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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:38:00 -
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RemingtonBeaver wrote:It is apparent that PC corporations are in no position to govern themselves as many found that grouping together to monopolize the game mode is far more profitable that playing it as intended. The renting of districts and paying protection fees is not what was intended. It has turned into its worst possible form. An extortion machine.
The Council should weigh in on this topic. I'm especially interested in how Kain Spero feels about it, considering he played a part in orchestrating this method of exaction and extortion.
Actually, I suggest you check out this game called "EVE Online", where a significant portion of the game's economy runs on rental systems. I would, in fact, suggest that the game is specifically intended to have renting of districts.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.04.01 22:15:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Final Thought - Always think about the mechanics of the game itself rather than putting the onus on other players to create work-arounds to a broken system. Its not the community's responsibility to fix the game, its CCPs. There will ALWAYS be someone who will take advantage of a situation for their own good, all they need is the opportunity.
This is a very important point. New Eden, in fact, encourages players to play selfishly. While it can cause drama and meta in it's own right, shaming someone for playing the game the way the game is designed isn't really fair to them.
Heck, a lot of people hate on Nyain San, yet Nyain San has never even really played exploitatively. They just happen to have bad server mechanics on their side and no competition in their time zone.
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Posted - 2014.04.02 12:41:00 -
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M1tch, I never said the current mechanics weren't broken. The fact that it's more profitable to hold a district than to rent it out (passive ISK) proves that much. But the reality is, for a sandbox to exist here, options like renting has to exist. And renting is a model that ensures more people get a chance to play in the territory than they would be able to otherwise. A large amount of people who live in nullsec space, for example, do not have anywhere near the means to hold nullsec space, even a small amount. However, those players, due to a rental model, are able to weigh the risks and rewards of doing so, and living there under the protection of a larger party, while remaining independent.
Renting models allow more people to be involved. The current dominant corps aren't renting, so I'm not "patting them on the back". The game model doesn't really support renting right now, since again, you make more on passive ISK than you can on rental fees, so the current game doesn't provide any reason to rent. If profit can only be made in PC through something like PvE, then there would be a reason to lease districts, if the larger entity didn't want to involve themselves with running the PvE modes, for example.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.04.02 15:13:00 -
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I wouldn't say it should be just "shelved", given the popularity of the decision to do that for corp battles. But it'd make sense to pull the ISK out of it, and put that ISK back into pubs and FacWar. Let people continue to use PC for playing around, but don't reward people for it, until it's actually a working game mode.
The redline issue continues to primarily be about map design. You should never have overlook over the main map area from behind your redline. Snipers sit in the redline because it's not only protected, it's actually just outright the best sniper perch, since the game uses "bowl-shaped" map designs. A lot of the redline issues could be solved, at least temporarily, by pushing the redline a lot further back, so they still have one, but it can't be used to shoot at people on objectives.
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Posted - 2014.04.02 15:27:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:All ISK generated in Molden Heath need to be either removed, or devalued by completely changing the scale of money involved in PC.
I prefer the second option.
I think to some degree, that will probably happen. By inflating the economy, to bring it closer to EVE ISK value, CCP can render the ISK stockpiles people have "less valuable" without removing it. This could be accomplished by simultaneously raising market prices and raising pub match payout, but not increasing people's wallets. That may, to some degree, actually happen naturally once the player market launches.
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