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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1812	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:01:00 - [1] - Quote You can skill the exact same suits to the exact same points with the exact same ISK. All the ISK and SP from those suits were refunded to you. And you can put them all back in the same place. If you want to. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1817	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:30:00 - [2] - Quote Temba, I'm saying you can put the same skill points back into the same skills, and you will be able to use those suits again. They simply gave you the option to redistribute those skills. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1817	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:40:00 - [3] - Quote Temba, the only reason this happened was because the playerbase had a tantrum about the possibility of not having one. CCP didn't intend to give a respec, but the community demanded one. Realistically, they would've ticked off more players by not doing it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1817	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:32:00 - [4] - Quote Bear in mind, I am not in favor of respecs, as a general concept. So, when you accuse me of personal bias in defending their decision, you do so incorrectly. However, the reality is, that CCP has to base decisions on their vocal audience. Nearly all of which were pushing for a respec. Additionally, the CPM, the player council who advises CCP, was entirely united in strongly pushing for a respec. Therefore, a respec, albeit a partial one, was given. The CPM clearly conveyed that up until the last possible moment before the respec was announced, CCP was not planning to offer any kind of refund or respec. CCP made this decision solely based on player demand. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1819	Posted - 2014.04.01 22:17:00 - [5] - Quote In many cases though, Canari, CPM already know the problem. Getting CCP to fix it, however, is an entirely different matter. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1822	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:13:00 - [6] - Quote Temba, bear in mind that technology in DUST is different. The materials used in DUST equipment is also different. I can buy a car for less than I paid for my Google Glass device. Why? Because one might be a few decades old, and one is newer and more advanced technology. The "mineral content" of Glass is a minute fraction of that car, but that's not what determines the market value of something. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1837	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:11:00 - [7] - Quote Temba, I've played EVE online for several years. Many things of widely disproportionate material value are made from the same materials. There's a lot more that goes into prices than just materials. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1837	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:02:00 - [8] - Quote Temba, even if the base materials are mostly the same, think about how Tech 2 ships, for example, are limited. Sure, their hulls are Tritanium like all the others, but there are additional components with much higher value. The availability of those components gates the price for those vessels. Similarly, dropsuits will surely use at least some components unique to DUST. In fact, they have to. In order to preserve economic balance, DUST suits need to be build primarily with DUST materials, ISK-wise. Maybe a suit requires like one Tritanium to build for the "hull", but a host of special components that can only be acquired in DUST. And actually... let's throw some lore in here, Temba: "When set off, the tritanium's contact with air would cause a violent expansion that broke through the bomb's shell along with anything else in the near vicinity." - EVE: The Burning Life, by Hjalti Danielsson Not sure something that "violently expands" when it touches air is a good thing to build dropsuits out of. So there's your lore evidence that dropsuits use different materials. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1837	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:41:00 - [9] - Quote Temba Fusrodah wrote: You mention that "In order to preserve economic balance, DUST suits need to be build primarily with DUST materials, ISK-wise. Maybe a suit requires like one Tritanium to build for the "hull", but a host of special components that can only be acquired in DUST." is that your opinion or a fact? This is a fact. The essential point is that EVE's economy could use an ISK sink, and it could use an ISK exchange, but DUST should not allow large amounts of ISK to flow into EVE's economy. If DUST suits, tanks, etc. are largely built with EVE materials, and sold to DUST mercs for ISK, then ISK is flowing into EVE. Also, then DUST's side of the economy will be ISK poor, since they had to send it all to EVE players for things. However, if DUST materials are used, then the EVE industrialist will have to buy those materials from a DUST player (sending ISK to DUST) and then selling those DUST items back to DUST players (sending ISK back to EVE, with a profit margin). As it is, that will entail some ISK moving from DUST to EVE, but at a much smaller rate, overall. It's an economic control. And similar to how CCP can adjust rates of items in EVE dropping or being refined to tweak the economy, they can tweak DUST item drop rates to tweak the economy from that end. It allows CCP to ensure the game remains economically stable, and that neither game topples the economy of the other. So even if the hull of the suits are a DUST mineral, the bulk majority of the suits' value needs to come from DUST-specific components, which could come in the form of specific types of circuitry, similar to salvage items in EVE. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1837	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:49:00 - [10] - Quote Temba Fusrodah wrote: So if crew breathes air clearly the volatile tritanium is not used in any portion of the ship people inhabit. Tritanium is just one material used in building ships and space gear used by capsuleers. To say that because one material used by capsuleers to build ship hulls in not usable in atmospheres means that some new material required to build suits is not available to capsuleers just does not track in my humble opinion sir. Well, the lore states otherwise. It's possible that the atmospheric composition in the air aboard ships is intentionally different than what you find on planets, as to not set off the tritanium, or that it's coated or sandwiched between other materials for starships. The reality is, there's always a lore excuse for things. But DUST materials have to create DUST stuff because of the economic nature of the game. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1839	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:47:00 - [11] - Quote My point is that if you want to maintain economic balance between two games where ISK will eventually flow freely, ISK flowing to one has to roughly match the ISK flowing back to the other. And since items have value that is exchanged for that ISK, the items flowing from one to the other need to also make a return trip. By ensuring the bulk of the value is brought from DUST to EVE, and then from EVE back to DUST, the balance is preserved. That's economics. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1839	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote http://imgur.com/m5T4JYK I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1839	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:58:00 - [13] - Quote Did I miss questions in my thread? I'll have to go back and look. To be honest, I gave you a GIF response because I can see what you're trying to do, and I'm not interested in participating. Your notion that I've failed to have a civil discussion with you, is in fact, your opinion. ;) A couple of your responses were somewhat condescending, but I let them go. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1847	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:03:00 - [14] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Who are you? answer that? to me you're a non-factor? Doesn't matter who he is. He plays DUST. That's all the right he needs to be here. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

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