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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:01:00 -
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Assaults are annoyed that logis have more slots. They desire these module slots because they say it negates any base stats advantage they have.... While it wouldn't be fair to have more base stats and the most module slots they seem to be stuck on the concept that more module slots are better.
What if..... Assaults gave their base stats to logis? Give their racial logi the best base stats of all applicable abilities, EG shield/regen and armor,hacking,stamina and stamina regeneration,and possibly the innate regeneration back. And non lopsided slot layouts (Min Assault).
Then give the assaults with their new lower base stats the most module slots,as well as an extra eq slot at Pro level.
This would increase logi surviveability and assault flexibility.
And it's actually a fair trade without 100% gimping either suit.
I game over like a boss.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:05:00 -
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Assaults would whine about not having the best base stats. Assaults whine about everything.
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emtbraincase
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:16:00 -
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Sounds like an excuse to get all the slayerlogi back on the field in the numbers it used to be. No thanks, I like my logi the way it is.
Assaults get better stats, Logi get versatility. Pretty sure the slayerlogi has relatively disappeared, or at least I don't see them on the field much anymore, so maybe they are hiding.
My guess is, they have moved onto the next OP thing, as those who slayerlogi are wont to do.
Sorry, but I think this is a terrihorribad idea. Someone wants to slayerlogi, feel free, but don't nerf my logi suit AGAIN. I actually use it to logi not kill, so anymore changes will pretty much ruin the suit. We are already forced specialized with suits and lost our built-in rep, all to make slayerlogi harder while leaving those who really need the base rep out in the cold.
LEAVE MY LOGI ALONE. If you don't like the assaults, fix them. Just please, for the love of all things holy, quit nerfing the logis only suit choice. Slayers have every other suit they can use, support gets 1. Quit making threads asking to make my suits useless. |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:48:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:Sounds like an excuse to get all the slayerlogi back on the field in the numbers it used to be. No thanks, I like my logi the way it is. Assaults get better stats, Logi get versatility. Pretty sure the slayerlogi has relatively disappeared, or at least I don't see them on the field much anymore, so maybe they are hiding. My guess is, they have moved onto the next OP thing, as those who slayerlogi are wont to do. Sorry, but I think this is a terrihorribad idea. Someone wants to slayerlogi, feel free, but don't nerf my logi suit AGAIN. I actually use it to logi not kill, so anymore changes will pretty much ruin the suit. We are already forced specialized with suits and lost our built-in rep, all to make slayerlogi harder while leaving those who really need the base rep out in the cold. LEAVE MY LOGI ALONE. If you don't like the assaults, fix them. Just please, for the love of all things holy, quit nerfing the logis only suit choice. Slayers have every other suit they can use, support gets 1. Quit making threads asking to make my suits useless. You're an idiot... I use the Min logi,and i'm just trying to avoid a potential nerf hammer in the future. If assaults don't get better that's exactly what's going to happen.
You must've only read the topic before responding.
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emtbraincase
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:56:00 -
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or, they leave logi alone and work to give people reasons to use other suits to slay. What nerf hammer would you be referring to. There are fewer logi on the field than ever before. Which means fewer slayerlogi than ever before. DMG mods are relatively useless, so high slots mean almost nothing more than extenders/rechargers/etc now. Why would someone intentionally gimp their slayability when there are many, much more deadly, suits that kill better than a logi. I see nwhere that a nerf would be necessary or requested ever again. So everything you have said looks like you want your old slayerlogi suit back. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing not. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:57:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Assaults would whine about not having the best base stats. Assaults whine about everything. Just like Scouts, Heavies, and Tankers whined for months and months. Then CCP suddenly makes them the new FotM and lo and behold.
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Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:59:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Assaults are annoyed that logis have more slots. They desire these module slots because they say it negates any base stats advantage they have.... While it wouldn't be fair to have more base stats and the most module slots they seem to be stuck on the concept that more module slots are better.
What if..... Assaults gave their base stats to logis? Give their racial logi the best base stats of all applicable abilities, EG shield/regen and armor,hacking,stamina and stamina regeneration,and possibly the innate regeneration back. And non lopsided slot layouts (Min Assault).
Then give the assaults with their new lower base stats the most module slots,as well as an extra eq slot at Pro level.
This would increase logi surviveability and assault flexibility.
And it's actually a fair trade without 100% gimping either suit. Terrible idea.
This would not fix anything and would in fact make the Assault suit worse than it already is.
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:03:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:or, they leave logi alone and work to give people reasons to use other suits to slay. What nerf hammer would you be referring to. There are fewer logi on the field than ever before. Which means fewer slayerlogi than ever before. DMG mods are relatively useless, so high slots mean almost nothing more than extenders/rechargers/etc now. Why would someone intentionally gimp their slayability when there are many, much more deadly, suits that kill better than a logi. I see nwhere that a nerf would be necessary or requested ever again. So everything you have said looks like you want your old slayerlogi suit back. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing not.
EDIT: If you are saying that assaults need to basically be logi suits without the equipment slots, then that is even more awful that I originally believed. #1 You have 0 idea what you're talking about. #2 The #1 thing all assaults QQ about is logi slots. #3 This gives assaults what they want,but also doesn't screw over logis. #4 Go back and SLOWLY re-read and try to understand the OP before posting again. #5 You're horribly wrong.
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:09:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Meee One wrote:Assaults are annoyed that logis have more slots. They desire these module slots because they say it negates any base stats advantage they have.... While it wouldn't be fair to have more base stats and the most module slots they seem to be stuck on the concept that more module slots are better.
What if..... Assaults gave their base stats to logis? Give their racial logi the best base stats of all applicable abilities, EG shield/regen and armor,hacking,stamina and stamina regeneration,and possibly the innate regeneration back. And non lopsided slot layouts (Min Assault).
Then give the assaults with their new lower base stats the most module slots,as well as an extra eq slot at Pro level.
This would increase logi surviveability and assault flexibility.
And it's actually a fair trade without 100% gimping either suit. Terrible idea. This would not fix anything and would in fact make the Assault suit worse than it already is. Wow,just wow.
It's a 100% fair trade. Slots for stats.
Lemme guess,you want highest base stats AND most slots? T-t-that level of selfishness is simply crazy. Logis have a right to survive just as much as assaults do.
You can have one or the other NOT both.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:16:00 -
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People are still complaining about logis? I thought everyone was complaining about scouts...
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:18:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Assaults would whine about not having the best base stats. Assaults whine about everything. Just like Scouts, Heavies, and Tankers whined for months and months. Then CCP suddenly makes them the new FotM and lo and behold. Tbh, Assaults-type players are a particularly whiney bunch. Every update or build they have something to whine about. For some reason I've been getting the feeling that they think they are entitled to too much.
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:31:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:People are still complaining about logis? I thought everyone was complaining about scouts... Haven't you read? Every post about giving assaults a "defined" role always equals taking a slot from logis and giving nothing in return. Assault QQ is the reason the innate reps were removed,and i fear unless a more reasonable suggestion is put forth CCP will cave in.... Giving us logis worse base stats and the least module slots. Support isn't appreciated enough. If it were,taking slots from the person keeping you alive wouldn't be considered such a good idea...
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Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:33:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Wow,just wow.
It's a 100% fair trade. Slots for stats.
Lemme guess,you want highest base stats AND most slots? T-t-that level of selfishness is simply crazy. Logis have a right to survive just as much as assaults do.
You can have one or the other NOT both. Ok buddy. Let me try to explain it to you.
You're seeking to balance Logis and Assaults but the thing you're failing at is that you're trying to balance them against each other when you should instead be balancing them against Scouts and Heavy suits.
Say you gave the ck.0 a 5/3 layout or whatever you proposed while giving them the current Logi base EHP. With that, the Assault ck.0 would barely have more HP than the Scout while having worse regen, worse regen delays, be slower, have less stamina, have worse scanning skills, have one less equipment slot, and at the same time unable to fit a cloak.
There's nothing about this idea that would buff Assaults. Like I said, it would only make them worse and further outclassed by Scout suits.
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:43:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Meee One wrote:Wow,just wow.
It's a 100% fair trade. Slots for stats.
Lemme guess,you want highest base stats AND most slots? T-t-that level of selfishness is simply crazy. Logis have a right to survive just as much as assaults do.
You can have one or the other NOT both. Ok buddy. Let me try to explain it to you. You're seeking to balance Logis and Assaults but the thing you're failing at is that you're trying to balance them against each other when you should instead be balancing them against Scouts and Heavy suits. Say you gave the ck.0 a 5/3 layout or whatever you proposed while giving them the current Logi base EHP. With that, the Assault ck.0 would barely have more HP than the Scout while having worse regen, worse regen delays, be slower, have less stamina, have worse scanning skills, have one less equipment slot, and at the same time unable to fit a cloak. There's nothing about this idea that would buff Assaults. Like I said, it would only make them worse and further outclassed by Scout suits. You...don't even understand what you're commenting on?(see underlined)
Well now you know how us logis feel,minus a sidearm and plus some very expensive EQ.
Also,this idea is a possible balance to logis and assaults,not logis assaults and scouts.
Every medium frame needs a buff before this can be even remotely considered when scouts are brought into the equation.
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Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.03.29 17:14:00 -
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Meee One wrote:You...don't even understand what you're commenting on?(see underlined) Well now you know how us logis feel,minus a sidearm and plus some very expensive EQ. Also,this idea is a possible balance to logis and assaults,not logis assaults and scouts. Every medium frame needs a buff before this can be even remotely considered when scouts are brought into the equation. Read the rest of the post. I prematurely posted and went back and edited it.
Assaults and Logis need their bonuses completely reworked. CCP needs to either use the same bonus philosophy they use for Scouts and Heavies (broad-spectrum) on Assaults/Logis or vice versa (weapon/equipment/module specific).
It doesn't make sense to have this disparity where Assaults and Logis are forced to use specific weapons/equipment to make use of their bonuses while Scouts and Heavies get to enjoy the benefits of their bonus regardless of how they choose to fit their suit.
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:16:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Meee One wrote:You...don't even understand what you're commenting on?(see underlined) Well now you know how us logis feel,minus a sidearm and plus some very expensive EQ. Also,this idea is a possible balance to logis and assaults,not logis assaults and scouts. Every medium frame needs a buff before this can be even remotely considered when scouts are brought into the equation. Read the rest of the post. I prematurely posted and went back and edited it. Assaults and Logis need their bonuses completely reworked. CCP needs to either use the same bonus philosophy they use for Scouts and Heavies (broad-spectrum) on Assaults/Logis or vice versa (weapon/equipment/module specific). It doesn't make sense to have this disparity where Assaults and Logis are forced to use specific weapons/equipment to make use of their bonuses while Scouts and Heavies get to enjoy the benefits of their bonus regardless of how they choose to fit their suit. Next, Assaults need a bonus to CPU/PG. Hell, I'd be fine with the current slot layout if I wasn't forced to use a god damn CPU Enhancer on every fit in order to get the fit I want. Effectively, my Assault suit becomes a 4 H / 2 L suit because of the wasted low slot always being used on a CPU enhancer. Look familiar? Oh yeah, that's what the Scout suit looks like except it has better stats in every other department except HP while having an extra equipment slot. I agree with buffing assaults i have 0 problems with that,what i DO have a problem with is having it taken from my logi suit and NOTHING given in exchange.
And CCP probably thought that mediums were the most used suit,so they tried in some crazy way to make them more(?) appealing. But it obviously blew up in their faces.
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:34:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Assaults are annoyed that logis have more slots. They desire these module slots because they say it negates any base stats advantage they have.... While it wouldn't be fair to have more base stats and the most module slots they seem to be stuck on the concept that more module slots are better.
What if..... Assaults gave their base stats to logis? Give their racial logi the best base stats of all applicable abilities, EG shield/regen and armor,hacking,stamina and stamina regeneration,and possibly the innate regeneration back. And non lopsided slot layouts (Min Assault).
Then give the assaults with their new lower base stats the most module slots,as well as an extra eq slot at Pro level.
This would increase logi surviveability and assault flexibility.
And it's actually a fair trade without 100% gimping either suit. No i agree with slots but nothing else
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Kindel Monix
SMARTCREW Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:54:00 -
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The "Supportive" purpose of the Assault is to run in and kill targets that are too hard for anyone else to kill, like a heavy can have trouble with a scout that got too close and took advantage of his horrible turn rate, the Assault can stand up to him. A logi has a heavy on his ass and he can't handle his armor type, Assault. A scout put a drop up link down but can't do anything else because he can't stand up to the attention he suddenly has, Assault. The Assault should be the one that can fill the holes in the normal weakness of the other suits. It should be the most balanced of the suits but not take any of there jobs. Switching stats shouldn't be an option here. The mod's should make it so that they can handle a little of any situation and help any thing that the others can't handle. That's why they are the free suits, you can mod them a little to take the little jobs, but the others suits should make it easy to do their job and harder to do the others job. |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:57:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Meee One wrote:Assaults are annoyed that logis have more slots. They desire these module slots because they say it negates any base stats advantage they have.... While it wouldn't be fair to have more base stats and the most module slots they seem to be stuck on the concept that more module slots are better.
What if..... Assaults gave their base stats to logis? Give their racial logi the best base stats of all applicable abilities, EG shield/regen and armor,hacking,stamina and stamina regeneration,and possibly the innate regeneration back. And non lopsided slot layouts (Min Assault).
Then give the assaults with their new lower base stats the most module slots,as well as an extra eq slot at Pro level.
This would increase logi surviveability and assault flexibility.
And it's actually a fair trade without 100% gimping either suit. No i agree with slots but nothing else 1stly You apparently can't read (see underlined) So,according to you... Assaults should keep their high base stats AND take all the slots from logis.... And in exchange logis,who get singled out because their logis,should keep their lower base stats AND get lower slot counts....
Just to let you know...since you're too stupid to put 2+2 together...
Logis get more slots because the have no sidearm (total value=2 slots) Assaults have theirs and are just 1 off from logis,which means assaults actually have 1 more slot than logis.
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Kindel Monix
SMARTCREW Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:35:00 -
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Meee One wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Meee One wrote:Assaults are annoyed that logis have more slots. They desire these module slots because they say it negates any base stats advantage they have.... While it wouldn't be fair to have more base stats and the most module slots they seem to be stuck on the concept that more module slots are better.
What if..... Assaults gave their base stats to logis? Give their racial logi the best base stats of all applicable abilities, EG shield/regen and armor,hacking,stamina and stamina regeneration,and possibly the innate regeneration back. And non lopsided slot layouts (Min Assault).
Then give the assaults with their new lower base stats the most module slots,as well as an extra eq slot at Pro level.
This would increase logi surviveability and assault flexibility.
And it's actually a fair trade without 100% gimping either suit. No i agree with slots but nothing else 1stly You apparently can't read (see underlined) So,according to you... Assaults should keep their high base stats AND take all the slots from logis.... And in exchange logis,who get singled out because their logis,should keep their lower base stats AND get lower slot counts.... Just to let you know...since you're too stupid to put 2+2 together... Logis get more slots because the have no sidearm (total value=2 slots) Assaults have theirs and are just 1 off from logis,which means assaults actually have 1 more slot than logis.
No I mean that switching stats isn't an option. It might be an OPTION if they have only add only 1 mod slot, but not both. If anything I can say that they can make the base stats bigger and avoid a very adaptable suit. Thats all I'm saying. |
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