DUST Search - Buff Lower Tier swarms

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Right now the progression of swarms is really kind of wonky. Due to adding more high-damage missiles, the swarm launcher progresses at +25% damage intervals rather than the normal +5-10%.

Here is the difference in damage progression from the forge gun and the swarm launcher.

This makes balancing the swarm launcher difficult, as when you balance the prototype swarm launcher damage you then relegate the standard to irrelevance.

My suggestion is to make all swarm launcers fire the same amount of missiles, but to change the damage per missile. Using a -10% dmg per tier approach, change all swarms to 4 missiles with 270 (standard), 300 (advanced) and 330 (prototype) damage per missile.

Here is what the new damage progression would look like. Much better.

EDIT:

Nova knives also suffer the same fate, the standard knives are useless, doing less than half of the prototype version.

I suggest also to bring these weapons in-line with the rest of the weapons in the game.

Give standard knives 160 damage, advanced knives 180 damage and then keep prototype knives at 200.

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Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 750	Posted - 2014.04.10 22:02:00 - [31] - Quote bump Fixing swarms
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 788	Posted - 2014.04.14 06:11:00 - [32] - Quote Oh and fix the 55% efficiency bug against some vehicles.. It makes the horrible standard swarms just lol bad. Fixing swarms
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1833	Posted - 2014.04.14 06:15:00 - [33] - Quote +1 for very much agree. In the same vein, fix shield extender scaling to mirror plates. Nerdier than thou
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 788	Posted - 2014.04.14 06:34:00 - [34] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: +1 for very much agree. In the same vein, fix shield extender scaling to mirror plates. I also agree with your assertion. Extenders should take more CPU/less PG, they should also progress at 44/55/66 to mirror plates. To show that those values are closer, we only need to look at percentages; basic armor plate = 62% of a complex (85/135) new basic shield = 66% of a complex shield (44/66) adv armor plate = 85% of a complex plate (115/85) new adv shield = 83% of a complex shield (55/66) This is a simple fix as well that does not alter balance of the types of tanking, but does offer usefulness of items below complex, like how the shields do now. Fixing swarms
SeeD A Dust Garden 15	Posted - 2014.04.15 03:21:00 - [35] - Quote Another thing is: swarms vs dropships. You lock the dropship, missiles are fired and to escape(not evade) the damage all you have to do is pass the atmosphere go to the eve universe, by that time the missiles had exploded, go to the most near dock station repair your dropship and then enter the atmosphere and your are good to go. If they shoot more swarms missiles, repeat. [Space Reserved for future post]
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 C0VEN 205	Posted - 2014.04.15 18:25:00 - [36] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Right now the progression of swarms is really kind of wonky. Due to adding more high-damage missiles, the swarm launcher progresses at +25% damage intervals rather than the normal +5-10%. Here is the difference in damage progression from the forge gun and the swarm launcher. This makes balancing the swarm launcher difficult, as when you balance the prototype swarm launcher damage you then relegate the standard to irrelevance. My suggestion is to make all swarm launcers fire the same amount of missiles, but to change the damage per missile. Using a -10% dmg per tier approach, change all swarms to 4 missiles with 270 (standard), 300 (advanced) and 330 (prototype) damage per missile. Here is what the new damage progression would look like. Much better. EDIT: Nova knives also suffer the same fate, the standard knives are useless, doing less than half of the prototype version. I suggest also to bring these weapons in-line with the rest of the weapons in the game. Give standard knives 160 damage, advanced knives 180 damage and then keep prototype knives at 200. See my Swarm Launcher Post HERE It's a few month old, but most of what it proposes would still be helpful to balance current Swarm vs. vehicle (ALL vehicle types, not just HAV) nothing to see here ... move along
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 104	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:51:00 - [37] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Right now the progression of swarms is really kind of wonky. Due to adding more high-damage missiles, the swarm launcher progresses at +25% damage intervals rather than the normal +5-10%. Here is the difference in damage progression from the forge gun and the swarm launcher. This makes balancing the swarm launcher difficult, as when you balance the prototype swarm launcher damage you then relegate the standard to irrelevance. My suggestion is to make all swarm launcers fire the same amount of missiles, but to change the damage per missile. Using a -10% dmg per tier approach, change all swarms to 4 missiles with 270 (standard), 300 (advanced) and 330 (prototype) damage per missile. Here is what the new damage progression would look like. Much better. EDIT: Nova knives also suffer the same fate, the standard knives are useless, doing less than half of the prototype version. I suggest also to bring these weapons in-line with the rest of the weapons in the game. Give standard knives 160 damage, advanced knives 180 damage and then keep prototype knives at 200. The only consolation for the current way it works is that at least proto swarms only run 27k isk, so they are (relative to most other prototype weapons) cheap to run
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1055	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:47:00 - [38] - Quote I figured since this forum is actually being read now to bump this. Fixing swarms
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2427	Posted - 2014.05.18 17:32:00 - [39] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I figured since this forum is actually being read now to bump this. lol I won't oppose any changes here if they were to be made, but I like the Nova Knives as-is. They;re the only ones I really feel like made a progression and were worth unlocking as proto. I also have Proficiency III and proto Min Scout. I think I'm in the personal opinion that Swarms shouldn't just be given the standard damage progression of other light weapons and should instead be geared towards taking each type of vehicle out. STD for LAVs, ADV for MAVs/DSs, and PRO for HAV or maybe just making 3 variants per level that do extra damage to the vehicle class. Either way, Swarms are not in a good place now. Any change would be good. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1222	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:33:00 - [40] - Quote There are some inconsistencies in damage progression that I need to study well with the team. I will keep you posted. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"




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