DUST Search - Who else prefers HMG nerf over sentinel eHP nerf?

Orin the Freak wrote:

Fiddlestaxp wrote:

Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf.

How does one "Dislike" a post?

anyway... Heavies are fine. Ever since 1.8 launched, I thought, if CCP felt they had to nerf ANYTHING, it should be the HMG, and by SMALL... SMALLLLL increments. The Heavy feels fine right now. The biggest problem is cloaky scouts shotgun backstabbing people directly out of cloak. Cloak is the game breaker here.

I must admit though, when I play my heavy, it seems the HMG destroys people so much faster than any other gun... within about 30m. at Assault range, the HMG is nearly useless, and I become a damage sponge. Then a scout 2 or 3 shots me :P

but I agree, IF they decide to do anything to heavies, it's the HMG. but I'd rather them do nothing to heavies, and nerf the cloak.

Scouts right now don't just counter heavies, they counter EVERYTHING with their unscannable-ness to anything but other scouts, and their instant ambush before even fully decloaked.

and the cloak is nigh impenetrable, and instantly re-initializable. [sic]

Edit: so I'm in the HMG not EHP, or neither "just leave heavies be" camp. but as soon as the cloak gets nerfed, people will scream nerf the heavies. I am calling it now.

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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:34:00 - [1] - Quote I think it's only fair, both to heavies who are supposed to be HP tanks and are still being easily 2 or 3KOed by shotguns, and to the other classes having their rifles nerfed. It just shouldn't go beyond a 10% damage or RoF nerf and/or greater inaccuracy at range. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
jerrmy12 kahoalii 770	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:37:00 - [2] - Quote bamboo x wrote: I think it's only fair, both to heavies who are supposed to be HP tanks and are still being easily 2 or 3KOed by shotguns, and to the other classes having their rifles nerfed. It just shouldn't go beyond a 10% damage or RoF nerf and/or greater inaccuracy at range. Hmg needs nerf and the cal and min heavies need buffing shield wise Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:39:00 - [3] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: bamboo x wrote: I think it's only fair, both to heavies who are supposed to be HP tanks and are still being easily 2 or 3KOed by shotguns, and to the other classes having their rifles nerfed. It just shouldn't go beyond a 10% damage or RoF nerf and/or greater inaccuracy at range. Hmg needs nerf and the cal and min heavies need buffing shield wise Everything that shield tanks needs a shield buff except Scout ck.0 B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6367	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:40:00 - [4] - Quote When my Ion Pistol has a longer range than an HMG, I'll be satisfied.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 257	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:41:00 - [5] - Quote Neither is needed especially since all heavy weapons have not been introduced. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote neither they are fine, it took a long time to get the heavy to where it is and this is the way heavies were meant to be. Read the description of a heavy The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available. What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles. All true when it was beta and closed beta. The heavy had a purpose and it was something to fear, that is why a heavy is point defense. It is supposed to take tactics to take a heavy not one on one. A heavy is the equivalent of a tank for infantry.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5527	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:44:00 - [7] - Quote NO! Think about what you're asking for. for the love of the Amarr's man sausage god, my minmatar heavy wouldn't be complete anymore, it's barely competitive now! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1048	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:44:00 - [8] - Quote Why nerf anything? Heavies are dying to rifles all the time even with the rifle 'nerf' I've even taken out a fair few with pistols "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
The Tunski OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 33	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote I don't see the prob with heavies IMO. They are supposed to be feared and used to lock down objectives. I see way too many people going full steam ahead at heavies and it's pretty funny. A heavy with a logi in a closed objective have always been OP. You just see more now.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:46:00 - [10] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: NO! Think about what you're asking for. for the love of the Amarr's man sausage god, my minmatar heavy wouldn't be complete anymore, it's barely competitive now! Have you even SEEN how negligible the ~10% nerf has been to CR and RR? Get a hold of yourself man. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5527	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:48:00 - [11] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NO! Think about what you're asking for. for the love of the Amarr's man sausage god, my minmatar heavy wouldn't be complete anymore, it's barely competitive now! Have you even SEEN how negligible the ~10% nerf has been to CR and RR? Get a hold of yourself man. NO, I DON'T WANNA! STOP NERFING MR MATARI! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: bamboo x wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NO! Think about what you're asking for. for the love of the Amarr's man sausage god, my minmatar heavy wouldn't be complete anymore, it's barely competitive now! Have you even SEEN how negligible the ~10% nerf has been to CR and RR? Get a hold of yourself man. NO, I DON'T WANNA! STOP NERFING MR MATARI! Although I can't help but agree that if the SG isn't getting a nerf neither should HMG. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13941	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:49:00 - [13] - Quote HMGs are nearly spot on right now... CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:51:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: HMGs are nearly spot on right now... Well then why are they even thinking about nerfing heavies? In this case nothing should be changed. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1322	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:53:00 - [15] - Quote I have a heavy alt that I haven't used since 1.8, but I've fought against plenty and they seem ok to me. Scouts seem to do a good job taking them down in CQC, and I enjoy melting them from range with my LR as they desperately try to waddle their way to cover while their armor melts off. The range on the HMG may need a small nerf, but it should be more desirable to fit than a light weapon. I could also see turn speeds on the heavy suits getting nerfed back to previous values. Keep their HPs high and the HMG good though. Best PvE idea ever!
HappyAsshole1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:54:00 - [16] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Edit: If they're going to do this though, an equal nerf should be applied to the Shotgun. I think it's only fair, both to heavies who are supposed to be HP tanks and are still being easily 2 or 3KOed by shotguns, and to the other classes having their rifles nerfed. It just shouldn't go beyond a 10% damage or RoF nerf and/or greater inaccuracy at range. Edit: Guys, if CCP decides to nerf heavies in some way, I don't see any of us stopping them. I am leaning towards agreement that heavies don't need a nerf but at the day it's not up to us. yeah let's nerf our anti infantry weapon. got proto RR to fight back.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 368	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:56:00 - [17] - Quote The main nerf I want to HMG is the removal of that slowdown effect. As soon as you even get hit by one of those things, if you aren't nearby a corner where you can get around it in about a second, you're dead as you can't move. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13941	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:56:00 - [18] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: HMGs are nearly spot on right now... Well then why are they even thinking about nerfing heavies? In this case nothing should be changed. The heavy ehp is under debate still You have to remember ccp balances from top game down. Thier suits are full prototype and skills are maxed out. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:58:00 - [19] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: The main nerf I want to HMG is the removal of that slowdown effect. As soon as you even get hit by one of those things, if you aren't nearby a corner where you can get around it in about a second, you're dead as you can't move. I think this is a glitch I haven't experienced, happening to cloaked people B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
HappyAsshole1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:03:00 - [20] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: The main nerf I want to HMG is the removal of that slowdown effect. As soon as you even get hit by one of those things, if you aren't nearby a corner where you can get around it in about a second, you're dead as you can't move. it happens any weapon you use. heavy suffer that also and i want to keep it.

Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:13:00 - [21] - Quote Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1144	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:19:00 - [22] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf. you do know that 10% armor plate nerf applies to everyone who stacks those plates and not just the heavies right? YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
HappyAsshole1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:20:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: bamboo x wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: HMGs are nearly spot on right now... Well then why are they even thinking about nerfing heavies? In this case nothing should be changed. The heavy ehp is under debate still You have to remember ccp balances from top game down. Thier suits are full prototype and skills are maxed out. A 20% ehp change can easily mean 5% to 4% bonus change. i hope they don't change it too much. i didn't max shield and armor for fun.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1067	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:21:00 - [24] - Quote Or force heavy slots to fit only heavy weapons. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 761	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:22:00 - [25] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf. How does one "Dislike" a post? anyway... Heavies are fine. Ever since 1.8 launched, I thought, if CCP felt they had to nerf ANYTHING, it should be the HMG, and by SMALL... SMALLLLL increments. The Heavy feels fine right now. The biggest problem is cloaky scouts shotgun backstabbing people directly out of cloak. Cloak is the game breaker here. I must admit though, when I play my heavy, it seems the HMG destroys people so much faster than any other gun... within about 30m. at Assault range, the HMG is nearly useless, and I become a damage sponge. Then a scout 2 or 3 shots me :P but I agree, IF they decide to do anything to heavies, it's the HMG. but I'd rather them do nothing to heavies, and nerf the cloak. Scouts right now don't just counter heavies, they counter EVERYTHING with their unscannable-ness to anything but other scouts, and their instant ambush before even fully decloaked. and the cloak is nigh impenetrable, and instantly re-initializable. [sic] Edit: so I'm in the HMG not EHP, or neither "just leave heavies be" camp. but as soon as the cloak gets nerfed, people will scream nerf the heavies. I am calling it now.
HappyAsshole1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:29:00 - [26] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Or force heavy slots to fit only heavy weapons. fine! give your RR to us so we have mid-long range weapon.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2621	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:40:00 - [27] - Quote Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
HappyAsshole1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:40:00 - [28] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf. How does one "Dislike" a post? anyway... Heavies are fine. Ever since 1.8 launched, I thought, if CCP felt they had to nerf ANYTHING, it should be the HMG, and by SMALL... SMALLLLL increments. The Heavy feels fine right now. The biggest problem is cloaky scouts shotgun backstabbing people directly out of cloak. Cloak is the game breaker here. I must admit though, when I play my heavy, it seems the HMG destroys people so much faster than any other gun... within about 30m. at Assault range, the HMG is nearly useless, and I become a damage sponge. Then a scout 2 or 3 shots me :P but I agree, IF they decide to do anything to heavies, it's the HMG. but I'd rather them do nothing to heavies, and nerf the cloak. Scouts right now don't just counter heavies, they counter EVERYTHING with their unscannable-ness to anything but other scouts, and their instant ambush before even fully decloaked. and the cloak is nigh impenetrable, and instantly re-initializable. [sic] Edit: so I'm in the HMG not EHP, or neither "just leave heavies be" camp. but as soon as the cloak gets nerfed, people will scream nerf the heavies. I am calling it now. just leave heavies be sound good. some newbies who spec for heavy want to have some ehp and power of weapon. but they are slow,big targets and die without cover. so brains needs to be nerfed.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 537	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:14:00 - [29] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf. How the hell did you get into TeamPlayers? B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 537	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:15:00 - [30] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Or force heavy slots to fit only heavy weapons. I am for this idea, but I also think Commandos are far better at it now. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel

jerrmy12 kahoalii 772	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:16:00 - [31] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 537	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:18:00 - [32] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing But the shotgun should also be subject to that same nerf. Just 10% no more. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3793	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:21:00 - [33] - Quote B-B-B-But the heavies have been waiting so long to be a force on the field. Why do they need to be nerfed? I miss the days when I use to crap my pants when I saw a heavy heading in my direction. That's fun. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
jerrmy12 kahoalii 772	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:22:00 - [34] - Quote bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing But the shotgun should also be subject to that same nerf. Just 10% no more. Im fine with that Cal heavy: Reduced armor by 100/150 Increased shuelds by 100 I would love to see that Same maybe for min heavy, sentinels I mean Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
The Tunski OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 33	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:23:00 - [35] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing How's the HMG a crutch? There's two heavy weapons.... Maybe you think its a bit OP? But crutch is a bad use of words. Oh wait I'm on a gaming forum.....
jerrmy12 kahoalii 772	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:30:00 - [36] - Quote The Tunski wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing How's the HMG a crutch? There's two heavy weapons.... Maybe you think its a bit OP? But crutch is a bad use of words. Oh wait I'm on a gaming forum..... Go 1v1 with it... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 75	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:02:00 - [37] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Edit: If they're going to do this though, an equal nerf should be applied to the Shotgun. I think it's only fair, both to heavies who are supposed to be HP tanks and are still being easily 2 or 3KOed by shotguns, and to the other classes having their rifles nerfed. It just shouldn't go beyond a 10% damage or RoF nerf and/or greater inaccuracy at range. Edit: Guys, if CCP decides to nerf heavies in some way, I don't see any of us stopping them. I am leaning towards agreement that heavies don't need a nerf but at the day it's not up to us. yes -Open Beta Vet 19 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Tectonic Fusion 1368	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:10:00 - [38] - Quote Shotguns are underpowered... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4547	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:24:00 - [39] - Quote Neither are needed. I am your scan error.
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4547	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:25:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: HMGs are nearly spot on right now... EVERYTHING is nearly spot on right now. The only thing that needs to be done is a buff to small hybrid turrets. I am your scan error.

jerrmy12 kahoalii 773	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:02:00 - [41] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing But the shotgun should also be subject to that same nerf. Just 10% no more. Im fine with that Cal heavy: Reduced armor by 100/150 Increased shuelds by 100 I would love to see that Same maybe for min heavy, sentinels I mean Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2481	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:09:00 - [42] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NO! Think about what you're asking for. for the love of the Amarr's man sausage god, my minmatar heavy wouldn't be complete anymore, it's barely competitive now! Have you even SEEN how negligible the ~10% nerf has been to CR and RR? Get a hold of yourself man. Bonuses aren't applying properly. I'd guess that includes heavy ones. Tell me, what do you think happens when we nerf HMG (again)? Rifle heavies, that's what. No, if it gets a nerf it has to be the suit. Not that I think a nerf is in any way desirable or necessary, but even so. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
HappyAsshole1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:18:00 - [43] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Shotguns are underpowered... What!?
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 372	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:08:00 - [44] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Or force heavy slots to fit only heavy weapons. I am for this idea, but I also think Commandos are far better at it now. That's the point these days. Commandos have finally been released to what they're supposed to do so those are the light weapon heavy suits. The rest should now be heavy weapons only. Although I will concede that it would help if CCP would finish off the rest of heavy weapons. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
castba Penguin's March 359	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:28:00 - [45] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The Tunski wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing How's the HMG a crutch? There's two heavy weapons.... Maybe you think its a bit OP? But crutch is a bad use of words. Oh wait I'm on a gaming forum..... Go 1v1 with it... Against which weapon/suit and at what distance? sigh I do wish you would stop talking about heavies. Between this thread and your Cal Sentinel thread it is quite obvious that you have nfi what you are doing.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2118	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:09:00 - [46] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You have to remember ccp balances from top game down. Thier suits are full prototype and skills are maxed out. A 20% ehp change can easily mean 5% to 4% bonus change. Not trying to be a jerk, but I don't follow that math logic at all. A 5 to 4% bonus change is a 5% nerf not a 20% one in any way I try to cut it... In any case, I would be overjoyed if CCP nerfed bonuses instead of total HP. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
jerrmy12 kahoalii 779	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:09:00 - [47] - Quote castba wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The Tunski wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not this again. Heavys are fine as they are now. Stop beeing scrubs. The crutch machine gun needs nerfing How's the HMG a crutch? There's two heavy weapons.... Maybe you think its a bit OP? But crutch is a bad use of words. Oh wait I'm on a gaming forum..... Go 1v1 with it... Against which weapon/suit and at what distance? sigh I do wish you would stop talking about heavies. Between this thread and your Cal Sentinel thread it is quite obvious that you have nfi what you are doing. It was a rant It barely has tank though Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears


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