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Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 27	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote Okay CCP, I've had about all I can stand of the now "dreaded" ultra fast, insanely tanked, invisible murder machines. I don't want to get rid of the cloak because that's really cool, but something must be done about the FOTM exploiters who are constantly running around with one-shot wonders. Scouts are supposed to be spies and yes assassins, but they SHOULD NOT BE CAPABLE of taking down a dual tanked maximum EHP sentinel, of any race, with a mere one or two shots -- THIS IS EXTREMELY F' ING FRUSTRATING. My proposal is to not nerf the shotgun, but to make the scouts much like the commandos. By this I mean make it so that scouts can only carry two sidearm weapons. That means they'll have two sidearm slots instead of 1 light slot and 1 sidearm slot nothing else would be changed. This will even the playing field a little bit and may even get the people who are quitting in droves to come back, wait times for Pubs are starting to get really long. (It took up to 5 minutes to get into a domination last night.) I know this will generate a lot of hate from the FOTMs, but they can go screw themselves. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1231	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:42:00 - [2] - Quote If you're going to nerf scouts to dual sidearms, then give us nova knife sprint charge and we have a deal. I need 3-4 shots with the shotgun to take out most heavies. My nova knives will kill any heavy in less than one second (one charged swipe, one uncharged swipe). I guess you don't have a problem with that?
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 401	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:49:00 - [3] - Quote um ... incredibly dangerous suggestion .... thats not to say us scouts have an unfair advantage with shotguns.. shotguns need to be managed somehow, but not to break the gun. however, i must admit im more scared of shotguns than HMGs. i think one potential fix, could be a ROF reduction for shotguns. increase ttk, and give the victim a chance to engage the scout with the shotty before death. It is definitely a subject for discussion. Just read the damn thread
DJINN HellFire Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 4	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:07:00 - [4] - Quote They already nerfed the RoF of the shotgun. The scout is not the problem it's the hit detection. Right when 1.8 hit the hit detection went out the window
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 520	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:37:00 - [5] - Quote OR you could develop some sort of situation awareness and perception. They're really not that hard to see if you keep your eyes open. We want cake and tea.
Terry Webber Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 424	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: OR you could develop some sort of situation awareness and perception. They're really not that hard to see if you keep your eyes open. I would have agreed with this but even when I try to pay attention to my surroundings, I would still miss the cloaked scout. Maybe it would help if the shimmer of the cloak was a little more noticeable but not enough to be a huge disadvantage.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2014.03.29 01:29:00 - [7] - Quote And CoD kiddies should stay in CoD! either Get out of dust and go back to carebear world(AKA CoD) or quit whining about the scout and play the F*KING GAME!!!! Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!!* AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:35:00 - [8] - Quote The best nerd for scouts is the reduction of the CPU/PG bonus for the cloak. It should not be possible for a scout to have HP like a assault and the cloak!!! As you said " Scouts are supposed to be spies and yes assassins " the main target of a assassin are the Damagedealer ( heavies and snipers )
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 30	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:42:00 - [9] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: If you're going to nerf scouts to dual sidearms, then give us nova knife sprint charge and we have a deal. I need 3-4 shots with the shotgun to take out most heavies. My nova knives will kill any heavy in less than one second (one charged swipe, one uncharged swipe). I guess you don't have a problem with that? I actually don't have problem with nova knives. At least with the it you actually have to work for your points. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 30	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:45:00 - [10] - Quote tander09 wrote: And CoD kiddies should stay in CoD! either Get out of dust and go back to carebear world(AKA CoD) or quit whining about the scout and play the F**KING GAME!!!! Knew someone would come out with that CoD kiddie B.S. You just don't want anyone taking away your God-mode. P.S. Go F@#k yourself. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.

Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 30	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:47:00 - [11] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: OR you could develop some sort of situation awareness and perception. They're really not that hard to see if you keep your eyes open. And you could learn not to be such a C@#T Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 53	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:06:00 - [12] - Quote Scouts aren't OP, the ubertanked 700 armor ones are. Seriously, the fact that it takes me two shots to pop through their armor in CQC with a shotgun is a bit silly. (Insert witty phrase here)
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 453	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:38:00 - [13] - Quote No, because honest snipers use scout suits.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1062	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:57:00 - [14] - Quote Nova knife spring t charge and you have a deal. I'm all kinds of for this. CCP, make it happen, especially the nova knife sprint. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1429	Posted - 2014.03.29 07:39:00 - [15] - Quote use precision enhancers. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 32	Posted - 2014.03.29 17:55:00 - [16] - Quote low genius wrote: use precision enhancers. not everyone has enough slots to fit them and still be competitive.(ex. Heavies) Also, I have been sinking a ton of SP into my passive radar skills lately -- especially the precision skill. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1139	Posted - 2014.03.29 17:57:00 - [17] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: Okay CCP, I've had about all I can stand of the now "dreaded" ultra fast, insanely tanked, invisible murder machines. I don't want to get rid of the cloak because that's really cool, but something must be done about the FOTM exploiters who are constantly running around with one-shot wonders. Scouts are supposed to be spies and yes assassins, but they SHOULD NOT BE CAPABLE of taking down a dual tanked maximum EHP sentinel, of any race, with a mere one or two shots -- THIS IS EXTREMELY F' ING FRUSTRATING. My proposal is to not nerf the shotgun, but to make the scouts much like the commandos. By this I mean make it so that scouts can only carry two sidearm weapons. That means they'll have two sidearm slots instead of 1 light slot and 1 sidearm slot nothing else would be changed. This will even the playing field a little bit and may even get the people who are quitting in droves to come back, wait times for Pubs are starting to get really long. (It took up to 5 minutes to get into a domination last night.) I know this will generate a lot of hate from the FOTMs, but they can go screw themselves. No, sidearms are terrible right now. *Assassination is my thing.*
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 33	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:06:00 - [18] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Ar Lan wrote: Okay CCP, I've had about all I can stand of the now "dreaded" ultra fast, insanely tanked, invisible murder machines. I don't want to get rid of the cloak because that's really cool, but something must be done about the FOTM exploiters who are constantly running around with one-shot wonders. Scouts are supposed to be spies and yes assassins, but they SHOULD NOT BE CAPABLE of taking down a dual tanked maximum EHP sentinel, of any race, with a mere one or two shots -- THIS IS EXTREMELY F' ING FRUSTRATING. My proposal is to not nerf the shotgun, but to make the scouts much like the commandos. By this I mean make it so that scouts can only carry two sidearm weapons. That means they'll have two sidearm slots instead of 1 light slot and 1 sidearm slot nothing else would be changed. This will even the playing field a little bit and may even get the people who are quitting in droves to come back, wait times for Pubs are starting to get really long. (It took up to 5 minutes to get into a domination last night.) I know this will generate a lot of hate from the FOTMs, but they can go screw themselves. No, sidearms are terrible right now. I'll admit the ion pistol is, but I run sidearms only on my Amarr Scout alt (Magsec & Scrambler pistol, or Magsec and Nova Knives) and I do just fine. I'll also agree that running sidearms only isn't for everyone, but there's always the Basic Light Frames which are pretty much the same as the Scout suits minus the cloak field bonus. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2426	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:25:00 - [19] - Quote We've had this same discussion before. Last time it was Logis. The answer was no that time, and it is be no this time too. If ScPs got their RoF back, I wouldn't mind personally. However, shitting all over scout-shotguns (which has been a time honoured tradition since closed beta) is a big no no. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1020	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:51:00 - [20] - Quote Il happy wave bye bye to the cloak if I get my rof back for my shotty. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!

noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1023	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:54:00 - [21] - Quote Also thanks to this event im already runnin side arms. * looks at pro bolt pistol* I do love you honest * remembers old scr pistol rof* I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion League of Infamy 366	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:24:00 - [22] - Quote Terrible fix. A better fix may be to have a slower and noisier decloak .
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:15:00 - [23] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: tander09 wrote: And CoD kiddies should stay in CoD! either Get out of dust and go back to carebear world(AKA CoD) or quit whining about the scout and play the F*KING GAME!!!! Knew someone would come out with that CoD kiddie B.S. You just don't want anyone taking away your God-mode. P.S. Go F@#k yourself. wow, I knew OP would reply to my post. A little advice..Go say that to EVE players that assault frigates should not be spy ships and I guarantee you, they will LAUGH in your face. You can make a heavy a squishy sniper, a assault scout and a stealth logi in this game, limitless possibilities. So go back to carebear world and go away! PS: minmatar and gallente always complains. Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!!* AMARRIAN4LYFE!
TheLastAlive105 G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:39:00 - [24] - Quote Scouts aren't the problem it's the people who tank them that are. Reduce the cpu on each variant of the scout suit to stop with caldari scouts running around with 400 shield and 200 armor with the cloak module. The sidearm scout isn't a bad idea but its not what we need, reduce the cpu.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 844	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:58:00 - [25] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: Okay CCP, I've had about all I can stand of the now "dreaded" ultra fast, insanely tanked, invisible murder machines. I don't want to get rid of the cloak because that's really cool, but something must be done about the FOTM exploiters who are constantly running around with one-shot wonders. Scouts are supposed to be spies and yes assassins, but they SHOULD NOT BE CAPABLE of taking down a dual tanked maximum EHP sentinel, of any race, with a mere one or two shots -- THIS IS EXTREMELY F' ING FRUSTRATING. My proposal is to not nerf the shotgun, but to make the scouts much like the commandos. By this I mean make it so that scouts can only carry two sidearm weapons. That means they'll have two sidearm slots instead of 1 light slot and 1 sidearm slot nothing else would be changed. This will even the playing field a little bit and may even get the people who are quitting in droves to come back, wait times for Pubs are starting to get really long. (It took up to 5 minutes to get into a domination last night.) I know this will generate a lot of hate from the FOTMs, but they can go screw themselves. IDK what you are running for a sentinel but today when I went out in mine it was 3 sometimes 4 shots with a crg-3 to take me down by an invisible scout...I don't even fit complex plates on that sentinel g-1 fit, so either you don't know what a dual tank is or they are head shotting you specifically every time sir. BTW your idea sucks, the scouts are balanced, especially considering all you need to do is find them and look at them in a funny way with your HMG/FG to take them out, even if they are dual tanking. That is if you can spin around fast enough. LogiGod earns his pips
BlueScisor Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:05:00 - [26] - Quote I think make a cloaked can hold only sidearm is fair enough. Scout with SG should not have cloak.
Gawen Eadan Altyr Initiative 42	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:42:00 - [27] - Quote How about having to turn the cloaker off before switching to any other equipment or weapons, the simple delay would be enough that fast fingers could save a scouts life, but end yours, while the 0.75 second delay between being cloaked, and uncloaked while trying to pull out your shotgun, could give you a chance to fight back. I changed my tv setting, I can see scouts, standing cloaked, from 70 in-game meters; head shot a running cloaked scout today at 85 meters with a laser rifle, it is not impossible to kill them cloaked. What the issue is, is these shotgun wielding scouts, who are shooting before the decloak animation even starts. I'm fine getting flanked, its the whole, scout shooting you while the module that doesn't let you do anything besides hack while active, is shooting you while it's still partially active. a Manu Dei e Tet rimon. em e Chorim dechjr, radir, vakhid, ta vanush. Tapinachuem a, ta emarr ezem chova vecahar!
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:59:00 - [28] - Quote BlueScisor wrote: I think make a cloaked can hold only sidearm is fair enough. Scout with SG should not have cloak. I Agree.... Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Psychotic Shooter Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 162	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:53:00 - [29] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: Okay CCP, I've had about all I can stand of the now "dreaded" ultra fast, insanely tanked, invisible murder machines. I don't want to get rid of the cloak because that's really cool, but something must be done about the FOTM exploiters who are constantly running around with one-shot wonders. Scouts are supposed to be spies and yes assassins, but they SHOULD NOT BE CAPABLE of taking down a dual tanked maximum EHP sentinel, of any race, with a mere one or two shots -- THIS IS EXTREMELY F' ING FRUSTRATING. My proposal is to not nerf the shotgun, but to make the scouts much like the commandos. By this I mean make it so that scouts can only carry two sidearm weapons. That means they'll have two sidearm slots instead of 1 light slot and 1 sidearm slot nothing else would be changed. This will even the playing field a little bit and may even get the people who are quitting in droves to come back, wait times for Pubs are starting to get really long. (It took up to 5 minutes to get into a domination last night.) I know this will generate a lot of hate from the FOTMs, but they can go screw themselves. So the guy with 1000+ HP and a weapon that insta kills every one is whining because we have to get CLOSE and put 4 shots for a shotgun to kill you you can see us when we are cloaked it is not hard so man up grow a pare and keep a eye open Closed Beta Vet Tanker for Hire Contact me in game Tanking Video
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 553	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:20:00 - [30] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: Okay CCP, I've had about all I can stand of the now "dreaded" ultra fast, insanely tanked, invisible murder machines. I don't want to get rid of the cloak because that's really cool, but something must be done about the FOTM exploiters who are constantly running around with one-shot wonders. Scouts are supposed to be spies and yes assassins, but they SHOULD NOT BE CAPABLE of taking down a dual tanked maximum EHP sentinel, of any race, with a mere one or two shots -- THIS IS EXTREMELY F' ING FRUSTRATING. My proposal is to not nerf the shotgun, but to make the scouts much like the commandos. By this I mean make it so that scouts can only carry two sidearm weapons. That means they'll have two sidearm slots instead of 1 light slot and 1 sidearm slot nothing else would be changed. This will even the playing field a little bit and may even get the people who are quitting in droves to come back, wait times for Pubs are starting to get really long. (It took up to 5 minutes to get into a domination last night.) I know this will generate a lot of hate from the FOTMs, but they can go screw themselves. Have you seen the state of side arms! Next your gonna say IM SICK OF CLOAKY NOVA KNIVES! News flash scouts are your Bain ! Nova knives 1150 damage Shot gun got a rof nerf and now does shield damage for proficiency 607.2 pro5 pro gun per shot Remotes 1500 Flux nades + magsec, or smg min scout pro 5 hand to hand 3 melee mods 450+ damage, headshot = dead My min scout melee crushes people Sorry bud but like hell is this a fix when your just gonna cry about the next thing Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 162	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:53:00 - [31] - Quote Just add it that they have to decloak before they can fire. Let Scouts tank, it causes diversity, and personally I enjoy the challenge of trying to kill them. To all Scouts, you guys have sick strafes. Kudos! IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1439	Posted - 2014.03.30 12:12:00 - [32] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: low genius wrote: use precision enhancers. not everyone has enough slots to fit them and still be competitive.(ex. Heavies) Also, I have been sinking a ton of SP into my passive radar skills lately -- especially the precision skill. heavies should have very little problem with cloaked scouts. if you're getting caught by scouts as a heavy, you need to play with your back against the wall. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 358	Posted - 2014.03.30 12:49:00 - [33] - Quote DJINN HellFire wrote: They already nerfed the RoF of the shotgun. The scout is not the problem it's the hit detection. Right when 1.8 hit the hit detection went out the window While I have noticed a lot of hits not registering its not as bad as it was.... Personally shotgun scouting is amazing fun Dragonfly scout with a cloak field...some basic mods and both my shotgun and SMG are bpos....I'm loving this because it is sooooo cheap..... And if you're getting one shotted in your "dual tank sentinel" one of a couple things happened 1 the scout was using a proto breach shotgun 2 the scout wasn't alone (you got hit by multiple people at the same time) 3 they landed good headshots 4 you were already damaged and didn't realize it....a wounded heavy is a great target for cloaked scouts Real heavies use lasers
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2538	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:51:00 - [34] - Quote The mechanic isn't OP, the bugs are. The hit detection is the worst it's been in months, and the decloaking is bugged so that you stay cloaked to long. Fix the bugs. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
BlueScisor Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:44:00 - [35] - Quote scout + cloak or scout + shotgun aren't OP, but shotgun + cloak = OP Don't forget, 2 - 4 shots to kill heavy, but only 1 - 2 shots kill the rest. If you run medium and cloak shotgun is behind you, most time you will die. They need to fix this by having cloak with sidearm only.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 453	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:26:00 - [36] - Quote tander09 wrote: Ar Lan wrote: tander09 wrote: And CoD kiddies should stay in CoD! either Get out of dust and go back to carebear world(AKA CoD) or quit whining about the scout and play the F**KING GAME!!!! Knew someone would come out with that CoD kiddie B.S. You just don't want anyone taking away your God-mode. P.S. Go F@#k yourself. wow, I knew OP would reply to my post. A little advice..Go say that to EVE players that assault frigates should not be spy ships and I guarantee you, they will LAUGH in your face. You can make a heavy a squishy sniper, a assault scout and a stealth logi in this game, limitless possibilities. So go back to carebear world and go away! PS: minmatar and gallente always complains. Nerd.
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs Canis Eliminatus Operatives 418	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:00:00 - [37] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: Okay CCP, I've had about all I can stand of the now "dreaded" ultra fast, insanely tanked, invisible murder machines. 1. Ultra-fast: scouts can't be insanely fast and ultra tanked, FYI mid frames with 3 or more lows can reach scout speeds but to get high HP you have to sacrifice your speed advantage as a scout. 2.insanely tanked: I agree hoping for a fix like this 3.invisible murder machines: I was this before cloaks, and I don't use cloaks why? they're on'y good while standing still they don't help cross the street with snipers, they don't make it where a guy doing 360 spins overlook you they just make noobs feel more confident. really CCP, I'm seeing cloaked scouts everywhere... they're not invis.


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