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Revelations 514
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.04.02 21:05:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:DTOracle wrote:The only thing that's different is that it's much easier to close the distance on your target & not get pumped full of aim assisted, stacked damage modded, rifle plasma from 60m away. I find the cloak is mainly useful for making my way around a group of reds. When I'm closing the distance the target shouldn't be looking in my direction anyway, and if they happen to turn around at the wrong (or right ;)) time I expect to be seen, cloaked or not. I suppose remaining cloaked all the way lowers the risk of getting spotted by someone other than the target, but that's more or less it.
^This exactly. The cloak is just simply "low-hanging fruit" for them to grasp at. Now SG's are OP and everything can be killed in two shots by a standard SG, and the cloak too? Sure like to know where you get your Shotty's from. Yeah, good Assault players laugh at the cloak and this I can promise you. If SG's and cloaks are soo damn powerful, why don't you use them then?
I'm not saying you will never get ganked but it's not happening very frequently if your even moderately good at this game. |
Tek Hound
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.02 21:23:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Jake Diesel wrote:[quote=Tek Hound][quote=rpastry]
And we're not talking about stupid scouts just running right up to you. With the proper use of cloak, you can move in and out of cover undetected until you're within 10 feet of your target. And if your target hasn't shot you yet, he's already dead. Surely that's the point, if you use the cloak effectively you can kill people. How is this any different from "And if you use your Cal Assault & rail rifle fit to engage people beyond their optimal range then then they're already dead" Cloaks do need some refinement (like raising instead of lowering the scan profile) but in terms of their operation/shimmer I think they're fine I think you missed the part about "two shots". You're not dead in two shots from any rifle at optimal range, and most get dropped against those rifles because they were fighting it out. Against the scout+shotgun fit, there is no fighting. First shot is the sound you hear of their shotgun. Second shot you're dead. At ten feet, there's no cover to save you. Of course, I'm sure it's the heavies that get dropped most by scout/shotty fit due to their slow running speed. But if a scout goes out of their way to say that heavies are OP. They're scrubs. Cause unless they charged a heavy in a hallway with an HMG, or was seen running while cloaked, the scout easily owns any heavy when that gap has been closed. The cloak is not the issue. It's the shotgun.
People are QQ about getting own in shotgun range by a shotgun. A scout without cloak , with a shotgun in your back will still kill you.This just a lack of situational awareness that's killing you.There has yet to be a real argument made against cloak by anyone. |
DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
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Posted - 2014.04.02 22:02:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:DTOracle wrote:The only thing that's different is that it's much easier to close the distance on your target & not get pumped full of aim assisted, stacked damage modded, rifle plasma from 60m away. I find the cloak is mainly useful for making my way around a group of reds. When I'm closing the distance the target shouldn't be looking in my direction anyway, and if they happen to turn around at the wrong (or right ;)) time I expect to be seen, cloaked or not. I suppose remaining cloaked all the way lowers the risk of getting spotted by someone other than the target, but that's more or less it.
From my experience with cloaks in 1.8, you can run straight at about 7 out of 10 players & they will run right past you. I have literally ran into groups of reds just to test it & it works better than even I would have assumed. But for some reason I see most cloaked scout, if they end up in my LOS. It ultimately boils down to situational awareness. I actually perform better without cloaks, but have found some usefulness in certain situation that otherwise would have spelled my doom. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.02 23:02:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:rpastry wrote:HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's
first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1
skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade.
and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday.
Shotgunning with no skills, is actually easier than a max skilled shotgun. Because the shot spread is at its widest, meaning you are less likely to miss. But the easy mode part isn't the shotgun. It's the fact that you can fire the first shot before the cloak dissipates. The shotgun has barely changed in 1.8, yet the QQ is through the roof. The only thing that's different is that it's much easier to close the distance on your target & not get pumped full of aim assisted, stacked damage modded, rifle plasma from 60m away.
I don't have SP in them, but common sense and my friends who are skilled in shotguns say the shotty is actually worse in 1.8 because of prof. change.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.02 23:05:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:Marc Rime wrote:DTOracle wrote:The only thing that's different is that it's much easier to close the distance on your target & not get pumped full of aim assisted, stacked damage modded, rifle plasma from 60m away. I find the cloak is mainly useful for making my way around a group of reds. When I'm closing the distance the target shouldn't be looking in my direction anyway, and if they happen to turn around at the wrong (or right ;)) time I expect to be seen, cloaked or not. I suppose remaining cloaked all the way lowers the risk of getting spotted by someone other than the target, but that's more or less it. From my experience with cloaks in 1.8, you can run straight at about 7 out of 10 players & they will run right past you. I have literally ran into groups of reds just to test it & it works better than even I would have assumed. But for some reason I see most cloaked scout, if they end up in my LOS. It ultimately boils down to situational awareness. I actually perform better without cloaks, but have found some usefulness in certain situation that otherwise would have spelled my doom.
Not only situational awareness, but eyesight will actually play a role too. Nothing can be done about it, some people will just have an advantage or disadvantage there. You damn kids with your good eyesight and reflexes...and get off my lawn! 
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Juno Tristan
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.04.03 04:20:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:I think you missed the part about "two shots". You're not dead in two shots from any rifle at optimal range, and most get dropped against those rifles because they were fighting it out.
Against the scout+shotgun fit, there is no fighting. First shot is the sound you hear of their shotgun. Second shot you're dead. At ten feet, there's no cover to save you.
It's not 2 shots but the TTK is around the same due to lower shotgun RPM
Shotgun scouts have always been annoying, no-one likes receiving a round to the back of the head, but previously they've only been viable on city maps, now with the cloak you can run the fit without having to run to the supply depot if the fight moves on
I think people have just gotten lazy with all the recent YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED and now find it difficult when they don't know exactly where the enemy is |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1216
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:07:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Jake Diesel wrote:I think you missed the part about "two shots". You're not dead in two shots from any rifle at optimal range, and most get dropped against those rifles because they were fighting it out.
Against the scout+shotgun fit, there is no fighting. First shot is the sound you hear of their shotgun. Second shot you're dead. At ten feet, there's no cover to save you. It's not 2 shots but the TTK is around the same due to lower shotgun RPM Shotgun scouts have always been annoying, no-one likes receiving a round to the back of the head, but previously they've only been viable on city maps, now with the cloak you can run the fit without having to run to the supply depot if the fight moves on I think people have just gotten lazy with all the recent YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED and now find it difficult when they don't know exactly where the enemy is
Nah, with these guys it wasn't seeing where they were, you just knew they were out there....somewhere *insert ominous music*
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1146
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:20:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:rpastry wrote:HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's
first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1
skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade.
and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday.
Did the exact same thing yesterday to see what the fuzz was all about. Damn shotty is easymode. Easier to use than CR at least.
Parroting what the guys above said.
Shotgun + Cloak is just stupidly easy and it shows. People are going that route and why would they not?
EDIT:
Umm... Case in point.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
4019
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:22:00 -
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Tek Hound wrote:Sarus Rambo wrote:Tek Hound wrote:
Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using?
Where are the spaces after your punctuation marks? No need easy to detect low level trolls 
Why the hell is everyone taking pride in their horrible syntax and grammar!?!?!
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
4019
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:23:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:rpastry wrote:HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's
first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1
skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade.
and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday.
Did the exact same thing yesterday to see what the fuzz was all about. Damn shotty is easymode. Easier to use than CR at least. Parroting what the guys above said. Shotgun + Cloak is just stupidly easy and it shows. People are going that route and why would they not? EDIT: Umm... Case in point.
And here I am, running with Ion Pistol + Knives or SMG + Knives becuase Shotguns make me feel dirty this build.
At least my skills aren't getting rusty.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Chuckles Brown
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:24:00 -
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"True Scout" is such a subjective term.
I was in a match against a Scout that had more armor then I had total HP. He was definitly a Scout, as his suit was slim and scouty looking... but obviously non-traditional.
Nerf dat Scout HP!
The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
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Orenji Jiji
368
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Posted - 2014.04.03 09:57:00 -
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Reading comprehension fail. Guy asks about stun dynamic being over the roof. He asks about it because it completely nullifies his speed tank, which is IMHO brain dead. Wanna know if it's limited to scouts? Ask some (true) logi what do they think about it. We kill them first, because they are getting stunned so easily. :D
SL dumbfire, DS bumpercars, Duvolle514. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time.. to die.
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
452
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Posted - 2014.04.03 10:27:00 -
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One have to love this QQ threads about
"I run ONE game and went 100-0 in the FOTM gear"
As brilliant as wiping ones as before taking a dump
Regards
War never changes
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
876
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Posted - 2014.04.03 11:27:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:Tek Hound wrote:rpastry wrote:HK4M shotgun (no skills), advanced cloak, and RE's
first game, pub ambush, solo... went 16-1
skill needed? far less than using a FOTM assault scout. even popped a heavy had just turned to face me. rest its childs play to evade.
and scouts are still QQing? joke. april 1st was yesterday.
Your right april 1st was yesterday that when you should have wrote this joke.If I had 25cents Everytime someone comes on forum saying the exact same thing about so called op things, I would rich.Were is your video prof?who were you playing against?what was their teamwork like?what weapons were they using?I could go on and on.The only thing the op did was prove how but hurt he is. Um, the op wasn't complaining. Nor was he "butthurt". HE was the one causing the butthurt! Lol. Any scout still in denial that this fit is easy mode is in denial. Once a scout closes the gap it's a two shot kill with just a standard shotgun. Only Gallente Sentinels take 3. And we're not talking about stupid scouts just running right up to you. With the proper use of cloak, you can move in and out of cover undetected until you're within 10 feet of your target. And if your target hasn't shot you yet, he's already dead.
To be honest you can get this numbers with a lot of suits, I have done this in starter fits, std cal assaults, in std. scouts before 1.8, in heavies and with logies in all tiers, so I guess Dust in general must be easy mode . Hell I even did it with the pre buffed LR. |
Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
75
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Posted - 2014.04.03 12:21:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:To be honest you can get this numbers with a lot of suits, I have done this in starter fits, std cal assaults, in std. scouts before 1.8, in heavies and with logies in all tiers, so I guess Dust in general must be easy mode . Hell I even did it with the pre buffed LR.
I think that too. I dont get killed more often by scouts than any other suit. Even militia, it seems. Though proto is dominant, naturally.
I think that the player with intimate map knowledge, much experience and much SP in core skills is going to kill more than average, regardless the suit. So yeah dust is very unbalanced. The older player wins (not older in years, but has spend more time in-game). Thats the rule.
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