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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1147	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:03:00 - [1] - Quote Would any of you ladies and gentlemen care if the cloaking device went away? I haven't played my Gal scout much since 1.8 landed though I did fully skill into the cloak. I see on the forums that cloaked/brick tanked mini assaults are pissing people off. People are QQing about the cloak and other people are defending the device as if it was their dear sweet mother's honor. Personally what little I have used it I find the cloak kind of fun but absolutely unnecessary to effectively play a scout. I am not calling for it to be removed or nerfed, I can't say I really have an opinion on it yet, except in general I prefer to see counters to things added to the game as opposed to content taken out of the game or nerfed. I can't say I'm an old school scout having only gotten into it a couple months before the update, but I have to admit I liked the scout suit being a little more rare. So what are you real scout vets opinion on cloaks? Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:05:00 - [2] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Would any of you ladies and gentlemen care if the cloaking device went away? I haven't played my Gal scout much since 1.8 landed though I did fully skill into the cloak. I see on the forums that cloaked/brick tanked mini assaults are pissing people off. People are QQing about the cloak and other people are defending the device as if it was their dear sweet mother's honor. Personally what little I have used it I find the cloak kind of fun but absolutely unnecessary to effectively play a scout. I am not calling for it to be removed or nerfed, I can't say I really have an opinion on it yet, except in general I prefer to see counters to things added to the game as opposed to content taken out of the game or nerfed. I can't say I'm an old school scout having only gotten into it a couple months before the update, but I have to admit I liked the scout suit being a little more rare. So what are you real scout vets opinion on cloaks? Actually, I could care less about cloak. I'm used to sitting in the mountains anyway, sniping people from miles away. Good stuff, y'know. Good **** it is when you spawnrape people and they've no idea where the hell your shooting from. I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5250	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:08:00 - [3] - Quote People aren't using Scouts for the cloak, anyway, Cloaks are easy to spot, I love killing people who run around with it thinking they're completely invisible. fuckign casuls
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 254	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:10:00 - [4] - Quote There are so many bugs right now, that judging anything is pointless. When they fix the sprint glitch i'll be happy. Until then I don't give a rats ass if the cloak stays or goes. I personally like it, but it's not really necessary. Fix the game first, then everyone can QQ to their hearts content.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2577	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:12:00 - [5] - Quote I don't really use the cloak, though I do have it on a couple of my fits - I prefer REs and a nanohive. It's not essential to my style of play but I think it brings some good gameplay to this game, whether people like it or not. Does it need some tweaks? Perhaps, but then what in this game doesn't? Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5456	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:12:00 - [6] - Quote I'd not be happy, been waiting for long times, but I could live without it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1148	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:14:00 - [7] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: People aren't using Scouts for the cloak, anyway, Cloaks are easy to spot, I love killing people who run around with it thinking they're completely invisible. If you have good eyesight maybe, some of us are old But if not for the cloak that everyone is QQing about then why, yes you can brick out the Gal scout but it still only gets the EHP of an assault and in the case of my bricked out Gk. 0 (that I've yet to use mind you) is slower than my Minnie assault, but definitely harder to scan (if anyone was bothering with scanners anymore) Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 906	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:14:00 - [8] - Quote I would care because people fought tooth and nail to get it. Taking it away just because some people are whining like babies sets a bad precedent that won't just end with Cloaking.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 180	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:16:00 - [9] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Would any of you ladies and gentlemen care if the cloaking device went away? I haven't played my Gal scout much since 1.8 landed though I did fully skill into the cloak. I see on the forums that cloaked/brick tanked mini assaults are pissing people off. People are QQing about the cloak and other people are defending the device as if it was their dear sweet mother's honor. Personally what little I have used it I find the cloak kind of fun but absolutely unnecessary to effectively play a scout. I am not calling for it to be removed or nerfed, I can't say I really have an opinion on it yet, except in general I prefer to see counters to things added to the game as opposed to content taken out of the game or nerfed. I can't say I'm an old school scout having only gotten into it a couple months before the update, but I have to admit I liked the scout suit being a little more rare. So what are you real scout vets opinion on cloaks? I'll agree with you, however the cloaks are fulfilling their niche properly. The problem is players are abusing it by brick-tanking their suits and that should be restricted. Let's say if you have over a certain amount of eHP than you cannot equip the cloak on a scout suit would be a legitimate way of limiting brick tanking scouts w/ cloaks. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 873	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:28:00 - [10] - Quote I wouldn't want the cloak to go as I've been amped about it ever since the word first popped up in the forums. Getting rid of the cloak will have 2 possible results. The extra slot will be used for REs resulting in all the babies switching there sights from cloaks to REs. ALL of the noob scouts will use the extra CPU/PG for brick tankings Lets not forget that scouts have a bonus to cloaks so that will have to change which will possibly make scouts even harder to kill. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1148	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:29:00 - [11] - Quote BARDAS wrote: I would care because people fought tooth and nail to get it. Taking it away just because some people are whining like babies sets a bad precedent that won't just end with Cloaking. Oh I agree with that, which is why I said I would like to see a hard counter rather than removing it or a nerf. Something like an EMP mine or placeable anti cloaking fields. Maybe scanners need to be the counter, but I've read here that they are one of the broken things atm Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 929	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:31:00 - [12] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: People aren't using Scouts for the cloak, anyway, Cloaks are easy to spot, I love killing people who run around with it thinking they're completely invisible. I specced Gal scout for three reasons: 2 equipment slots(uplinks and rep tool/scanner/cloak Low scan profile, to hide if I need to bail out of a tank. Quafe suit for warbarge stunting. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 289	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:38:00 - [13] - Quote It is sooo fun. I had been running around a corner and I saw a ghost. I freaked out and spewed rounds. I backed up firing here and there, waited a second then dipped back from where I came from. It was intense and made me smile. I really like the cloak, it gives 300 hp scouts more of a chance. (Not speaking about proto scouts obviously). I haven't played against those who are super great with it yet. But I have experienced a cloaked enemy running around our spawn zone mercing reinforcements. I played a game of cat and mouse with him until I cleared him out. I like the way it is. I used it on my logi and had a great time sneaking around. I have always had good in game awareness so now I ninja like a beast! However, the proto cloak does seem like you could be cloaked forever. As of now, I think cloaking should work as it is, in multiple spurts or prolonged burst. Maybe the recloak threshold could be raised from 50 percent to stop certain abusive tactics, but I like the freedom of how often and quickly it can be activated. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
jerrmy12 kahoalii 752	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:38:00 - [14] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Would any of you ladies and gentlemen care if the cloaking device went away? I haven't played my Gal scout much since 1.8 landed though I did fully skill into the cloak. I see on the forums that cloaked/brick tanked mini assaults are pissing people off. People are QQing about the cloak and other people are defending the device as if it was their dear sweet mother's honor. Personally what little I have used it I find the cloak kind of fun but absolutely unnecessary to effectively play a scout. I am not calling for it to be removed or nerfed, I can't say I really have an opinion on it yet, except in general I prefer to see counters to things added to the game as opposed to content taken out of the game or nerfed. I can't say I'm an old school scout having only gotten into it a couple months before the update, but I have to admit I liked the scout suit being a little more rare. So what are you real scout vets opinion on cloaks? A little bit I use the cloak to enhance my flanking and stealth abilities. Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2041	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:39:00 - [15] - Quote I wouldn't really care since I've done well without it, but neither would I like to see it go.
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 908	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: BARDAS wrote: I would care because people fought tooth and nail to get it. Taking it away just because some people are whining like babies sets a bad precedent that won't just end with Cloaking. Oh I agree with that, which is why I said I would like to see a hard counter rather than removing it or a nerf. Something like an EMP mine or placeable anti cloaking fields. Maybe scanners need to be the counter, but I've read here that they are one of the broken things atm There already is a hard counter. The shimmer while moving, you can't fire while cloaked, ect. People just need to pay attention more and turn back on their brains while playing instead of just mindlessly relying on Scanners and the Mini-map. I can't count the number of people I have ruthlessly slaughtered who never bothered to simply turn around.
Aszazel Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 144	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote Yes, I'd not use one myself, but it's sort of needed now to counter other cloaks. If I am running around without one the entire time I find that I am a lot easier to pick off by cloaked socuts. But I miss the days of being a real scout, where as you are running towards the back of someone you are just praying the whole time he isn't going to turn around.
Jaster J F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 3	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:53:00 - [18] - Quote I thought id like it...but i feel as if id be happier without it now. I only really use it on a lightly tanked suit for open maps. Otherwise i find it far more fun to rely on electronic stealth and avoiding line of sight. As someone else said above, I kind of miss when scouts were a little more rare to see in a match.
Vyuru Algintal Core Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:53:00 - [19] - Quote So here is a question for you then. Since cloaking is largely a scout only thing, what are you going to give us to make us "unique"? Heavy's get heavy weaponry and damage resists Commando's get damage boosts and 2x light weapons Logi's get multiple equipment slots and boosts to being a support role Assaults get boosts to weaponry fitting and shield regen And scouts get...? If scouts got immunity to red lines, that might be something! :D I will say that the scanner tweak helped immensely, now we aren't light up like a Christmas tree every few seconds. But this is still something we finally got to make us unique again. I am very much against taking the cloak out, there are too many good new ways to play the game right now with it.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 148	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:54:00 - [20] - Quote I wouldn't mind getting it taken away, i would adapt.

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 1026	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:54:00 - [21] - Quote No cloak, only true scouts remain. I like sniping and flanking and I was doing fine without it, I'll live. I am the shadow, and the ghost in your eyes, I am the scout, that hunts in the night -Shadow Scout Sits on Perch
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3885	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:56:00 - [22] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Would any of you ladies and gentlemen care if the cloaking device went away? I haven't played my Gal scout much since 1.8 landed though I did fully skill into the cloak. I see on the forums that cloaked/brick tanked mini assaults are pissing people off. People are QQing about the cloak and other people are defending the device as if it was their dear sweet mother's honor. Personally what little I have used it I find the cloak kind of fun but absolutely unnecessary to effectively play a scout. I am not calling for it to be removed or nerfed, I can't say I really have an opinion on it yet, except in general I prefer to see counters to things added to the game as opposed to content taken out of the game or nerfed. I can't say I'm an old school scout having only gotten into it a couple months before the update, but I have to admit I liked the scout suit being a little more rare. So what are you real scout vets opinion on cloaks? I like my cloak. It's nice, and works well. I don't need it to play scout well though, so I would just miss my happy fun time cloak a lot. Apart from that, not much. I do think it needs some tweaks though. Mainly to the being shot part. It should disrupt the cloak. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 908	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:57:00 - [23] - Quote Vyuru wrote: So here is a question for you then. Since cloaking is largely a scout only thing, what are you going to give us to make us "unique"? Heavy's get heavy weaponry and damage resists Commando's get damage boosts and 2x light weapons Logi's get multiple equipment slots and boosts to being a support role Assaults get boosts to weaponry fitting and shield regen And scouts get...? If scouts got immunity to red lines, that might be something! :D I will say that the scanner tweak helped immensely, now we aren't light up like a Christmas tree every few seconds. But this is still something we finally got to make us unique again. I am very much against taking the cloak out, there are too many good new ways to play the game right now with it. I like this suggestion!
Aszazel Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 144	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:07:00 - [24] - Quote Boost our speed so I don't have to run 3 kin kats and I'd be happy. Or give us a lunge strike with da DA DUMMMM racial knives. Cloak was overkill IMO. This is all pointless; itGÇÖs here to stay CCP didn't do all this coding and build up to take it away. They have never taken something away, even the BPO's. I just hope it soon loses flavor and the scout field will return to the previous levels. ItGÇÖs fun to kill new scouts cause they didn't learn their lessons hard like me, but it's getting annoying that it's either heavies or scouts, or logis with shotguns and cloaks.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1671	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:12:00 - [25] - Quote Well, I've already taken out cloaked, shimmering running scouts with a hmg. They are only a problem for people when the scout is coming for YOU. "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 345	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:33:00 - [26] - Quote the thing is i haven't seen a redlined game in almost a whole week.. maybe it's just my luck there but something with cloak might be working right. also tankers aren't as brave as they were before. RE lurks everywhere. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 345	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:35:00 - [27] - Quote Aszazel wrote: Boost our speed so I don't have to run 3 kin kats and I'd be happy. Or give us a lunge strike with da DA DUMMMM racial knives. Cloak was overkill IMO. This is all pointless; itGÇÖs here to stay CCP didn't do all this coding and build up to take it away. They have never taken something away, even the BPO's. I just hope it soon loses flavor and the scout field will return to the previous levels. ItGÇÖs fun to kill new scouts cause they didn't learn their lessons hard like me, but it's getting annoying that it's either heavies or scouts, or logis with shotguns and cloaks. well rumor is they're gonna buff assault. hopefully that should even things out some u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 764	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:53:00 - [28] - Quote Cloak is awesome, it has plenty of drawbacks and takes quite a bit to fit on a scout even at level 5. There are obvious tweaks, such as removing the logi bonues. But honestly, most true scouts don't need the cloak to do their thing. It has definitely improved our quality of life on the battlefield. I can actually run around at 200hp and not die instantly. Nothing should "disrupt" the cloak. If you are getting shot at, someone already sees you, if you get fluxed someone already sees you. None of that should happen by "luck" spraying bullets everywhere when you see a scout. It would ruin the effectiveness of the cloak entirely if those sort of things get integrated. If you want to counter scouts, you either need a gal logi scanning, or you need a cal scout passive scanning. There are plenty of counters. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 945	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:59:00 - [29] - Quote cloak is fun times, and not unbalanced. it's ridiculously easy to kill a cloaker, or die while using one. The problem is what it always was: TTK is wonky, and CCP doesn't have good definitions for roles. Assaults and Scouts are too similar. I'd actually like it if scouts went back to Type II closed beta suits. 2 equip, No sidearm. We have the 2 equip now, why do we still have sidearm? Maybe let the amarr keep it's sidearm. But that would help the Assault stand out more from the crowd. Logi = 3 equip slots, bonus to equip use Scout = 2 equip slots, very low signal, very high detection Assault = 1 equip slot, sidearm included Then I doubt anyone would care about "brick scouts" since they gave up raw power in exchange for speed, intel, and utility. Hail Bacon
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 267	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:23:00 - [30] - Quote At this point I am willing to let the cloak die in order to let the other buffs the scout has received, no matter how meager, persist. As feared, try-hards are abusing our beloved suit, corrupting the way of the ninja. This will not stand. The silly thing is the cloak is designed for UNTANKED scouts. Its supposed to be a mechanism of letting a light and fast suit move around the battle field without getting blapped at every turn. The cloak was supposed to be used in lieu of armor/shield stacking --- it was supposed to act as our defense when we had none. Now it is being abused and this makes me so sad because the cloak really is balanced. It gives you a chance for a high alpha, but at the same time is visible enough that it can be seen with the naked eye out more than 100 m away. It's being abused by what I will now refer to as "Triple-Tanked" Scouts. Armor. Shields. Cloak. It's simply too much.

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1151	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:28:00 - [31] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: At this point I am willing to let the cloak die in order to let the other buffs the scout has received, no matter how meager, persist. As feared, try-hards are abusing our beloved suit, corrupting the way of the ninja. This will not stand. The silly thing is the cloak is designed for UNTANKED scouts. Its supposed to be a mechanism of letting a light and fast suit move around the battle field without getting blapped at every turn. The cloak was supposed to be used in lieu of armor/shield stacking --- it was supposed to act as our defense when we had none. Now it is being abused and this makes me so sad because the cloak really is balanced. It gives you a chance for a high alpha, but at the same time is visible enough that it can be seen with the naked eye out more than 100 m away. It's being abused by what I will now refer to as "Triple-Tanked" Scouts. Armor. Shields. Cloak. It's simply too much. This is where I'm coming from too. I like our other recent buffs so much more than the cloak and I worry that the brick tanked scouts + cloak is going to get us nerfed, just like how slayer logis got true logis nerfed. I know the cloak isn't going away, but all these post 1.8 scouts and folks like my friends who are doing scout tourism with their Dragonfly suits and 1 level in cloaking are going to screw us over I think. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3684	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:44:00 - [32] - Quote My Opinion Before 1.8 scouts relied on skill to avoid detection. The cloak lessens that skill. I don't mind a cloak existing in Dust but if it is going to lessen the skill required to sneak around then it needs to harbor the drawbacks it needs. I have caught numerous scouts using the cloak haphazardly but die because within moments a shotgun is out before I can see that they are decloaking. I've killed quite a few of them but every other cloaked scout gets me not because they used the cloak right but rather because even when I have an advantage they have an advantage over me. I go all out to make fits that are cloak proof. I have dual complex precision enhancers and catch a large majority of them on passive scan but I am at a serious disadvantage because the most popular thing to do is put as much HP on and cloak. While I normally say "don't tell people how to run their suit" I don't think that the cloak should be that cheap to fit. So even as I try hard to avoid detection without a cloak, I am not rewarded for doing so because for the swapping out of one piece of EQ I could have a superb advantage and sacrifice little. So to see the cloak go away would just make the scout a little more bland. The cloak needs to stay but needs to be something that just isn't thrown on willy nilly it needs to come with consequences.
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 100	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:48:00 - [33] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Would any of you ladies and gentlemen care if the cloaking device went away? I haven't played my Gal scout much since 1.8 landed though I did fully skill into the cloak. I see on the forums that cloaked/brick tanked mini assaults are pissing people off. People are QQing about the cloak and other people are defending the device as if it was their dear sweet mother's honor. Personally what little I have used it I find the cloak kind of fun but absolutely unnecessary to effectively play a scout. I am not calling for it to be removed or nerfed, I can't say I really have an opinion on it yet, except in general I prefer to see counters to things added to the game as opposed to content taken out of the game or nerfed. I can't say I'm an old school scout having only gotten into it a couple months before the update, but I have to admit I liked the scout suit being a little more rare. So what are you real scout vets opinion on cloaks? Let me keep my extra equipment slot and cal scout skill bonus and the cloak can burn in hell for all I care, it's not even that useful except for the ocasional lol
SUNNY THE NINJA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 107	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:51:00 - [34] - Quote They can be easily counterd by scanners, or you could just look, you know, with eyes. *Excuse the spelling mistakes please*
SUNNY THE NINJA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 107	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:54:00 - [35] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: People aren't using Scouts for the cloak, anyway, Cloaks are easy to spot, I love killing people who run around with it thinking they're completely invisible. AKA me :( I try to stand perfectly dead still and you people still manage to see me for some reason. *Excuse the spelling mistakes please*
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2540	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:32:00 - [36] - Quote Nope wouldn't care one bit Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 828	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:53:00 - [37] - Quote I actually had more fun in other builds with my minja, once I got the hang of what was going on. Now that there are plenty of scout hunters out there, and I am not as invisible tacnet wise as I was previously, I often feel I need the cloak as an active dampener. I ran one match without it, and I may make other fits that don't have it, but for the time being I would at the very least feel vulnerable without it. Even if it is more of a mentality than actuality. Looking for the scout hangout?
jerrmy12 kahoalii 760	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:56:00 - [38] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: People aren't using Scouts for the cloak, anyway, Cloaks are easy to spot, I love killing people who run around with it thinking they're completely invisible. AKA me :( I try to stand perfectly dead still and you people still manage to see me for some reason. Because the broken mechanic that is red cross hair and aim assist when cloaked. Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3893	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:02:00 - [39] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: cloak is fun times, and not unbalanced. it's ridiculously easy to kill a cloaker, or die while using one. The problem is what it always was: TTK is wonky, and CCP doesn't have good definitions for roles. Assaults and Scouts are too similar. I'd actually like it if scouts went back to Type II closed beta suits. 2 equip, No sidearm. We have the 2 equip now, why do we still have sidearm? Maybe let the amarr keep it's sidearm. But that would help the Assault stand out more from the crowd. Logi = 3 equip slots, bonus to equip use Scout = 2 equip slots, very low signal, very high detection Assault = 1 equip slot, sidearm included Then I doubt anyone would care about "brick scouts" since they gave up raw power in exchange for speed, intel, and utility. I support a no sidearm scout, but only if Knives became equipment. Along with the PLC and Swarm I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V


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