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Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1286	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 - [1] - Quote Give up a low or high slot OR your sidearm for a buff to drop uplink and scanner usage? In another thread, someone was stating that the issue with brick tanking scouts is that they have such an undefined role aside from slaying as they have no inherent bonuses other than to track down enemy targets. So, if there was another variation on the light frame that took away a H/L slot or a sidearm for a bonus to uplinks and scanners (possibly about half of what the gal and amarr logis get), would you use it? I feel that the scout's speed lends itself to the use of these two pieces of equipment. It allows them to flank the enemy with uplinks and track the enemy down with the scanner. Another piece of equipment that could be introduced for scouts would be a Tag/Painter for enemies. It allows a scout to mark an enemy player for a set period of time so that they would be visible to the scout's squad. Number of active tags and length of time tagged would be dependent upon the meta of the equipment. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1286	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:19:00 - [2] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Nope, those are logi gear Logi is a variation on a medium suit. This would be a variation on a light suit. Whats your point? Canari Elphus for CPM1
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1286	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:23:00 - [3] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: No, no I would not. Uplinks are Amarr tech, wouldn't make sense for the other races to get bonuses, and as a minja it would disgust me. Target painter is largely useless with a passive scanner, would be used by commandos and midframes more than us, same for the active scanner. And bricktanking tryhard scouts are bricktanking tryhard scouts because they want to be bricktanking tryhard scouts, this won't change that. So you are saying that scouts should not help the team other than as slayers? The reason that CCP has had so many issues with balancing suits is that there is not enough difference in the rolls of each frame/class. How exactly are you going to balance them when there is very little diversity in their usage? Canari Elphus for CPM1
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1286	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:26:00 - [4] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: I feel like the general consensus will be no. Most Scouts fought for that slot increase they got, and fought against losing their sidearm in exchange for the equipment slot. To make the Uplink one worthwhile, it would really require a decent bonus. Make it only part of the Amarr Logi bonus, spawn speed. Variants of suits..you're living in the future my friend. We're not there yet. Games need to constantly evolve to not get boring and dated. Im not asking for this to be something implemented now but rather as an addition in a future release. Clarification - this is not about changing the current scout. It is about adding an optional variation of the light suit that has bonuses to certain equipment. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1286	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:40:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No, no I would not. Uplinks are Amarr tech, wouldn't make sense for the other races to get bonuses, and as a minja it would disgust me. Target painter is largely useless with a passive scanner, would be used by commandos and midframes more than us, same for the active scanner. And bricktanking tryhard scouts are bricktanking tryhard scouts because they want to be bricktanking tryhard scouts, this won't change that. So you are saying that scouts should not help the team other than as slayers? The reason that CCP has had so many issues with balancing suits is that there is not enough difference in the rolls of each frame/class. How exactly are you going to balance them when there is very little diversity in their usage? No one wants the scout to be a slayer, however the points that YOU wish to be implemented are of the logistics class, not the scout. As state above, this is a variation to the light frame, not a change to the current scouts. Its basically the 'logi' light frame. Ideally, it would have different equipment (and bonuses) than the medium frame logi supports. I just know that developing new equipment takes a long time so I would rather start with some bonuses to current and work from there. Possible new equipment - Motion Detectors- deployable equipment that consistantly monitors a certain radius from where deployed. They are sticky like RE's but can only scan a limited distance. Ideally deployed at doorways or choke points. - Statis Webs - used against vehicles. A scout can get in close on an enemy tank and significantly reduce its speed to allow for friendly tank to take advantage of situation - Claymores - dont really need an explanation here Canari Elphus for CPM1
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1286	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:42:00 - [6] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Scouts should be stealth skirmishers, look at the rogue class in dungeons and dragons Again... not a change to 'scouts', its an alternative variation to the 'light frame' reading is fundamental Canari Elphus for CPM1
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1287	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:06:00 - [7] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Not a chance in hell - you want to make a light logi, create a new suit role, don't bastardize scouts. Thats exactly what Im trying to do. You would have known that if you had bothered to actually read the thread. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1288	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:30:00 - [8] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Django Quik wrote: Not a chance in hell - you want to make a light logi, create a new suit role, don't bastardize scouts. Thats exactly what Im trying to do. You would have known that if you had bothered to actually read the thread. You know what may help with that? Changing the title of the thread. I had always had a 'new variation on light suit' as part of the OP and have now tried to make it even clearer for the casual reader. I dont think changing the title of the thread is needed as it pertains to those who are currently spec'd into scouts/light frames. Canari Elphus for CPM1

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