All i See in this post is a player who puts all logis in the "ooh-you-can't-play-fps"-camp.

Remember nano hives in Chromosome? Did anyone complain?

Remember nano hives in Uprising <1.8?

I'm sure you know how quick a hive can go empty since you can tell the difference between a good and bad logi . We're forced to use proto-level equipment while everyone else can still use their standard weapons to kill people as effectively.

What it means is that anyone doing much at all with deployable equipment is going to be siting on his hands most of the match. Any suit with a significant investment in hives and uplinks is going to be expensive and somewhat squishy, making it a very poor choice for the front line. Instead of swapping out for a more active suit you would be better off cooling your heels back at base.

That is boring as hell, so what will happen is a migration from the Logi suit to the Scout suit for deployment. The Scout has two slots now and enough fitting to make good use of them. It's also faster and stronger and possesses a lower profile and higher precision. The lack of equipment bonus doesn't matter because the Logi suit effectively loses it after you put it away. The Scout makes an ideal logistics platform.

Yes I would suck, I wouldn't be able to support my squad with that advanced nanohive for more than 2 min before I need to search a nearby supply depot to restock which means I'm out of the battle-zone. Because nano hives being depleted in an eye blink is no difference in opinion, it's a fact.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

So you basically agree that adv hives are **** because you'll spend 90% of your time not with your squad.

and then I haven't talked about the movement of the battle and number of available hives.

Please keep digging your own hole.

So how do we change the game to make it less boring for a support player and less spammy equipment instead of complaining? I never see anyone answer this question.

You can fit a proto cloak and a proto piece of equipment and run from one end of the map to the other to deliver the equipment with little to no risk while cloaked. Not many people I know use the same suit from start to finish of any map so this truly makes two of the logi suits worthless for the most part (Amarr and Caldari).

I agree with RKKR, you keep digging yourself into a hole.

You're the one mixing up my posts...and it seems you need to pick a side yourself (I was just pointing out your errors + it seems all bonuses are gone when you switch suits for equipment so why are you arguing that?) or stop using passive phrases that denies your previous statements

And yes if my hives are going to suck and I'm spending 90% of my time running to restock my hives....a scouts mobility is more helpful...the better scans,... would be too because I don't have to tell you that a true logi tries to avoid fights when he is running on his own with crap stamina .

I'm tired of you, see you tomorrow to check the depth of your hole.

They are two separate points though.

The equipment nerf, and the logi bonuses and how they apply.

On the bonuses, and the manner in which they do apply, CCP absolutely should have been more clear, especailly about what would or would not allow the bonus to function. This is a large part of why I specced Gallente logi, because I was not sure at all how the bonuses would play out, and I suspected that they would not function properly for some weeks.

On the equipment nerf though, it is mostly whining and pining for what was. I can say that running nanohives, a needle and a rep tool on a Gallente logi is not a bad setup for squad support. I could even throw some links if I wanted to.

I still revive guys at 80%, which is darn good enough for even my crappy rep tool(never invested SP, was an Amarr logi before) to top guys off between combat. Sure you have to carry proto hives if you are around muppets, but if you are with a squad who doesn't act a fool with their grenades, advanced hives can go a long way. Sure the links won't get that 4 second spawn time, but if you can't protect a link for 8 seconds, you probably shouldn't put it there anyway.

On top of all that adequate logi work I can put in, I also get super scans.

Oh, and a nice slot layout that lets me rock 700hp at advanced and 900hp at proto with no problems. With anything from 2-15 reps.

Seriously, if you can't logi in the current system, you weren't a good logi in the last build either. You were just an equipment spamming, scan dancing crate hider with a rep tool. The last to die, but always with a full clip.

Maybe because of this:
Charge the point drop a couple up-links and take the objective battle across the road and take the supply unit drop a couple up-links. now I'm standing in front of a supply unit with no equipment and hear "I need AMMO"
So what do i do?
give up the 3 second up-links to give him ammo?
Wear the Amarr and waste isk on bad nanohives?
As any good Logi would do I would switch to a min suit and give him the good stuff and waste isk on bad up-links.
What the F*ck did I spend 2.8 mil SP for?

The bonus applies to suits of all levels, so he could drop two different kinds of proto uplinks from a basic suit if he wanted to and get the same effect.

In addition to that, I don't think dying allows you to keep the equipment bonus. If you change suits, the bonus goes away.

Wanting your equipment to work even if you've changed suits doesn't necessarily imply you are an equipment spammer. Dropping two uplinks and then changing to follow your heavy around is a valid tactic that actually contributes to the team as a whole.

I realize spamming a supply depot with uplinks and then spamming it with nanohives and then repping a heavy near it is a tactic that has very little benefit to the team as a whole. It just causes lag and inflates the WP score without adding much to actually winning the match, but not everyone who wants to drop an uplink and swap to a scout or a rep logi is trying to exploit the server capacity.

Whether one likes SirManBoy and his corp or not is irrelevant, in this case he's got a point and I think it's worth actually debating.

Now I'm off to eat my lunch, which happens to have been provided to me by my work at no cost.

Some of us logis have, er, aiming problems...

There's a reason snipers snipe and logi's logi. I got news for you, it ain't because we're good at assaulting things

pathetic retort
i have the same problem with my weapons
how much isk did you put into your fast reload speed?
where is the fast reload speed module in the market?
You see we pay for the uplinks and pay for the nanohives and pay for the rep tools...

I can understand this a little due to the fact I run logi suits and have dumped all my SP in it so I can be a better logi just to find out if I change my suit to better help my team I get penalized but it is what it is.

Unfortunately we either A. don't have enough equipment slots or B not enough CPU/PG. I am still trying to find balance here LOL!! I need a scanner, no wait I need to drop more uplinks....... Wait I need a rep tool........ crap, now I need a nanite injector!!!! Hey where's the nanohives? I am out of ammo .......... I NEED A DRINK!!! but I love my logi suits and I love being the happy helperton

IMO the spam doesn't just come from logi's. It's from everybody who's anybody who has an equipment slot on their suit and feels the need to carry an uplink or nanohive. Maybe we need to get more suit specific and if your NOT in a logi suit you CANNOT carry uplinks ........ I don't know I am still learning.

I appreciate those of you who appreciate the logi and the nanite injector because you would have lost a suit, or the rep tool to help you stand a chance against the sea of boundless heavies or the nanohive so you don't have to run half way across the map just to refill on ammo and risk running into a swarm of red and I appreciate the other classes for covering my arse so I can do my job too :-)!!

Faster spawn times are far more strategically important than better hives, so that means Amar over Cadari in the new world order.

If the equipment is drawing CPU and power from my suit all the way across the map, just think about the possibilities of powering suits off of the MCC. Just imagine not having to worry about fitting requirements. Someone should get to work on ths right away!

You'd think it was the most combat oriented, but it doesn't work out that way in competitive settings.