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Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.02 15:55:00 -
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Look at his health the entire time during this battle. This module needs a Stacking penalty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FAqJG9DGFHQ#t=208 |
Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.04.02 15:58:00 -
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This tactics always been around, it's only now coming to prominence because hardeners have finally been nerfed. Running a fit like that is very expensive, and so it should be hard to kill.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1903
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:02:00 -
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Reps don't need a stacking penalty, they just need to be less effective. A single rep is too effective.
With that said, the current triple rep fit has a hard counter in railguns/missiles. Three of the tanks in the video were blaster tanks and the fourth was a railgun, but he was just terrible.
The triple rep fit is a monster against AV and other blaster tanks and it's needs to be nerfed slightly, but it's not the lack of a stacking penalty that makes it too good, but rather just because the reps are too powerful.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7872
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:03:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:This tactics always been around, it's only now coming to prominence because hardeners have finally been nerfed. Running a fit like that is very expensive, and so it should be hard to kill.
Balancing by ISK is never, never, never a good idea.
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Harpyja
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1455
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:05:00 -
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Stupid tankers are stupid.
Reps are fine. Learn to use hard counters. My missile Gunnlogi would eat up a triple rep Madrugar for breakfast.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
307
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:10:00 -
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So, he kills the first tank before he even reacts (cause that guy was stupid as hell), the next 2 tanks try to use the very thing against him that he has strong defense against, the 4th tank he kills is a total scrub who deserves to die. All this time he has Swarm support. So he fights 2v1, 2v2 and 2v1... What's the problem?
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1837
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:20:00 -
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I was in that video standing right there (I'm the lazer. He mentioned) we had 3 RE. Scouts, a swarm and a distraction lazer. It was not all about the reps.
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:57:00 -
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Oh look, judge! Hello! Just wanted to thank you for those sweet dropships flying videos, really helped me out. Keep up the great work!.
Back to the video, why shouldn't the guy with skills put into tanks be able to shred militia tanks? If you put time and effort into something, then shouldn't you do better? Why would you put skills into something if they didn't give you a benefit?
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--The Dual Swarm Commando
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
12745
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:59:00 -
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Oh how I miss activated reps.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3216
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:03:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Oh how I miss activated reps.
Ask for Capacitors and you shall recieve
Intelligence is OP
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3778
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:07:00 -
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A good player in a starter fit can kill any proto suit. But apparently people seem to think that a fully fitted tank should be all but immortal. When I hear you people talk about balance it makes me a little less disdainful of CCP's bad balancing.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
12745
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:07:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Oh how I miss activated reps. Ask for Capacitors and you shall recieve Lol
#CCPcoding
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Harpyja
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1457
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Oh how I miss activated reps. Oh how I miss constant shield regen.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Harpyja
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1460
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:10:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:A good player in a starter fit can kill any proto suit. But apparently people seem to think that a fully fitted tank should be all but immortal. When I hear you people talk about balance it makes me a little less disdainful of CCP's bad balancing. A good player in a proto suit is near invincible.
Double standards much? You're fine with letting good players actually be near invincible in full proto but fear the same with tanks.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1620
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:13:00 -
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It's obvious your experience with CCP games is very minimal.
There is an entire calculation around DPS received versus Reps per second.. He used his abilities To negate enough of the DPS that his reps out repaired the incoming DPS.
This is how EVE works too... One ship can tank 5 people.. It's all how you build your Damage versus tank and how effective the combination is.
Tankers might have to use some math *Oh noes* ... LIKE EVERYONE else has had to. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1978
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:15:00 -
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Can't put a stacking penalty on intelligence.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
47
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:47:00 -
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Really? You have a problem with that? All that video made me do was rethink my tank fit and realize that I need better tactics when running a tank. |
Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1271
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Posted - 2014.04.02 18:48:00 -
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Ha! I'd hardly call that an example of why they need nerfed.
1st tank: blindsided MILITIA SHIELD TANK w/o hardener, easy kill. Wasn't even being shot at. Can basically count that out.
2nd: again, MILITIA SHIELD tank with out any shields left due to AV. Easy kill.
So that just leaves the two armor tanks as considerable opponents.
3rd: MILITIA soma with blaster. Doesn't stand a chance, can't out DPS reps. Also note, he wasn't taking fire from the rail tank, so these were basically separate battles and also had AV support.
4th: Pyrex got in close, had AV help, and the enemy tanker obviously wasn't using a good turret and want a good pilot.
Now, imagine all four attacking at the same time with the rail at range, I don't see this going quite as well. Also, throw my missile tank in the mix, or several proto forge gunners. The fit is effective at shrugging off weak/uncoordinated AV, but get some teamwork or a high alpha rail/missile and it crumples like paper.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
314
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Posted - 2014.04.02 18:56:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Oh how I miss activated reps. Oh how I miss constant shield regen. How how I miss everything that we had pre-1.7.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
854
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Posted - 2014.04.02 18:59:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Stupid tankers are stupid. Reps are fine. Learn to use hard counters. My missile Gunnlogi would eat up a triple rep Madrugar for breakfast. So because he has a certain thing he gets a I win button? This is op scr vs shields all over again...
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
854
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:00:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Can't put a stacking penalty on intelligence. No its op, multiple tanks were shooting him at once Tanks are super op still
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
314
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:02:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Harpyja wrote:Stupid tankers are stupid. Reps are fine. Learn to use hard counters. My missile Gunnlogi would eat up a triple rep Madrugar for breakfast. So because he has a certain thing he gets a I win button? This is op scr vs shields all over again... My argument
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
854
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:04:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Harpyja wrote:Stupid tankers are stupid. Reps are fine. Learn to use hard counters. My missile Gunnlogi would eat up a triple rep Madrugar for breakfast. So because he has a certain thing he gets a I win button? This is op scr vs shields all over again... My argument No 3 reps are op it gives no right to have an insta win machine
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
314
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:04:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Can't put a stacking penalty on intelligence. No its op, multiple tanks were shooting him at once Tanks are super op still
Could please you read what you actually said?
And then to what you actually mean: he was not fighting those enemy tanks alone, and those enemy tanks were terribad.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
314
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:05:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Harpyja wrote:Stupid tankers are stupid. Reps are fine. Learn to use hard counters. My missile Gunnlogi would eat up a triple rep Madrugar for breakfast. So because he has a certain thing he gets a I win button? This is op scr vs shields all over again... My argument No 3 reps are op it gives no right to have an insta win machine Fcking read the post.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1631
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:06:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Can't put a stacking penalty on intelligence. No its op, multiple tanks were shooting him at once Tanks are super op still
Sure if those 4 tankers hit him... As much as he hit them for accuracy? He would of died...
They where missing ALOT.... hence why his repairs per second was more then damage per second...
Using player ability to reduce the incoming DPS and knowing your reps per second is player skill not abused game mechanics...
If someone came in with a Burst High volley damage setup... Like a Missile tank with a full volley of missiles or a rail tank with damage mods... You burst Damage past the reps per second...
Hence why there are Alpha damage EVE fleets and DUST Tank or tank team setups people run. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
854
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:06:00 -
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Read who im quoting Still gives him no right to easily I win against multiple tanks shooting him at once......stuff should give you an advantage, not I win, like the scr
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
854
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:07:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Harpyja wrote:Stupid tankers are stupid. Reps are fine. Learn to use hard counters. My missile Gunnlogi would eat up a triple rep Madrugar for breakfast. So because he has a certain thing he gets a I win button? This is op scr vs shields all over again... My argument No 3 reps are op it gives no right to have an insta win machine Fcking read the post.[/quote] I did, gives no one any right to insta win against anything based on gear, hence gear>skill
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
316
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:25:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Read who im quoting Still gives him no right to easily I win against multiple tanks shooting him at once......stuff should give you an advantage, not I win, like the scr I hold Spkr4theDead in much higher value. Actually you two cannot even be compared. Sooo... your point was?
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Hawkings Greenback
Red Star. EoN.
124
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Posted - 2014.04.02 19:26:00 -
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It's not that difficult to understand really.
Yes he beat 4 tanks
But, they were **** He was smart in his fit He was part of a squad Squad was co ordinating
I don't see an issue with how that vid played out. If the tanks had co ordinated then he would have died. Would it have been an issue for people then ? Or would you have just said good team work 4 tanks kill 1.
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