DUST Search - forgegun being op

8213 wrote:

So let me get this straight.

The FG can shoot a blast a little bit more powerful than it's railgun counter part...
I know I shouldn't waste time breaking this down, as any person who isn't moronic already knows what I'm about to type, but I feel the need to rant, so here we go:

Railgun:
1 shot every .35 seconds
6 shots continuously
Able to add up to 3 30% Damage Modifiers
Attached to a mobile vehicle
Attached to a higher HP base
4x the ammunition

Forge Gun:
1 shot ever 2.25, 3, or 4.5 seconds(after lvl 5)
1 shot non-continuous
Able to add up to 4 5% damage mods with a harsher stacking penalty
Attached to stamina plagued Merc
Attached to lower HP base
4x less the ammunition

I'll take a stab and say that you're been getting popped by FGs lately. Well, good for them. And if they used a height advantage, ever better. Because they outplayed you at the simplest level. Here's an idea, take the time to learn the skill of tanking and accept the risks when you bring anything out onto the battlefield.

You're lack of awareness and team support is you're fault, not FG user's or CCP's. We all get popped by FGs time-to-time. Yes, it sucks, especially now when AV is garbage. But, we learn and get on with it. And, if for some reason the entire team is fielding AV, perhaps that 's the time to put you tank away and pull our a rifle and shoot a mass of unarmed enemies.

3 D's of Tanking:
Demoralize
Distract
Disarm
...if you've done that while in your tank, you've done your job.
...you could also argue a 4th D for Destroy Lol

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thomas mak 71	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:23:00 - [1] - Quote a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon and able to shot right up top which rail can't higher possible max damage small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) can get ammo easiler, like realy? oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it Give me back my working ADS Give me back ml skill-needed tank battles Give me back those things you showed us before
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2510	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:26:00 - [2] - Quote Rail has nearly quadruple ammo capacity, DPS as high as forge's damage per shot (nearly before damage mods!) You can ADS, get to move faster than 5.5m/s, and can't be killed by every scrub with a rifle or a cloak. QQ moar. A friendly message from the Association of Missile Tankers ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
Kosakai ZionTCD 37	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:31:00 - [3] - Quote another redline railtank moron.... stop QQ and try to leave redline sometimes PROUD MINMATAR <3 -- IN RUST IS TRUST FORGE GUN LOVER -- TANK HUNTER SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED .......
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 667	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:42:00 - [4] - Quote Deal with it.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2050	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:51:00 - [5] - Quote So let me get this straight. The FG can shoot a blast a little bit more powerful than it's railgun counter part... I know I shouldn't waste time breaking this down, as any person who isn't moronic already knows what I'm about to type, but I feel the need to rant, so here we go: Railgun: 1 shot every .35 seconds 6 shots continuously Able to add up to 3 30% Damage Modifiers Attached to a mobile vehicle Attached to a higher HP base 4x the ammunition Forge Gun: 1 shot ever 2.25, 3, or 4.5 seconds(after lvl 5) 1 shot non-continuous Able to add up to 4 5% damage mods with a harsher stacking penalty Attached to stamina plagued Merc Attached to lower HP base 4x less the ammunition I'll take a stab and say that you're been getting popped by FGs lately. Well, good for them. And if they used a height advantage, ever better. Because they outplayed you at the simplest level. Here's an idea, take the time to learn the skill of tanking and accept the risks when you bring anything out onto the battlefield. You're lack of awareness and team support is you're fault, not FG user's or CCP's. We all get popped by FGs time-to-time. Yes, it sucks, especially now when AV is garbage. But, we learn and get on with it. And, if for some reason the entire team is fielding AV, perhaps that 's the time to put you tank away and pull our a rifle and shoot a mass of unarmed enemies. 3 D's of Tanking: Demoralize Distract Disarm ...if you've done that while in your tank, you've done your job. ...you could also argue a 4th D for Destroy I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4760	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:56:00 - [6] - Quote And more gold from thomas mak. How many more will it take before this guy becomes a meme?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4760	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:58:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: So let me get this straight. The FG can shoot a blast a little bit more powerful than it's railgun counter part... I know I shouldn't waste time breaking this down, as any person who isn't moronic already knows what I'm about to type, but I feel the need to rant, so here we go: Railgun: 1 shot every .35 seconds 6 shots continuously Able to add up to 3 30% Damage Modifiers Attached to a mobile vehicle Attached to a higher HP base 4x the ammunition Forge Gun: 1 shot ever 2.25, 3, or 4.5 seconds(after lvl 5) 1 shot non-continuous Able to add up to 4 5% damage mods with a harsher stacking penalty Attached to stamina plagued Merc Attached to lower HP base 4x less the ammunition I'll take a stab and say that you're been getting popped by FGs lately. Well, good for them. And if they used a height advantage, ever better. Because they outplayed you at the simplest level. Here's an idea, take the time to learn the skill of tanking and accept the risks when you bring anything out onto the battlefield. You're lack of awareness and team support is you're fault, not FG user's or CCP's. We all get popped by FGs time-to-time. Yes, it sucks, especially now when AV is garbage. But, we learn and get on with it. And, if for some reason the entire team is fielding AV, perhaps that 's the time to put you tank away and pull our a rifle and shoot a mass of unarmed enemies. 3 D's of Tanking: Demoralize Distract Disarm ...if you've done that while in your tank, you've done your job. ...you could also argue a 4th D for Destroy You forgot to compare the blast radius and splash damage of the two. What are they like? (I haven't bothered to compare in so long I forgot)
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 2	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:02:00 - [8] - Quote 8213 wrote: Railgun: 1 shot every .35 seconds Isn't it 1.4s? Other than that, spot on.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 703	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:08:00 - [9] - Quote thomas mak wrote: a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon and able to shot right up top which rail can't higher possible max damage small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) can get ammo easiler, like realy? oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it They are not OP, but they are far more versatile in what they do. Being able to hide behind invincible cover while stepping out of cover compensates for the higher rate of fire a turret may have, but also there is the fact that a turret can fail to hit a forgegunner because of their small relative size (and bugs with hit projections but that's not really a part of the gun itself) The forgegun has a target that is almost impossible to miss when fired directly at it's point of motion. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Beld Errmon Nyain San 1504	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:17:00 - [10] - Quote thomas mak wrote: a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon and able to shot right up top which rail can't higher possible max damage small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) can get ammo easiler, like realy? oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it stfu you're an embarrassment to ADS pilots everywhere, every time you open your mouth you do more harm than good to the subject you argue in favour of, you're like the tea party.

Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 864	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:18:00 - [11] - Quote thomas mak wrote: a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon and able to shot right up top which rail can't higher possible max damage small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) can get ammo easiler, like realy? oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it Question: Did you go to a special school to get this stupid or is this your natural state? If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me!
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 83	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:19:00 - [12] - Quote tanks can only be killed by like 3 inf weapons in the whole game, and only 2 of those are effective, IE JLAVS and FG's. Tanks are only kill able by like 5% of all in game weapons. Cry more as you drive safely past most of the infantry with rifles. You are literally only kill able by the slowest most vulnerable unit in the game. Slowest vulnerable unit hits hardest. not a hard concept to understand.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1782	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:20:00 - [13] - Quote OP, shut up.
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 2	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:37:00 - [14] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: 8213 wrote: Railgun: 1 shot every .35 seconds Isn't it 1.4s? Other than that, spot on. Next time you get into an installation or tank with a railgun, hold down the trigger and don't release it. You'll see that there is a charge up time AND a refire time. (refire may be a tad too fast in my opinion) AFAIK the Large Railgun Turrets have a 1.4s fire interval (your "refire time"), with a charge up time of 0.35s.
thomas mak 71	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:39:00 - [15] - Quote They are op to any drop ship They just like a rail gun which shot used for shooting drops hip other than tanks Give me back my working ADS Give me back ml skill-needed tank battles Give me back those things you showed us before
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 2	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:41:00 - [16] - Quote thomas mak wrote: They are a danger to any drop ship FTFY
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 530	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:15:00 - [17] - Quote thomas mak wrote: a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon and able to shot right up top which rail can't higher possible max damage small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) can get ammo easiler, like realy? oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it the railgun fires 6x as fast as a breach and hit 1.5x harder.
thomas mak 71	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:18:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: thomas mak wrote: a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon and able to shot right up top which rail can't higher possible max damage small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) can get ammo easiler, like realy? oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it the railgun fires 6x as fast as a breach and hit 1.5x harder. The forgegun fires to whereever they want, this point makes forgegun more op than rail gun UNLESS RAILGUN DROP HALF OF ITS CPU PG COST Give me back my working ADS Give me back ml skill-needed tank battles Give me back those things you showed us before
rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 16	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:22:00 - [19] - Quote thomas mak wrote: They are op to any drop ship They just like a rail gun which shot used for shooting drops hip other than tanks Ever tried the FG? One shot from it & dropship pilots flee to hights with after burners,& its incredibly tough to hit a flying object. You cant see me caldari scouts ;)
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2639	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:22:00 - [20] - Quote Oh shut up allready. A fatty with a forgegun is a easy target for every. And if it is so "OP" go ahead and play as a heavy with a forgegun whole matches. You probs wouldnt even break a even K/D. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun

Cinnamon267 125	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:36:00 - [21] - Quote thomas mak wrote: a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon and able to shot right up top which rail can't higher possible max damage small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) can get ammo easiler, like realy? oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it I can sometimes get ammo easy with a Forge Gun. If there are supply depots. Which there aren't, usually. Because they are destroyed by tanks in the early game. I have to be lucky and find a pile of nanohives, somewhere. I can do higher possible damage, if I can hit you. But, your hardeners make hitting you pointless, almost. When the hardeners come up I just sit there and reload. Get back to 4 shots. Except then you just run away to the redline. At least I got 75 points out of it, though. I only have 4 shots per clip. I can't fire anywhere near as fast. And, I can be one shot if a rail tank hits me dead in the face. Which happens, many, many times. And you can run **** off to the redline very, very fast. I can waddle to cover in a slow manner whilst dying very fast to how powerful your main gun is and everyone else shooting at me. And, did I mention how fast rails can fire? I rarely kill tanks. Even with a proto Forge Gun. The best I can do is make you go away for a short period. Which is fine if I'm the only one doing anything. If I can get into a good spot, I can do some serious damage. But, I have to be able to get through the hardeners. Which is impossible because you always pop them and run away. To say they are OP is freaking crazy.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 669	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:51:00 - [22] - Quote Also, nothing is stopping you from using a tank AND a forge gun. Or a tank AND a suit with drop uplinks. Deal. With. It.
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 67	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:06:00 - [23] - Quote Come on guys - it's not personal. I've always been a forge gunner, and with them being the least changed weapons through out the series, I have to disagree - there is nothing wrong with forge guns at all - except for the bug that has appeared once before which prevents the projectiles leaving the gun once in every few shots, but other than that, the restrictions to the class and the fact that you are only limited to a sidearm if you equip one - to deal with infantry, I find them almost perfectly balanced. Part time Logi, Full time heavy.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 365	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:12:00 - [24] - Quote This thread has to be a April Fools Joke ........ I mean seriously ? No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2110	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:12:00 - [25] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Rail has nearly quadruple ammo capacity, DPS as high as forge's damage per shot (nearly before damage mods!) You can ADS, get to move faster than 5.5m/s, and can't be killed by every scrub with a rifle or a cloak. QQ moar. A friendly message from the Association of Missile Tankers This. His message has the official seal of approval.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2341	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:23:00 - [26] - Quote thomas mak wrote: a 12 PG weapon got longer range than a 545pg weapon How many Redline forge gunners do you see? and able to shot right up top which rail can't Also happens to be on a weaker slower medium higher possible max damage I'd like to see your maths for that, slower ROF, lower DPS, longer reload, smaller clip small partorm needed ( a tank's voloum is 100x of dropsuit) A partom? can get ammo easiler, like realy? Then stop blowing up all the Supply depot oh wow and even more type and no limited at number of people useing it [bdue to its lack of equal performance[/b] Came here expecting to see an infantry man whining. Was not disappointed when I found a tanker whining instead. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Nikka witagun Inner.Hell 2	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:53:00 - [27] - Quote Tank tears taste so good. As a dedicated forger, and a damn good one, go ** yourself. The forge gun is not OP in any way shape or form especially against a ***** vehicle! You are bad, your post is bad, and you should feel bad. Get good scrub.
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 116	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:57:00 - [28] - Quote Don't forget that the forge is broken and is worthless this build so far. The Assualt doent fire. Can't move whe charged with the breach and the standard is hit and miss. So **** off your vehicle is as stupid as a cloak "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 307	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:58:00 - [29] - Quote Still waiting for OP to say April Fools. >CCP Saberwing: "NERF EVERYTHING!!!" *THE-TITANS* Director and the one-and-only Mr. Contradiction
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution 624	Posted - 2014.04.01 12:06:00 - [30] - Quote I want a tank where I can fit 4+ forge guns on as my main turret "Military training is preferable, but anyone who can fly a plane would be useful." "I can fly. I'm pilot."



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