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Krad Gunnerson The Jita Martyr's Brigade 18	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:54:00 - [1] - Quote When you have a cloaking devices it give -25% to all damage resistances. So if your suit has a cloaking device all weapons deal 125% damage to you. When the cloak is active it is -50% damage resistance meaning all weapons do 150% damage to you. Destroying the purpose of cloaking will just make the cloak worthless. This simple solution gives a drawback to using a cloaking device without destroying it like a community demanded nerf to cloaking will drive CCP to do. BTW- if Heavys AND Cloaks get nerfed before HAVs... I am murdering cute kittens...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1268	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 - [2] - Quote Krad Gunnerson wrote: When you have a cloaking devices it give -25% to all damage resistances. So if your suit has a cloaking device all weapons deal 125% damage to you. When the cloak is active it is -50% damage resistance meaning all weapons do 150% damage to you. Destroying the purpose of cloaking will just make the cloak worthless. This simple solution gives a drawback to using a cloaking device without destroying it like a community demanded nerf to cloaking will drive CCP to do. BTW- if Heavys AND Cloaks get nerfed before HAVs... I am murdering cute kittens... Just shut up please... Either get a proper Cloak suit or stay happy with whatever you specced into
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 682	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:10:00 - [3] - Quote So, we want to encourage brick tanking more? xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1967	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:11:00 - [4] - Quote The only solution to brick tanked scout QQ is to buff assaults. Kthxbye. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1536	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:18:00 - [5] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: So, we want to encourage brick tanking more? Nerfing a suit because brick tanking in DUST is a thing.... is BEYOND stupid... Working on shield and Armor parity.... Like everyone has asked for since October when they buffed the armor modules... Then nerfed the shield in November Even after EVERYONE asked CCP to wait.... You can point fingers to other players for not being "Honorable" but that mere notion in a CCP game is hilarious... The blame for brick tanking doesn't lie on any scout or any player... The Blame Lies with the lack of parity between shield and armor... That EVERYONE has complained about. To the point where they massively over buffed armor... Not like it was a bad thing it was right after they introduced Aim Assist... and TTK dropped by 300% when everyone could suddenly aim and hit bullets like The best in the game.....
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5428	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:19:00 - [6] - Quote Facepalm The joys of being minmatar. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 94	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:19:00 - [7] - Quote Using a non bricked (no damage, shield or armour modules) scout with no cloak my Alt went 11/2 earlier today. Mainly hunting other scouts. Cloak isn't invisible its a purple sparkly cloud. And if you have a good enough precision they have a chevron just above their head. There are other ways to get them too.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1215	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:23:00 - [8] - Quote All they really need to do to prevent plate stacking is provide an additional movement penalty for scout suits on regular plates (not ferroscales or reactives). So if you want to stack multiple complex plates, your movement speed is dramatically reduced, compared to the same number of plates on an assault, such that you are as slow or slower than an assault when using stacked plates.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3510	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:23:00 - [9] - Quote I've put my idea out there to fix brick tanking light suits: change HP buffer modules to percentage based instead of fixed values and make HP recover modules easier to fit than HP buffer. To discourage brick tanking scouts specifically I also think we should change the drawback for shield extenders to a scan profile penalty and increase the speed hit back to higher values for armor plates. Bitter Vet // QA: Learn It, Love It, Do It // @ReesNoturana
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 683	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:25:00 - [10] - Quote Bethhy wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: So, we want to encourage brick tanking more? Nerfing a suit because brick tanking in DUST is a thing.... is BEYOND stupid... Working on shield and Armor parity.... Like everyone has asked for since October when they buffed the armor modules... Then nerfed the shield in November Even after EVERYONE asked CCP to wait.... You can point fingers to other players for not being "Honorable" but that mere notion in a CCP game is hilarious... The blame for brick tanking doesn't lie on any scout or any player... The Blame Lies with the lack of parity between shield and armor... That EVERYONE has complained about. To the point where they massively over buffed armor... Not like it was a bad thing it was right after they introduced Aim Assist... and TTK dropped by 300% when everyone could suddenly aim and hit bullets like The best in the game..... Just so I know, are you yelling at me, or just quoting me? I don't brick tank (87 armor ftw) and never have (GalLogi with 487 armor, I rep tanked). The Shield/Armor Parity would be great, especially now that I've switched teams, but, i ran armor when it was God-awful, so, I enjoy being back to the 'inferior' HP system (though my 67/s recharge is beautiful). xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!

Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1154	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:26:00 - [11] - Quote Tanks (hardeners) have already been nerfed, btw. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Krad Gunnerson The Jita Martyr's Brigade 19	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:45:00 - [12] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Krad Gunnerson wrote: When you have a cloaking devices it give -25% to all damage resistances. So if your suit has a cloaking device all weapons deal 125% damage to you. When the cloak is active it is -50% damage resistance meaning all weapons do 150% damage to you. Destroying the purpose of cloaking will just make the cloak worthless. This simple solution gives a drawback to using a cloaking device without destroying it like a community demanded nerf to cloaking will drive CCP to do. BTW- if Heavys AND Cloaks get nerfed before HAVs... I am murdering cute kittens... Just shut up please... Either get a proper Cloak suit or stay happy with whatever you specced into I got a nice cloak suit, I just don't want to see cloak nerfed because when CCP nerfs something, they nerf it to uselessness. Making the cloaking device force us into a pure stealth role is a lot better than turning the cloaking device into a worthless POS.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1272	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:48:00 - [13] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: All they really need to do to prevent plate stacking is provide an additional movement penalty for scout suits on regular plates (not ferroscales or reactives). So if you want to stack multiple complex plates, your movement speed is dramatically reduced, compared to the same number of plates on an assault, such that you are as slow or slower than an assault when using stacked plates. Yup would make brick tanking useless
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1974	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:54:00 - [14] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: All they really need to do to prevent plate stacking is provide an additional movement penalty for scout suits on regular plates (not ferroscales or reactives). So if you want to stack multiple complex plates, your movement speed is dramatically reduced, compared to the same number of plates on an assault, such that you are as slow or slower than an assault when using stacked plates. Scouts already have the highest absolute penalty from plates. 5% of 5.45 is greater than 5% of 5.0. Its not a good idea. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1973	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:00:00 - [15] - Quote Lower fitting costs on kin cats and cardiac regs, at the moment allot of players will be looking at it and seeing 12% faster movement speed for 15pg or +135 armour for 3pg less which do you think most will choose? Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Yan Darn Science For Death 424	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:06:00 - [16] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: The only solution to brick tanked scout QQ is to buff assaults. Kthxbye. ^^ OP - I think if it were implemented - your idea would hurt brick tankers the least... The Ghost of Bravo
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1252	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:17:00 - [17] - Quote Just no No
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 60	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:20:00 - [18] - Quote Krad Gunnerson wrote: BTW- if Heavys AND Cloaks get nerfed before HAVs... I am murdering cute kittens... Yeah.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 180	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:31:00 - [19] - Quote Krad Gunnerson wrote: When you have a cloaking devices it give -25% to all damage resistances. So if your suit has a cloaking device all weapons deal 125% damage to you. When the cloak is active it is -50% damage resistance meaning all weapons do 150% damage to you. Destroying the purpose of cloaking will just make the cloak worthless. This simple solution gives a drawback to using a cloaking device without destroying it like a community demanded nerf to cloaking will drive CCP to do. BTW- if Heavys AND Cloaks get nerfed before HAVs... I am murdering cute kittens... This is a very bad idea. That would mean even the "true scouts" who have less than 400 eHP will die within seconds whenever they're cloaked. You're not only encouraging brick-tanking scouts, but you're also destroying the idea of how the scout should be. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.


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