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Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.01 05:06:00 -
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Yea, cloaks are easy mode or OP.
If you want to watch youtube there are plenty of vids of NK users never de-cloaking, SG users never de-cloaking or de-cloaking after their second shot. Yea, right now that point is invalid.
Scouts aren't suppose to be running towards you, again, cloaks just encourage poor gameplay because for the most part scouts get away with this tactic because it isn't always easy to see them.
Changing weapon from cloaks should be 50% faster, are you kidding me?!
The duration of a cloak is not the problem, neither is the amount of reflection. The problem is as you've probably seen, players who make bad decisions with a fragile suit (hacking, climbing, running across open spaces, taking on heavies, taking on multiple enemies, bad angles of attack, not closing fast enough, general map awareness) are being compensated for their poor play by simply equipping a cloak.
Cloaks lower the risk that poor gameplay will punish a scout, and even goes as far to reward a scout impatience a, lack of strategy, and their inability to pick the right enemies to engage. So there is a very low risk, very high reward, and no drawbacks to a cloak, which by definition is overpowered. Furthermore, cloaks provide an offensive advantage to scouts who again are making poor choices and therefore do not deserve such an advantage. As you mentioned scouts are charging into battles, they do this because it is more successful than not and provide easy kills for bad players. It allows any skill level to get the drop on opponents without making informed and strategic decisions, and in some cases it is very hard to see a cloak (lag, poor frame rate issues, nanotubes blue hue covers them, some maps lighting, some maps have red/orange ash falling).
Scouts didn't need such a crutch to be a viable option before cloaks, scouts did fine. Most struggled as a scout but it was due to their poor gameplay and refusal to be patient and skillful in their movement or target selections, so basically, cloaks are all good and reward gameplay which should never be rewarded or encouraged.
Cloaks are not equal to other equipment, yet the advantage it provides is so great it can only be described as OP.
Scouts had some hard times, and now that cloaks are easy mode the scout community is out in full force to defend their crutch. They all want to be slayers and do well and have good scores. This enjoyment only encourages their denial of the real strength and use of cloaks. No one is going to be objective when they are having this much fun. Scouts are a difficult class to dominate with, but not that difficult to excel at... There is a difference, and all scouts want to dominate with cloaks because they are selfish. |
Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.01 05:08:00 -
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Can i add, scouts never use to have an as range of a cloak, yet with skillful movement and gameplay they could get right next to you and kill you without you seeing them. So without a cloak there is more skill and tactics, and with a cloak there is just easy mode. By definition a cloak makes things very easy to accomplish from what you to require skill.. Yea they are easy mode. Take a seat. |
Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.01 06:16:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:Man, that guy ^ REALLY hates cloaks. A novella in every thread.
In all honesty i love cloaks. I use a cloak in all three of my scout characters on each of their 3 builds.
Cloaks add to my enjoyment, they make my gameplay better, they cover my mistakes so i die less and make more ISK. They are a mandatory equipment, and they are so much fun and they also make things like crossing open spaces take less time and require less thought.
I'm not being sarcastic. I like my cloak, it helps me, its makes for better scores but in no way is it required/necessary or hpshouls be in game. It's an easy mode/crutch for when i make poor decisions.
I am just trying to be objective.
There nothing wrong with me going 20-2 proto stomping noobs, its fun, it's mostly enjoyable and its good SP/ISK and k/d rewards.. But in no way should my 17m SP char be matched up against my two 3m SP chars, but that's how things go. That's why the two things that make me mad are the terrible non-tier skill based matchmaking and these easy mode cloaks. |
Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.01 06:23:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Cotsy8 wrote:GIANT WALL OF TEXT!!! Please show us on the doll where the mean Scout(s) touched you. 
Show me why cloaks are required when skillful play can result in a kill whereby the enemy doesn't see the scout because he used skillful movement, correct angles of attack, strategy, and patience to pick the right target to engage.
Cloaks are new, scouts being excellent and it being seen is not. There's nothing wrong with loving cloaks, but objectively there are 15 things wrong with it and its only benefit is you don't have to be skilled to do well, and frankly thats garbage.
People want to reduce duration, reduce the visibility or increase it, reduce the weapon swap time...etc but in all honest remove them, scouts will be fine and have done fine without cloaks in the past (and this was before they got a huge boost in 1.8).
Hahaha and yes i write huge text blocks, which are detailed and argumentative in nature. But if you read them their points are strong, their arguments are valid. It's not my fault that scouts love easy mode, and when expressing their options in forums people are self interested and very few want fair, balanced gameplay.
Edit: before 1.7 there were a lot of scouts who did fine, a lot didn't but now i see these pricks arguing for cloaks because all of a sudden they became good. They are unskilled and undeserving of such rewards. They got easy mode on and think this is acceptable and required. Selfish ******* bitches. |
Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.01 06:27:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Cotsy8 wrote:The Eristic wrote:Man, that guy ^ REALLY hates cloaks. A novella in every thread. In all honesty i love cloaks. I use a cloak in all three of my scout characters on each of their 3 builds. Cloaks add to my enjoyment, they make my gameplay better, they cover my mistakes so i die less and make more ISK. They are a mandatory equipment, and they are so much fun and they also make things like crossing open spaces take less time and require less thought. I'm not being sarcastic. I like my cloak, it helps me, its makes for better scores but in no way is it required/necessary or hpshouls be in game. It's an easy mode/crutch for when i make poor decisions. I am just trying to be objective. There nothing wrong with me going 20-2 proto stomping noobs, its fun, it's mostly enjoyable and its good SP/ISK and k/d rewards.. But in no way should my 17m SP char be matched up against my two 3m SP chars, but that's how things go. That's why the two things that make me mad are the terrible non-tier skill based matchmaking and these easy mode cloaks. Nothin personal be there is really only one subset of scouts "abusing" cloak and that would be the SG scout. Those of us who don't run SG actually need it. I run LR scout and the cloak lets me get into a rear flanking position to confuse the enemy and assassinate what I think are key targets. Without the cloak I would have to waste most of the match trying to get into said flanking position.
Anyone who used a cloaks abuses the benefits it provides. There is nothing wrong with SG, bricked tanks, speed scouts, stealth scouts there is something wrong with cloaks. People like to argue get good and shoot them, how about you get good and stop relying on your crutch for your scores. I saw your 1.7 scores, they sucked.. You didn't get good overnight, oh thats right you got a cloak.
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