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Posted - 2014.03.31 16:17:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It's to discourage equipment spamming which is the cause of a lot of lag these days.
Imagine spawning in with a logi fitted with a lot of uplinks boosted to the max with bonuses and then spam uplinks and hives around a supply depot then swap into your typical assault/scout/sentinal/whatever suit and watch the WPs roll in while at the same time lag is being induced because of excessive spamming.
I don't see how this impacts equipment span at all, especially if the intent is to lag the game. I specced into Amarri and Minmatar Logi with the idea of using links then when I die switching to Min to heal, why should I be discouraged from that. How does eliminating my bonus prevent equipment spam?
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Posted - 2014.03.31 16:23:00 -
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I really think they are trying to eliminate the logi suit. I can do a logi job better from either a scout suit or a heavy suit if equipment doesn't get a bonus passively. I'd give up my Min bonus to be able to stay alive longer and I don't want to play Amarri and be slow and die so my team can spawn a little faster.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:12:00 -
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What it means is that when I play Amarri Logi ALL I am going to do is lay uplinks. I'll put down 8 links then hide. Ok, I won't do that but I should. To me this makes no sense, since equipment isn't tied to a clones life, why should the bonus be? I get WP for links I laid down even if I die and spawn in my heavy suit, why should the stats of that link change because I switched suits. There is no consistency.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:02:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Simple solution:
Die instead of switching suits at a depot. On your next spawn, spawn minny with your rep tool.
All the bonuses all for the cost of a suit.
Oh, you didn't want to spend a proto suit to just get faster spawns and lots of WP while you play johnny rep tool? Tough.
No free lunches.
That is not a solution if the same rules apply, and my team benefits from the cost of me providing faster spawns, I get the same WP from militia links.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:13:00 -
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I guess I should confirm that this is even true before commenting further but this only affects Cal and Amarri logis. The Amarri logi bonus is the only bonus in the entire game that primarily affects the team rather than the player. I can throw down links for WP, I throw good links and am trying to get a bonus for my team, not me. The same way I hunt for good placement where spawns will be safe or impact the game. The latter gets me killed, lots.
I am going to have to check into this further, it defies common sense.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:36:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Gyyast wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:
Oh, you didn't want to spend a proto suit to just get faster spawns and lots of WP while you play johnny rep tool? Tough.
No free lunches.
The bonus applies to suits of all levels, so he could drop two different kinds of proto uplinks from a basic suit if he wanted to and get the same effect. In addition to that, I don't think dying allows you to keep the equipment bonus. If you change suits, the bonus goes away. Wanting your equipment to work even if you've changed suits doesn't necessarily imply you are an equipment spammer. Dropping two uplinks and then changing to follow your heavy around is a valid tactic that actually contributes to the team as a whole. I realize spamming a supply depot with uplinks and then spamming it with nanohives and then repping a heavy near it is a tactic that has very little benefit to the team as a whole. It just causes lag and inflates the WP score without adding much to actually winning the match, but not everyone who wants to drop an uplink and swap to a scout or a rep logi is trying to exploit the server capacity. Whether one likes SirManBoy and his corp or not is irrelevant, in this case he's got a point and I think it's worth actually debating. Now I'm off to eat my lunch, which happens to have been provided to me by my work at no cost. The equipment still works. Just you don't get to keep the Rapid Reload bonus from Caldari Assault when you switch to a Gallente Assault. Yes I know it's Logis, but why should Logis not follow the rules that all other suits follow?
We are only referring to Amarri and Caldari logis. The difference is our bonuses apply to the passive equipment we drop. The other two logis have active bonuses, just like every other suit, but uplinks and hives have never been tied to the suit or the life of the person dropping them. Your link continues even after you die. So why should the bonus for the equipment change. It should depend on what suit and level dropped them, not what suit that person is currently wearing.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 03:54:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:RockNrolla Ayatollah wrote:I can understand this a little due to the fact I run logi suits and have dumped all my SP in it so I can be a better logi just to find out if I change my suit to better help my team I get penalized but it is what it is. Unfortunately we either A. don't have enough equipment slots or B not enough CPU/PG. I am still trying to find balance here LOL!! I need a scanner, no wait I need to drop more uplinks....... Wait I need a rep tool........ crap, now I need a nanite injector!!!! Hey where's the nanohives? I am out of ammo ..........  I NEED A DRINK!!! but I love my logi suits and I love being the happy helperton  IMO the spam doesn't just come from logi's. It's from everybody who's anybody who has an equipment slot on their suit and feels the need to carry an uplink or nanohive. Maybe we need to get more suit specific and if your NOT in a logi suit you CANNOT carry uplinks ........ I don't know I am still learning. I appreciate those of you who appreciate the logi and the nanite injector because you would have lost a suit, or the rep tool to help you stand a chance against the sea of boundless heavies or the nanohive so you don't have to run half way across the map just to refill on ammo and risk running into a swarm of red and I appreciate the other classes for covering my arse so I can do my job too :-)!! Well one logi was never supposed to be able to do everything. That's why logis are upset now, because CCP said, "Ooops, you weren't supposed to be able to cover all logistic support!" Which isn't entirely true, you can still drop hives, drop uplinks, swap suits and run around with a rep tool and nanite and/or scanner. You just won't get all bonuses, which comes back to the whole, commandos, scouts. assault, and sentinels do not get all racial bonuses on each suit why should logis?
I'm not sure what you aren't getting. For the Amarri and Caldari logistics our bonus is to our equipment, not our suits or our clones, this is unlike any other suit bonus. It is also a team based bonus, not an individual one. I don't get more WP because of faster spawn times, my team benefits, not me. Equipment once deployed has never been tied to a players suit or life before, there is no reason for it to be now. If they wanted to confine logis to specializing in one role they should have picked bonuses based on active equipment use, not picked two based on passive equipment use which requires different rules than any other suits.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 03:57:00 -
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I have to admit this seems all to be speculation, at least on my part, so I am talking theoretically until I have confirmed how the bonuses actually work.
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