is, high risk (fragile suit, speed) and high reward. Not low risk, high reward with no drawbacks. You would think players wouldn't be so selfish but they are just chasing any advantage they can get and defending anything they can to keep it that way. I barely know you , but Cotsy, you are a scrub. Sorry, someone had to let you know. And , unlike you, i already saw you playing twice. You Have a big mouth compared to that small amount of skill you have..... So please work you words around better while adressing GOOD players like mollerz.... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4747	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:50:00 - [4] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: I forgot this. I-Shayz-I wrote: some other stuff And finally, scouts are fun, and you don't want that to go away...I get it. You don't speak for me, newbro scout. I'd give up the cloak, my light weapon and 2 module slots to get the FOTM chumps out of here. I prefer the scout motto be: get skill, or get lost. Not: Get cloak, get shotgun.... dominate. Rather these guys do their sissy running heavy suits and insta-hopping out of LAV's.... Hope you are not a scrub, I seriously do. I've liked your posts for a while.... ''Not: Get cloak, get shotgun.... dominate. '' This is SO UNTRUE anyways, might work vs scrubs,but unless you have skill, cloak + SG wont make you win vs good players.... But i run SMG;s on my scouts and i've only been killed twice by a bro Dagger from Opus. THATS ALL. No other SG + cloak bro has been able to drop me more than twice in a same game. I KNOW there are good scouts that can accomplish this, but not FOTM chaser scrub-scouts... ''You don't speak for me, newbro scout. I'd give up the cloak, my light weapon and 2 module slots to get the FOTM chumps out of here.'' You dont speak for me Mr.M.Monk. I love killing scoutcrubs.... CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4749	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:07:00 - [5] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: This is not some type of attempt to say people shouldn't use cloaked shotgun playstyle. However given the lack of good players on the field, and the ease with which one can stack HP, cloak, stealth and speed on a Gallente, and get a shot off so quickly while still invisible.... I do feel that for the most part this tactic dominates in a lot of matches. This combo (i.e. brick, cloak, shotgun, speed) IS EZ mode in my book at the moment. Of course skilled opponents will counter, especially those that have been playing hard mode for months like scouts... If we disagree, I'm cool with that. Im sorry if i sounded a little aggressive, English not being my main language difficults communication between me and other players because sometimes i say stuff incorrectly and sound rude, etc... Overall,what i tried to say is, everyone can play as a scout. For me, it will always be Obvious who is a TRUE scout or a random SCRUB , like Shays admitted being himself. (which i doubt is true, but this thread of his makes me wonder) CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4750	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:26:00 - [6] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: It's just the medium frame UP compared to scouts heavies and commando. It takes from 3 to 6 shots of shotgun to kill a heavy: by the time they have all the time tu turn around and mill you with an HMG. Same goes for cloaked caldari: anyone can kill you with ease, considering the militia standard weapon is an AR. Imo, people just do everything wrong, then complain: they heard RR is OP, but still use it when the whole enemy team is shield tanking. That said, cloak should be nerfed a bit, imo, in cloaking time. It's just a bit too much at ADV - PRO. ''It's just the medium frame UP compared to scouts heavies and commando.'' MEd frrames have been the LEADING suit since the creation of dust. You have 1 update where all frames are equal and you people cry about it.... Unbelievable Selfishness Cloaking time being a little too long? I actually agree with you. Numbers should be 20-40-60 from STD to proto. So you know, Scouts are specialized role. So are heavies. Both sacrifice so much in order to excel at something. (Scouts HP in order to have higher speeds and better E-war equipment {At least true and pro scouts, tanked scouts are just ligh Assaults trying to take advantage of the cloak,but not true scoutsl} and heavies sacrifice speed and any kind of radar advantage to have massive HP and the ability to use Heavy weapons {even if this doesn't mean much ATM}) Logis are dedicated for equipment usage and lots of slots to adapt your suit to anything. And med frame Assaults are the overall balanced Offensive choices, with the ability to do a little of everything without being the best at anything. Now the Assault and LOGIS USED to be the best suits out there, but now they are being toppled by better balanced (For their purposes) suits, and the ''jack of all trades'' feeling is not enough anymore. This is because med frames got used to being superior. Seeing a 300HP scout 50+mts away was easy. Killing a 500HP commando was easy Killing a 1000- HP heavy with a crappy HMG was easy. BUT not anymore. If people can do with STD BPO and go 20-1 in a random game, im pretty sure dedicated med frame users could still do great,if they dedicated more time to practicing instead of QQing here in the forums.... CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4759	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:20:00 - [7] - Quote @ Shayz-I = Until we get some sort of change to cloaked scouts, I will no longer be running logistics. So let me see if i got it straight. You used LOGI suits pre 1.8, and NOW you are using scouts, ANd somehow scouts are the Scrubs EZ moders....just trying to let that sink.... 1. Sound when decloaking. Agreed. This sound is not only too low, Not working 100% of the time, but also they sound EXACTLY the same as when an ALLY is decloaking, making the habit of turning around EVERY TIME you hear the noise an annoying habit. 2. Not being able to fire when cloaked. Decloaking could be more immediate, TRUE.BUT , i doubt this will stop players from COMPLAINING about cloaks.You see, cloaks are used to ambush or to flee,and USUALLY when a scout is stalking someone, he is behind him.Me myself use the cloak,and as soon as the enemy player has his back towards me i decloak and get close, so in the case of my play style i wouldn't be affected by this mechanic change, since even while NOT using the cloak,the enemy already has no way of establishing visual contact with me..... 3. Fitting requirements that make you sacrifice HP intensive modules for the cloak. Fitting requirements are ok. The cloak is meant specially for SCOUTS ,and a 800+HP Med frame like a logi for example , with Cloak would make cloaked scouts purposeless,specially because of the (example) logistics player didnt need to sacrifice so much, he could ALSO stack Kin Cats and achieve scout level speed,while with a cloak,more equipment slots and overall more HP.Logis being able to do Heavy/scout work better than the Heavy/scout themselves was a big ISSUE we had pre 1.8.While talking about CLOAKING, the scout should be the best choice for it PERIOD.Now be grateful CCP didnt make cloaks SCOUT ONLY equipment (as it should be) but actually gave you a CHANCE of using cloaks without having to invest in a scout suit. NOT TO MENTION, you are complaining about TANKED scouts,yet you want the cloak to be easier to fit...AKA, scouts with even MORE HP. _________________________________________ But now scouts can be the ultimate frontline fighter with large pools of HP, the ability to see everyone and anyone (besides other scouts) AND make sure that no one can find them. Well,let me tell you. a Scout cannot do ALL that at the same time.If you HP tank a scout,you are loosing Speed AND a great deal of e-war capacity. A tanked scout is simply a light assault,with less HP,lack of assault bonuses, but a cloak and better radar functions. You might think a 700hP gallente scout is the worst it can happen to you,but that scout has the ultimate disadvatage while engaging Heavies and other Scouts. Heavies will dissapear those 700HP the same as for a 350HP scout. with a 0.5 sec difference at most. And other scouts will be able to track that scout better. I run in my Gk.0 different module sets,but the most common one has: 2 cx Precision enhancers 1 cx range amplifiers 1 Cx Profile dampener 2 cx kinetic catalizer Believe me , and i have killed tons of scouts in my only 2 days of playing 1.8 because they simply appear all the time in my radar and cant even out run me. So many people have told me that I need to use my eyes, and that I need to squad up with other scouts now... But then why don't scouts have to use their eyes? And why do I need a scout in my squad just to counter other scouts? Who says scouts dont have to use our eyes? AS a scout, im more vulnerable to a Shotgun than anyone else. Now i do use my eyes, i do see the deception quite easily. Its VERY simple, if you know what you are looking for. That's like people saying I need to carry AV with me all the time in case a tank shows up, and that I should run with a tanker to counter other tanks. This is what cloaked scouts feel like to me and yet no one else seems to feel this way. Very smart that you figured that out. Something is not to be changed because a small amount of players feel its wrong. Except that with tanks I can hide in a building from them, and choose not to engage them if I don't want to. But scouts can and will always find me unless I run e-war modules. Even then I'm screwed because at that point sure I can see them, but I can never engage them because then they have more health and speed than I do. More HP? well it depends what you are wearing in your med frame suit. But, again, if they are running for you, you should be able to see them....thats my point. ____________________________________________________________ Honestly, if I detect a cloaked scout and see him running up on me, it shouldn't take 10 seconds of direct fire for me to kill him as he strafes back and forth. This is thanks to increased TTK,not necesarily a problem with the cloak.You see if weapons would have stayed like they were , a scout couldnt last a seconds against anything.But the increase of TTK also affects scouts, like me having to shoot in the face a logi 3 times in order to down him...this is plenty of time for him to kill me, considering my low amount of EHP. Now it seems you mostly have trouble with tanked scouts.But in this game, they give you the option to tank ANY suit. But at a cost.... CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.

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