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pink FLUFF Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 114	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:34:00 - [1] - Quote I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X.
Tectonic Fusion 1346	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:59:00 - [2] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. It's a ***** scout. Solo Player Squad status: Locked**
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 294	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:08:00 - [3] - Quote Nah We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1247	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:13:00 - [4] - Quote No
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2593	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:18:00 - [5] - Quote The scout portion of this community is just acting like the Tankers right after 1.7 Seriously, the parallels between threads and even certain word choice is striking. (Whisper) FYI the new FOTM is the Scout+Cloak+SG combo My SP GAP carries me.
Hir Ranthar Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:18:00 - [6] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: No This is the Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol- the most powerful handgun in New Eden. So tell me, do you feel lucky, Punk?
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 886	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:20:00 - [7] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. It's a ******* scout. ^ Pretty much this. Scouts kind of Scout. Part of their roll. I think people are just used to Scouts being crap and dealing with being repressed for so long by the community.
pink FLUFF Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 114	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:23:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah I can see this, I do not mind the scout at all, I do not even use a cloak, what for? wasted spot.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1247	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:26:00 - [9] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The scout portion of this community is just acting like the Tankers right after 1.7 Seriously, the parallels between threads and even certain word choice is striking. (Whisper) FYI the new FOTM is the Scout+Cloak+SG combo Huh, ive seen more heavies and assults than scouts
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1669	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:30:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The scout portion of this community is just acting like the Tankers right after 1.7 Seriously, the parallels between threads and even certain word choice is striking. (Whisper) FYI the new FOTM is the Scout+Cloak+SG combo We must seek wisdom from Atiim on this matter in this, our time of need. Hmm, time for SCOUTOPHOBES? "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy

BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 887	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:59:00 - [11] - Quote Oh, I should also like to point out the ONLY WAY to get 80+ meter scan radius passively is to run 3 Complex Range Amplifiers at the same time and ask yourself how many Scouts are going to sacrifice their lows for that? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;usp=sharing#gid=1
pink FLUFF Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 114	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:52:00 - [12] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The scout portion of this community is just acting like the Tankers right after 1.7 Seriously, the parallels between threads and even certain word choice is striking. (Whisper) FYI the new FOTM is the Scout+Cloak+SG combo Huh, i dont think i see enough scouts for that to be true Seems like heavies are the more popular option right now. shotguns are definetly not FOTM,thats just silly. The vast majority of scouts I see run the combat rifle. Yeah heavies are OP nerf heavies!
John ShepardIII G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 181	Posted - 2014.03.28 07:09:00 - [13] - Quote Heavies are in no way OP, I am also a cal scout and believe the problem is high hp used on some scout suits. I don't think a scout should be sable to get more than 400-500 hp it interferes with the assault role when a scout runs around with more life than this and wields a CR. I don't want to see a reduction to slots because my scout hunter suit only has 400 total hp but perhaps a cap on health for scouts? CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN Join out pub channel G0DS AM0NG MEN :D
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7689	Posted - 2014.03.28 07:09:00 - [14] - Quote /sighs Why the ** are there now threads popping up asking for scout nerfs JUST as scouts are finally making a comeback? The Gallente scout was able to see up to 100 meters out passively back in 1.7 for the past three months and no one complained. But now you start coming here asking for a debuff (which is just a covert way of saying "nerf it")? Screw you people. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor**
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 210	Posted - 2014.03.28 07:34:00 - [15] - Quote The same reason there were threads to nerf the "assault logi". The suits have a role. Fitting a suit to cross over into another role fine, BUT said suit shouldn't be able to run the role better than. Examples: Logi Brick >Heavies Logi Assualt>Assault Scout Assault>Assault You see the pattern.....no reason to run assault when every other suit does it better and with the 20% heavy HP reduction there will be little point in running a heavy. Each suit should be GREAT at its intended role and good/decent if you cross it over. You would still be able to customize each suit to your play style. Sadly this has never been the case with Dust. One of the reasons why you don't see much variety on the battle field. At least in pubs. It's all about the best "slayer" suit. Every once in a while you will get into the pub games that feel more like a pc battle. Of course that is when you have a squad going against another squad for the same objectives and it turns into who can counter who. Those are few and far between. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 306	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:00:00 - [16] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Oh, I should also like to point out the ONLY WAY to get 80+ meter scan radius passively is to run 3 Complex Range Amplifiers at the same time and ask yourself how many Scouts are going to sacrifice their lows for that? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;usp=sharing#gid=1 Hush you, don't let facts get in the way of QQ
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 306	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:01:00 - [17] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: The same reason there were threads to nerf the "assault logi". The suits have a role. Fitting a suit to cross over into another role fine, BUT said suit shouldn't be able to run the role better than. Examples: Logi Brick >Heavies Logi Assualt>Assault Scout Assault>Assault You see the pattern.....no reason to run assault when every other suit does it better and with the 20% heavy HP reduction there will be little point in running a heavy. Each suit should be GREAT at its intended role and good/decent if you cross it over. You would still be able to customize each suit to your play style. Sadly this has never been the case with Dust. One of the reasons why you don't see much variety on the battle field. At least in pubs. It's all about the best "slayer" suit. Every once in a while you will get into the pub games that feel more like a pc battle. Of course that is when you have a squad going against another squad for the same objectives and it turns into who can counter who. Those are few and far between. Heavies don't need a 20% reduction though
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 99	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:10:00 - [18] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. sssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 99	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:11:00 - [19] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The scout portion of this community is just acting like the Tankers right after 1.7 Seriously, the parallels between threads and even certain word choice is striking. (Whisper) FYI the new FOTM is the Scout+Cloak+SG combo Huh, i dont think i see enough scouts for that to be true Seems like heavies are the more popular option right now. shotguns are definetly not FOTM,thats just silly. The vast majority of scouts I see run the combat rifle. >See Think really hard about this.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1249	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:32:00 - [20] - Quote I do not mind their ability to scan. but scouts just made assault useless. why use a assault when you can get a scout with 800 ehp that sports high speed, small hitbox, decent passive scan and the ability to avoid some scanners without any mods. or a cloaked scout with 600 ehp, who is able to unload 3 shotgun rounds on you while cloaked because the cloak animation takes so long to finish. it looks like CCP devs played mass effect shotgun infiltrator for too long...

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2558	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:34:00 - [21] - Quote Caldari scouts only get 2 low slots - they can't reach 80m passive scan range, only the gallente can and if they want to be able to scan other scouts, they have to use their high slots to do so, thus having zero tank - sounds fair to me; that's the setup I most commonly run and not in a million years would I consider it even remotely OP. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2558	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:42:00 - [22] - Quote Heavies are not necessarily going to get nerfed and assaults and logis will eventually get their base stats and slots looked at, as CCP 'didn't have enough time' to do it for 1.8. My suspicion (and suggestion) would be to buff assaults' base eHP, so that they'll easily outperform scout assaults in tanking. edit - double posting like a Kaisar outside the barbershop! Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Marc Rime 333	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:46:00 - [23] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: you can get a scout with 800 ehp that sports high speed I experimented with a few fittings. While it's possible to get 800 EHP it makes you slower than an un-bricked assault (and eats all available slots).
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1963	Posted - 2014.03.28 10:37:00 - [24] - Quote Dont get why the gal scan scout is considered to be OP, its very well balanced VS the ability to tank. Its a very niche role also. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2228	Posted - 2014.03.28 10:40:00 - [25] - Quote 80m scan radius holy f. when was that in the patch notes?
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2228	Posted - 2014.03.28 10:42:00 - [26] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Oh, I should also like to point out the ONLY WAY to get 80+ meter scan radius passively is to run 3 Complex Range Amplifiers at the same time and ask yourself how many Scouts are going to sacrifice their lows for that? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;usp=sharing#gid=1 oh nvm , OP is dumb, everything is fine. I was going to say, 80m passive would let you reach 200m passive scanning. Getting to 80m scan radius takes a lot of slots but it's awesome.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7690	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:22:00 - [27] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: 80m scan radius holy f. when was that in the patch notes? Its been like that since 1.7 for the past three months. You never noticed it? Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2243	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:24:00 - [28] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. 80M radius? Don't you mean 20 meters? For the Federation!
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1734	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:26:00 - [29] - Quote What's wrong with the GalScout? If one chooses not to brick tank it, it seems fairly balanced and Scouty to me....
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7690	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:28:00 - [30] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. 80M radius? Don't you mean 20 meters? He's accounting for the scan range modules. But even then that's sacrificing a lot of tank. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Floyd20 Azizora L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 43	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:29:00 - [31] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: What's wrong with the GalScout? If one chooses not to brick tank it, it seems fairly balanced and Scouty to me.... key words, brick tank. too many people seem to come across ones with lots of hp and shotgun that somehow does 5-600 damage per shot.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7690	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:38:00 - [32] - Quote Floyd20 Azizora wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: What's wrong with the GalScout? If one chooses not to brick tank it, it seems fairly balanced and Scouty to me.... key words, brick tank. too many people seem to come across ones with lots of hp and shotgun that somehow does 5-600 damage per shot. But that means those brick tanked scouts are sacrificing a lot of passive scan range and profile just to tank. They will be mostly blind. Looks alright to me. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1779	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:29:00 - [33] - Quote 80 meters, huh? What's your loadout? So what happens when you pick somehing up? How well does a low-speed, low-hp, low-stealth scout perform in combat? @ Regnums Anyone with a gun can counter a Scout. How many things can counter a Tank?
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1269	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:31:00 - [34] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. I have a properly fitted Cal Scout for hunting down a certain someone... I Have about 400+ EHP.... So i have to be extremely careful about my choice... It's not like i can run a 800hp Scout, that would beat the purpose.... Have commandos for that... Few interesting things i've seen though Gal Commando + Cloak and CR = Pain in the ass Min Logi + Cloak + REs = Tank killer
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 756	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:13:00 - [35] - Quote OP is dumb. You can't attain 80m passive, you have to invest in 2 complex range amps to get 75m, which is max for the Cal, filling your low slots and therefore no "brick tank" Even if you fill all your high slots with complex shields you still have less hp than an assault or logi from the same meta level and good luck fitting a decent weapon or sidearm. As others have said, this is nothing new. In fact the Gal could had even greater scan radius in 1.7 as its bonus was 10% per level, instead of just 5%. LOL @ shotgun being OP. CR still takes the cake on DPS. CR = 683dps AR=475dps RR=457dps Magsec=450dps Shotgun=73dps per pellet (8, half of which usually dont hit) PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 47	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:16:00 - [36] - Quote Nerf the gallente and minmatar suits, sounds good. They are op lol. Edit: nerf that scum, amarr and caldari are fine. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 650	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:29:00 - [37] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Oh, I should also like to point out the ONLY WAY to get 80+ meter scan radius passively is to run 3 Complex Range Amplifiers at the same time and ask yourself how many Scouts are going to sacrifice their lows for that? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;usp=sharing#gid=1 ^This guy. 240 ehp. Fair trade. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Yan Darn Science For Death 424	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:32:00 - [38] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. I didn't even realise you could get 80m on a Caldari. Just in case people don't understand the OPs point. With all the current balancing problems between scouts and assaults. He wants to lower the effectiveness of replacing plates in lows with range amps. The range is pretty much the same as it was 1.7. The ability to see more. On a scout. Is what needs nerfing apparently. Actually no, this is so irrational I have to call troll. The Ghost of Bravo
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1289	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:38:00 - [39] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. (Caldari assault weighing in) If someone is willing to fit the modules necessary to get passive scan ranges like that, then let them. I don't mind the recon, sneaky, scouting role in the game being great at gathering intelligence. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1251	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:40:00 - [40] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Dexter307 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The scout portion of this community is just acting like the Tankers right after 1.7 Seriously, the parallels between threads and even certain word choice is striking. (Whisper) FYI the new FOTM is the Scout+Cloak+SG combo Huh, i dont think i see enough scouts for that to be true Seems like heavies are the more popular option right now. shotguns are definetly not FOTM,thats just silly. The vast majority of scouts I see run the combat rifle. >See Think really hard about this. You can see cloaked scouts Most matches I play have no more than 2 or 3 scouts Everyone used it right when it came out because it was new

Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:42:00 - [41] - Quote 80meters = squishy u obviously could get good range on the others so no. Not everyone has cor skills maxed Hit me with your nerf bat.
Marc Rime 335	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:01:00 - [42] - Quote I don't really see the problem with suits specialized at scanning getting that kind of range with full skills and a third of their slots dedicated to boosting that very stat. Besides, it's quite possible to kill them without getting within their scan radius. Anyway, if their base range or bonus is nerfed it will become almost useless unless you equip two range amps. They should, however, buff the passive scanner range of all suits, at least a bit. I want players to become reliant on their scanners since it makes them easier to sneak up on with low enough sig profile ;).
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 147	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:03:00 - [43] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. Cal can pick up all, also why have caldari a boost on picking on ammar? Gallante is our enemy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7694	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:38:00 - [44] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. I didn't even realise you could get 80m on a Caldari. Just in case people don't understand the OPs point. With all the current balancing problems between scouts and assaults. He wants to lower the effectiveness of replacing plates in lows with range amps. The range is pretty much the same as it was 1.7. The ability to see more. On a scout. Is what needs nerfing apparently. Actually no, this is so irrational I have to call troll. I was about to flame you like Gordon Ramsey until I read the last line of your post. Lol Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1097	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:40:00 - [45] - Quote pink FLUFF wrote: I hate to say this, but Gal and Caldari scout need a slight debuff. The 80m Scan radius is nuts, way too good. Assault or Scout with a 80m passive? Scout. How do we fix this? Well, have caldari get a boost to picking up amarr, amarr a boost against gallante, gallente against minmatar, and minmatar against amarr. This would give players a reason to go into a specific scout. Think of EVE and ECM and ECCM. You could hide from X person but not X. No precision with gallante, i think the caldari is your problem. *Assassination is my thing.*


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