I think it's only fair, both to heavies who are supposed to be HP tanks and are still being easily 2 or 3KOed by shotguns, and to the other classes having their rifles nerfed.

It just shouldn't go beyond a 10% damage or RoF nerf and/or greater inaccuracy at range.

Hmg needs nerf and the cal and min heavies need buffing shield wise

NO!

Think about what you're asking for.

for the love of the Amarr's man sausage god, my minmatar heavy wouldn't be complete anymore, it's barely competitive now!

Have you even SEEN how negligible the ~10% nerf has been to CR and RR? Get a hold of yourself man.

NO, I DON'T WANNA!

STOP NERFING MR MATARI!

HMGs are nearly spot on right now...

Edit: If they're going to do this though, an equal nerf should be applied to the Shotgun.

I think it's only fair, both to heavies who are supposed to be HP tanks and are still being easily 2 or 3KOed by shotguns, and to the other classes having their rifles nerfed.

It just shouldn't go beyond a 10% damage or RoF nerf and/or greater inaccuracy at range.

Edit: Guys, if CCP decides to nerf heavies in some way, I don't see any of us stopping them. I am leaning towards agreement that heavies don't need a nerf but at the day it's not up to us.

Well then why are they even thinking about nerfing heavies? In this case nothing should be changed.

The main nerf I want to HMG is the removal of that slowdown effect. As soon as you even get hit by one of those things, if you aren't nearby a corner where you can get around it in about a second, you're dead as you can't move.

The main nerf I want to HMG is the removal of that slowdown effect. As soon as you even get hit by one of those things, if you aren't nearby a corner where you can get around it in about a second, you're dead as you can't move.

Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf.

The heavy ehp is under debate still

You have to remember ccp balances from top game down. Thier suits are full prototype and skills are maxed out. A 20% ehp change can easily mean 5% to 4% bonus change.

Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf.

Or force heavy slots to fit only heavy weapons.

How does one "Dislike" a post?

anyway... Heavies are fine. Ever since 1.8 launched, I thought, if CCP felt they had to nerf ANYTHING, it should be the HMG, and by SMALL... SMALLLLL increments. The Heavy feels fine right now. The biggest problem is cloaky scouts shotgun backstabbing people directly out of cloak. Cloak is the game breaker here.

I must admit though, when I play my heavy, it seems the HMG destroys people so much faster than any other gun... within about 30m. at Assault range, the HMG is nearly useless, and I become a damage sponge. Then a scout 2 or 3 shots me :P

but I agree, IF they decide to do anything to heavies, it's the HMG. but I'd rather them do nothing to heavies, and nerf the cloak.

Scouts right now don't just counter heavies, they counter EVERYTHING with their unscannable-ness to anything but other scouts, and their instant ambush before even fully decloaked.

and the cloak is nigh impenetrable, and instantly re-initializable. [sic]

Edit: so I'm in the HMG not EHP, or neither "just leave heavies be" camp. but as soon as the cloak gets nerfed, people will scream nerf the heavies. I am calling it now.

Heavies too strong. 5% HMG nerf + 10% plate nerf + 5% heavy base hp nerf.

Or force heavy slots to fit only heavy weapons.