DUST Search - so i tried the 'true scout'

Jake Diesel wrote:

Tek Hound wrote:

rpastry wrote:

HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's

first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1

skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade.

and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday.

Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using?I could go on and on.The only thing the op did was prove how but hurt he is.

Um, the op wasn't complaining. Nor was he "butthurt". HE was the one causing the butthurt! Lol. Any scout still in denial that this fit is easy mode is in denial.

Once a scout closes the gap it's a two shot kill with just a standard shotgun. Only Gallente Sentinels take 3.

And we're not talking about stupid scouts just running right up to you. With the proper use of cloak, you can move in and out of cover undetected until you're within 10 feet of your target. And if your target hasn't shot you yet, he's already dead.

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rpastry The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 162	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:57:00 - [1] - Quote HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2049	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:59:00 - [2] - Quote rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Did the exact same thing yesterday to see what the fuzz was all about. Damn shotty is easymode. Easier to use than CR at least. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Adell Shinzumakami Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 124	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:00:00 - [3] - Quote I tried Scout cloaking and went 18/2! Never again. Too easy and unfair to my opponent. I prefer using the weakest setup and weapons. I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 204	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:00:00 - [4] - Quote I've been having bad luck lately, I keep getting shotgun scouts leaping at me from 10m away while uncloaking in the air and shooting me in the face.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1201	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:05:00 - [5] - Quote I haven't read any scouts QQing. Just everyone else about scouts. Lucky heavies scout easy mode its distracting everyone from the fact sentinel is also easy mode. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 361	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:10:00 - [6] - Quote I normally run a mlt calscout with a magsec and a bolt pistol. I don't use a cloak, I use a nanite injector, oh, and I run 1 complex extender, and a standard prec enhancer. The low slot is either an armour repper, or a reactive plate. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:17:00 - [7] - Quote rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using?I could go on and on.The only thing the op did was prove how but hurt he is.
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 109	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:21:00 - [8] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using? Where are the spaces after your punctuation marks? This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:26:00 - [9] - Quote Sarus Rambo wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using? Where are the spaces after your punctuation marks? No need easy to detect low level trolls
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 109	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:30:00 - [10] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using? Where are the spaces after your punctuation marks? No need easy to detect low level trolls Says the man swinging his crutches at me. This sums up 75% of the forum posts.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4808	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:31:00 - [11] - Quote rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. You forgot to list your modules, which is what makes the difference between a "true Scout" and the "Assault Scout". Also, did you try a stealth/passive scan focused build WITHOUT the cloak? Bring a nanohive or Repair Tool or something instead and see how different it feels. You can still get kills - and sometimes lots of them - but you have to work a bit harder on survival.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:52:00 - [12] - Quote Sarus Rambo wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using? Where are the spaces after your punctuation marks? No need easy to detect low level trolls Says the man swinging his crutches at me. May the butt hurt shine your way
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1289	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:53:00 - [13] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Did the exact same thing yesterday to see what the fuzz was all about. Damn shotty is easymode. Easier to use than CR at least. This has to be a troll No ones THAT stupid
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1289	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:54:00 - [14] - Quote I went 28-2 with a starter fit the other day Is that OP to?
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:58:00 - [15] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: I went 28-2 with a starter fit the other day Is that OP to? Not op because you didn't kill the op
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 142	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:25:00 - [16] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using?I could go on and on.The only thing the op did was prove how but hurt he is. Um, the op wasn't complaining. Nor was he "butthurt". HE was the one causing the butthurt! Lol. Any scout still in denial that this fit is easy mode is in denial. Once a scout closes the gap it's a two shot kill with just a standard shotgun. Only Gallente Sentinels take 3. And we're not talking about stupid scouts just running right up to you. With the proper use of cloak, you can move in and out of cover undetected until you're within 10 feet of your target. And if your target hasn't shot the scout yet, he's already dead.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 913	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:40:00 - [17] - Quote I went 27/ 4 with a commando yesterday, you commandos need to give up your crutch... On a serious note I kill fake scouts in waves because I can see them with my eyes and on my passive scans, maybe you should get team mates with situational awareness and ewar of their own. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1671	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:44:00 - [18] - Quote Scouts are qqing? Where? People are qqing about scouts but i haven't seen any scouts qqing not seiously GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Juno Tristan Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:12:00 - [19] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: [quote=Tek Hound][quote=rpastry] And we're not talking about stupid scouts just running right up to you. With the proper use of cloak, you can move in and out of cover undetected until you're within 10 feet of your target. And if your target hasn't shot you yet, he's already dead. Surely that's the point, if you use the cloak effectively you can kill people. How is this any different from "And if you use your Cal Assault & rail rifle fit to engage people beyond their optimal range then then they're already dead" Cloaks do need some refinement (like raising instead of lowering the scan profile) but in terms of their operation/shimmer I think they're fine
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7766	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:17:00 - [20] - Quote Have you tried using a non-shotty scout? Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1627	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:18:00 - [21] - Quote rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Now plug in a mouse and keyboard and try... I bet the first 10 games you will struggle to kill people. Even without them knowing your there and their back to you.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 262	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:38:00 - [22] - Quote rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Shotgunning with no skills, is actually easier than a max skilled shotgun. Because the shot spread is at its widest, meaning you are less likely to miss. But the easy mode part isn't the shotgun. It's the fact that you can fire the first shot before the cloak dissipates. The shotgun has barely changed in 1.8, yet the QQ is through the roof. The only thing that's different is that it's much easier to close the distance on your target & not get pumped full of aim assisted, stacked damage modded, rifle plasma from 60m away.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:30:00 - [23] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: Tek Hound wrote: rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using?I could go on and on.The only thing the op did was prove how but hurt he is. Um, the op wasn't complaining. Nor was he "butthurt". HE was the one causing the butthurt! Lol. Any scout still in denial that this fit is easy mode is in denial. Once a scout closes the gap it's a two shot kill with just a standard shotgun. Only Gallente Sentinels take 3. And we're not talking about stupid scouts just running right up to you. With the proper use of cloak, you can move in and out of cover undetected until you're within 10 feet of your target. And if your target hasn't shot you yet, he's already dead. Its called cloak for a reason and its already nerfed with shimmer
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:36:00 - [24] - Quote DTOracle wrote: rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Shotgunning with no skills, is actually easier than a max skilled shotgun. Because the shot spread is at its widest, meaning you are less likely to miss. But the easy mode part isn't the shotgun. It's the fact that you can fire the first shot before the cloak dissipates. The shotgun has barely changed in 1.8, yet the QQ is through the roof. The only thing that's different is that it's much easier to close the distance on your target & not get pumped full of aim assisted, stacked damage modded, rifle plasma from 60m away. We have a winner^ This is why the community is just butt hurt . Disadvantage weapon swap and shimmer plus having to get close with less then 300 . Seriously..all you QQ need to l2p.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2676	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:39:00 - [25] - Quote Please link or quote all these scouts QQing because I have seen a single one since 1.8 came in. You are clearly very very slow. Too slow to be a scout I'd say. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 75	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:39:00 - [26] - Quote rpastry wrote: ...the part where you jerk yourself off... and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. Which Scout is QQing? People are QQing about Scouts. And brick tanked or not, cloaked or not a good scout can wreck a room.
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 142	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:51:00 - [27] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: [quote=Tek Hound][quote=rpastry] And we're not talking about stupid scouts just running right up to you. With the proper use of cloak, you can move in and out of cover undetected until you're within 10 feet of your target. And if your target hasn't shot you yet, he's already dead. Surely that's the point, if you use the cloak effectively you can kill people. How is this any different from "And if you use your Cal Assault & rail rifle fit to engage people beyond their optimal range then then they're already dead" Cloaks do need some refinement (like raising instead of lowering the scan profile) but in terms of their operation/shimmer I think they're fine I think you missed the part about "two shots". You're not dead in two shots from any rifle at optimal range, and most get dropped against those rifles because they were fighting it out. Against the scout+shotgun fit, there is no fighting. First shot is the sound you hear of their shotgun. Second shot you're dead. At ten feet, there's no cover to save you. Of course, I'm sure it's the heavies that get dropped most by scout/shotty fit due to their slow running speed. But if a scout goes out of their way to say that heavies are OP. They're scrubs. Cause unless they charged a heavy in a hallway with an HMG, or was seen running while cloaked, the scout easily owns any heavy when that gap has been closed. The cloak is not the issue. It's the shotgun.
Marc Rime 356	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:14:00 - [28] - Quote DTOracle wrote: The only thing that's different is that it's much easier to close the distance on your target & not get pumped full of aim assisted, stacked damage modded, rifle plasma from 60m away. I find the cloak is mainly useful for making my way around a group of reds. When I'm closing the distance the target shouldn't be looking in my direction anyway, and if they happen to turn around at the wrong (or right ;)) time I expect to be seen, cloaked or not. I suppose remaining cloaked all the way lowers the risk of getting spotted by someone other than the target, but that's more or less it.
rpastry The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 163	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:30:00 - [29] - Quote Youknowutimsayin wrote: Which Scout is QQing? People are QQing about Scouts. And brick tanked or not, cloaked or not a good scout can wreck a room. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2005037 [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 205	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:01:00 - [30] - Quote rpastry wrote: HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1 skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade. and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday. There are some who complain about bricked tanks, it's a good build that replaces a light assault class. There's nothing wrong with using your modules how you want. So don't complain about brick scouts when heavies, logi's and assault classes are all using similar tactics to maximize their TTK. Its a legit tactic that will be used until the assault class is fixed and scouts stop becoming the Logi slayer 2.0. If you think a brick tank is FOTM, you are wrong. 800 eHP is hardly hard to take down, and is only a viable build due to cloaks and not due to speed + eHP. I can turn a Logi into a more viable speed + eHP build than a brick scout, and still can equip a cloak. So don't think brick tanks are FOTM when clearly the answer are cloaks. Ok, so I've been on forums for a week complaining about how cloaks are OP. All i can see is how scouts are so happy they are excelling in 1.8 due to cloaks, and your 16-1 is no different. The fact you think 16-1 is good, goes to show you that this isn't a common score for you, and getting such a score is not so much a result of the boosts to scouts (modules, extra equipment slot, more classes) but primarily due to a cloak covering up for your lack of skill and poor decision making. Scouts are just in denial mode, they are so happy how cloaks have given them "skill" and scores that they just don't want their OP to end, so they deny that cloaks are the reason. Cloaks clearly cover up for poor gameplay, while going as far as to reward a scouts poor gameplay both defensively and offensively. It's an easy button straight from the CCP hospital, where most of the mediocre scouts have spent their time inside in previous patches. So, I'm glad CCP has gave you free "skill" to cover your poor play, but don't think there's anything wrong with a brick scout or a speed scout when the underlying answer is the cloak. Scouts could excel without a cloak before, CCP gave scouts a significant boost in 1.8 (cloak not included) so scouts should have been fine without them. A skilled scout can sneak up on enemies without the need for a cloak, so a cloak is not necessary. It is a useless and crutch given to players who now adore them for their easy mode button. I can see many previously poor scouts are now excelling only because of cloaks, and not because they gained skill overnight.



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