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NAV HIV wrote:

RendonaSix wrote:

NAV HIV wrote:

RendonaSix wrote:

So everyone, we need a player market, then there's no isk disparity and then there'd be no actual reason other than not being ready to take part. You could earn a clone packs worth of isk EASY in between attacks playing the market.

That wouldn't change much, you'd still have to fight the same group of people and Corps. These Corps would still have the same incentives to Hold the land, Which would be passive ISK regen. If you remove Passive ISK regen from the equation and integrate Player Market with weapons development or Raw materials and mining, things would change a lot. No one would want to hold 30 District with 30 players anymore. Currently there are no negative impacts on holding that amount of land. No taxes, nothing at all. Pure profit.

But then people would still be able to quickly make isk and stay in PC or give it a shot at least, at least then we could make isk rather the grinding it as such.

If your smart, a player market would keep any corp in PC, sure you'd loose districts but you could make isk back very quickly and literally half hour or an hour spent playing the mnatket alone could yield one or two clone packs, there'd be no problem.

It would literally just be people whining over the fact that they are not top dog, normally I'd laugh but in dust, you know there's going to be such scum lol.

LOL very true... I want to get rid of items which i dont want and invest in proper sectors. Would be a welcoming change

"For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"

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NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1239	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:46:00 - [1] - Quote Posted this somewhere else... But there you go: Biggest Problem with PC right now is the ISK generation. CCP should remove ISK regeneration and keep it to clones only. Few things to change: 1. CCP should charge the district holders for holding more than 80 (for Cargo Hub), 100 (Production facilities) This would force District holders to Use the clones, rather than just selling it for free isk without any competition. 2. Should stop giving ISK for selling clones. Replace it with Minerals. Like mining in EvE i guess. Corp can make isk by regenerating minerals and selling it in the marketplace or use it to make weapons and such for the CORP members. But they would still have to pay fines for excess Clones Remove the ISK factor and it would become a whole new ball game. People holding 10-20 districts would be forced to use the excess clones. I'm sure no CORP would want to hold more districts than they need at that point. I'd guess 2-3 districts max per CORP.... that 8-10 mil in clone regen, if it turns into 4-5 mil in fines and taxes for excess clones than PC would change for sure..
x0scarMike Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 15	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:00:00 - [2] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Posted this somewhere else... But there you go: Biggest Problem with PC right now is the ISK generation. CCP should remove ISK regeneration and keep it to clones only. Few things to change: 1. CCP should charge the district holders for holding more than 80 (for Cargo Hub), 100 (Production facilities) This would force District holders to Use the clones, rather than just selling it for free isk without any competition. 2. Should stop giving ISK for selling clones. Replace it with Minerals. Like mining in EvE i guess. Corp can make isk by regenerating minerals and selling it in the marketplace or use it to make weapons and such for the CORP members. But they would still have to pay fines for excess Clones Remove the ISK factor and it would become a whole new ball game. People holding 10-20 districts would be forced to use the excess clones. I'm sure no CORP would want to hold more districts than they need at that point. I'd guess 2-3 districts max per CORP.... that 8-10 mil in clone regen, if it turns into 4-5 mil in fines and taxes for excess clones than PC would change for sure.. You sir are dumb...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1239	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:04:00 - [3] - Quote x0scarMike wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Posted this somewhere else... But there you go: Biggest Problem with PC right now is the ISK generation. CCP should remove ISK regeneration and keep it to clones only. Few things to change: 1. CCP should charge the district holders for holding more than 80 (for Cargo Hub), 100 (Production facilities) This would force District holders to Use the clones, rather than just selling it for free isk without any competition. 2. Should stop giving ISK for selling clones. Replace it with Minerals. Like mining in EvE i guess. Corp can make isk by regenerating minerals and selling it in the marketplace or use it to make weapons and such for the CORP members. But they would still have to pay fines for excess Clones Remove the ISK factor and it would become a whole new ball game. People holding 10-20 districts would be forced to use the excess clones. I'm sure no CORP would want to hold more districts than they need at that point. I'd guess 2-3 districts max per CORP.... that 8-10 mil in clone regen, if it turns into 4-5 mil in fines and taxes for excess clones than PC would change for sure.. You sir are dumb... I sure am.. But if people are crying so much about PC and PC district holders wanting so many Good Fights, i don't see what the problem is. This way the main reason to hold districts would be to Fight for it, not just camp it. Trust me, been there, done that and have enough ISK to support my Dust career till the end lol ...
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 651	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:06:00 - [4] - Quote Im sure if GTA took district from RA this post would never exist The new CEO of FA
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 873	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:07:00 - [5] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im sure if GTA took district from RA this post would never exist What is an RA?? p.s. GTA did flip districts from RA.... while we were there! Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1239	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:12:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im sure if GTA took district from RA this post would never exist Don't exactly care about it, not crying about PC stuff either. But a lot of people are. I know ISK is yummy, it's fun to farm it dont' have any issues with it either. That's how CCP designed it. But if poeple are claiming to look for good fights, then why not,
AP Grasshopper Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 234	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:43:00 - [7] - Quote If you brought good fights we'd have good fights and you would probably have a district or two. You no showed or gave up or steamrolled instead. GG
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1239	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:44:00 - [8] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: If you brought good fights we'd have good fights and you would probably have a district or two. You no showed and gave up instead. GG We show up in all of our battles. Not sure or liable for other corps.
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 662	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:52:00 - [9] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: If you brought good fights we'd have good fights and you would probably have a district or two. You no showed or gave up or steamrolled instead. GG You used to be in The Unit 514 Ghostt Shadoww used to be in The Unit 514 By such close association with Ghostt Shadoww, your opinion is invalid. Twin brother of 843-BANE
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:54:00 - [10] - Quote PC is beyond repair, consider it done. As I said in another thread, you could assemble a corp as good as imps and have 2 billion isk, you'd still get grinded out anyway. The isk disparity is so far gone that any attempt to get in PC without buying or circle jerking will be fail unless you can get billions of isk quicker than grinding for maybe a year on high tax running starter fits. PC is done, all that is left is for those with hope to get farmed and for the top corps to keep fighting the same people repeatedly, you could have the best team ever but you will never have enough isk, ever. Look at the time PC has been farmed for isk and look at the options we have to grind isk, yeah exactly lol. Once the player market arrives then this will change as we can make a lot of isk quickly but until then, getting into PC is an unrealistic idea if you want to do it your own way without recycled vets. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"

RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:57:00 - [11] - Quote So everyone, we need a player market, then there's no isk disparity and then there'd be no actual reason other than not being ready to take part. You could earn a clone packs worth of isk EASY in between attacks playing the market. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
D4GG3R Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:07:00 - [12] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: AP Grasshopper wrote: If you brought good fights we'd have good fights and you would probably have a district or two. You no showed or gave up or steamrolled instead. GG You used to be in The Unit 514 Ghostt Shadoww used to be in The Unit 514 By such close association with Ghostt Shadoww, your opinion is invalid. Epidemic I think I love you. Most sense anyone has made all day! Shout out to all my Pre-1.8 scout brothers!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:13:00 - [13] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: So everyone, we need a player market, then there's no isk disparity and then there'd be no actual reason other than not being ready to take part. You could earn a clone packs worth of isk EASY in between attacks playing the market. That wouldn't change much, you'd still have to fight the same group of people and Corps. These Corps would still have the same incentives to Hold the land, Which would be passive ISK regen. If you remove Passive ISK regen from the equation and integrate Player Market with weapons development or Raw materials and mining, things would change a lot. No one would want to hold 30 District with 30 players anymore. Currently there are no negative impacts on holding that amount of land. No taxes, nothing at all. Pure profit.
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:22:00 - [14] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: RendonaSix wrote: So everyone, we need a player market, then there's no isk disparity and then there'd be no actual reason other than not being ready to take part. You could earn a clone packs worth of isk EASY in between attacks playing the market. That wouldn't change much, you'd still have to fight the same group of people and Corps. These Corps would still have the same incentives to Hold the land, Which would be passive ISK regen. If you remove Passive ISK regen from the equation and integrate Player Market with weapons development or Raw materials and mining, things would change a lot. No one would want to hold 30 District with 30 players anymore. Currently there are no negative impacts on holding that amount of land. No taxes, nothing at all. Pure profit. But then people would still be able to quickly make isk and stay in PC or give it a shot at least, at least then we could make isk rather the grinding it as such. If your smart, a player market would keep any corp in PC, sure you'd loose districts but you could make isk back very quickly and literally half hour or an hour spent playing the mnatket alone could yield one or two clone packs, there'd be no problem. It would literally just be people whining over the fact that they are not top dog, normally I'd laugh but in dust, you know there's going to be such scum lol. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 - [15] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: NAV HIV wrote: RendonaSix wrote: So everyone, we need a player market, then there's no isk disparity and then there'd be no actual reason other than not being ready to take part. You could earn a clone packs worth of isk EASY in between attacks playing the market. That wouldn't change much, you'd still have to fight the same group of people and Corps. These Corps would still have the same incentives to Hold the land, Which would be passive ISK regen. If you remove Passive ISK regen from the equation and integrate Player Market with weapons development or Raw materials and mining, things would change a lot. No one would want to hold 30 District with 30 players anymore. Currently there are no negative impacts on holding that amount of land. No taxes, nothing at all. Pure profit. But then people would still be able to quickly make isk and stay in PC or give it a shot at least, at least then we could make isk rather the grinding it as such. If your smart, a player market would keep any corp in PC, sure you'd loose districts but you could make isk back very quickly and literally half hour or an hour spent playing the mnatket alone could yield one or two clone packs, there'd be no problem. It would literally just be people whining over the fact that they are not top dog, normally I'd laugh but in dust, you know there's going to be such scum lol. LOL very true... I want to get rid of items which i dont want and invest in proper sectors. Would be a welcoming change
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:32:00 - [16] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: RendonaSix wrote: NAV HIV wrote: RendonaSix wrote: So everyone, we need a player market, then there's no isk disparity and then there'd be no actual reason other than not being ready to take part. You could earn a clone packs worth of isk EASY in between attacks playing the market. That wouldn't change much, you'd still have to fight the same group of people and Corps. These Corps would still have the same incentives to Hold the land, Which would be passive ISK regen. If you remove Passive ISK regen from the equation and integrate Player Market with weapons development or Raw materials and mining, things would change a lot. No one would want to hold 30 District with 30 players anymore. Currently there are no negative impacts on holding that amount of land. No taxes, nothing at all. Pure profit. But then people would still be able to quickly make isk and stay in PC or give it a shot at least, at least then we could make isk rather the grinding it as such. If your smart, a player market would keep any corp in PC, sure you'd loose districts but you could make isk back very quickly and literally half hour or an hour spent playing the mnatket alone could yield one or two clone packs, there'd be no problem. It would literally just be people whining over the fact that they are not top dog, normally I'd laugh but in dust, you know there's going to be such scum lol. LOL very true... I want to get rid of items which i dont want and invest in proper sectors. Would be a welcoming change The annoying thing is that I'm having the same Congo pretty much in two threads lol, repeat, repeat, repeat lol. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:33:00 - [17] - Quote Lol Congo. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1405	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:53:00 - [18] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Posted this somewhere else... But there you go: Biggest Problem with PC right now is the ISK generation. CCP should remove ISK regeneration and keep it to clones only. Few things to change: 1. CCP should charge the district holders for holding more than 80 (for Cargo Hub), 100 (Production facilities) This would force District holders to Use the clones, rather than just selling it for free isk without any competition. 2. Should stop giving ISK for selling clones. Replace it with Minerals. Like mining in EvE i guess. Corp can make isk by regenerating minerals and selling it in the marketplace or use it to make weapons and such for the CORP members. But they would still have to pay fines for excess Clones Remove the ISK factor and it would become a whole new ball game. People holding 10-20 districts would be forced to use the excess clones. I'm sure no CORP would want to hold more districts than they need at that point. I'd guess 2-3 districts max per CORP.... that 8-10 mil in clone regen, if it turns into 4-5 mil in fines and taxes for excess clones than PC would change for sure.. weird that you didn't think of these things before we took all your districts.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:57:00 - [19] - Quote low genius wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Posted this somewhere else... But there you go: Biggest Problem with PC right now is the ISK generation. CCP should remove ISK regeneration and keep it to clones only. Few things to change: 1. CCP should charge the district holders for holding more than 80 (for Cargo Hub), 100 (Production facilities) This would force District holders to Use the clones, rather than just selling it for free isk without any competition. 2. Should stop giving ISK for selling clones. Replace it with Minerals. Like mining in EvE i guess. Corp can make isk by regenerating minerals and selling it in the marketplace or use it to make weapons and such for the CORP members. But they would still have to pay fines for excess Clones Remove the ISK factor and it would become a whole new ball game. People holding 10-20 districts would be forced to use the excess clones. I'm sure no CORP would want to hold more districts than they need at that point. I'd guess 2-3 districts max per CORP.... that 8-10 mil in clone regen, if it turns into 4-5 mil in fines and taxes for excess clones than PC would change for sure.. weird that you didn't think of these things before we took all your districts. Wierd cause i didn't have any for you to take !!!! LOL Pass me whatever you are smoking
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 667	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:06:00 - [20] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: low genius wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Posted this somewhere else... But there you go: Biggest Problem with PC right now is the ISK generation. CCP should remove ISK regeneration and keep it to clones only. Few things to change: 1. CCP should charge the district holders for holding more than 80 (for Cargo Hub), 100 (Production facilities) This would force District holders to Use the clones, rather than just selling it for free isk without any competition. 2. Should stop giving ISK for selling clones. Replace it with Minerals. Like mining in EvE i guess. Corp can make isk by regenerating minerals and selling it in the marketplace or use it to make weapons and such for the CORP members. But they would still have to pay fines for excess Clones Remove the ISK factor and it would become a whole new ball game. People holding 10-20 districts would be forced to use the excess clones. I'm sure no CORP would want to hold more districts than they need at that point. I'd guess 2-3 districts max per CORP.... that 8-10 mil in clone regen, if it turns into 4-5 mil in fines and taxes for excess clones than PC would change for sure.. weird that you didn't think of these things before we took all your districts. Wierd cause i didn't have any for you to take !!!! LOL Pass me whatever you are smoking Just so everyone knows: STB and Molon Labe don't = All of Tso's alliance Twin brother of 843-BANE

Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1952	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:50:00 - [21] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: AP Grasshopper wrote: If you brought good fights we'd have good fights and you would probably have a district or two. You no showed or gave up or steamrolled instead. GG You used to be in The Unit 514 Ghostt Shadoww used to be in The Unit 514 By such close association with Ghostt Shadoww, your opinion is invalid. #shotsfired Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2513	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:54:00 - [22] - Quote I'd like to see the changes, but I'd rather see PC 2.0 Thunderdome is postponed until corp battles return please stop sending mails to me. QQ at CCP, not at me.
Patrick57 6218	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:03:00 - [23] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im sure if GTA took district from RA this post would never exist What is an RA?? p.s. GTA did flip districts from RA.... while we were there!
D4GG3R Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 77	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:12:00 - [24] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im sure if GTA took district from RA this post would never exist What is an RA?? p.s. GTA did flip districts from RA.... while we were there! You make me sad Shout out to all my Pre-1.8 scout brothers!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1272	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:46:00 - [25] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: I'd like to see the changes, but I'd rather see PC 2.0 I guess.... ETA >?! Soon tm ?!
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3116	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:25:00 - [26] - Quote Passive ISK has always been a blight on Molden Heath. You should get ISK for fighting and not sitting on land. The way the system is right now more money is made by milking passive ISK. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1274	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:26:00 - [27] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Passive ISK has always been a blight on Molden Heath. You should get ISK for fighting and not sitting on land. The way the system is right now more money is made by milking passive ISK. The way it's going, soon enough ISK won't even be a factor... It Should Full on battles. Only Corps who would be willing to Defend and fight for districts constantly should be on PC. Not to take 30-40 district and farm ISK. Makes it Stale, creates a lot of blue donuts. That's why i proposed this idea... - Clones generated from a district should be used for fighting - There should be some kind of penalty or taxes for Excess clones. This would force District holders to use their clones for fighting other CORPs. Only Corps with a lot of players would hold multiple districts then. This way CORPS with enough players would get access to PC and grow from there. Rather than the usual One Blue donut Beating the other blue donut, which has been the tradition since the beginning of PC - Incase The excessive clones generated becomes an issue, CCP can make a FW section for a High Sec, Null Sec (Not sure how the layers work in EVE, but you guys can decide whats what) CORPs would be able to Deploy Clones generated from the District to Defend or attack Districts on FW. CORPS wouldn't own the said districts. If they win, may be the Faction would own it. Corps would get better salvages and good ISK payouts for their effort. This would make FW more interesting. This could bring back the old Contract style of battles. - Districts should produce minerals which could be used for getting LP store weapons and items for the CORP. For this there should be CORP vault. The directors and CEO would have control of the vault. - Minerals from Gallente Space would allow the Corp to produce Gallente LP store items for the CORP. Same would go for other Factions. It would make more sense for a Corp to be loyal to a certain Factional Warfare and EvE integration. - Corp should not be allowed to sell the items on Player markets. Might disrupt the economy a bit too much. District ownership should be there to help Corp and its members gain access to weapons. Help train the members and motivate them fight better to make ISK... - Regular FW battles should be there for more relaxed FW matches. For newer players to play FW matches and also for players who are not interested in a CORP or for players who just wanna play solo. They can Still have access to LP with the LP points earned. I may be very stupid for saying this. But if others are so smart and they want something good for PC and If everyone decides to get off the pointless ISK generating machine, there is a lot that can be achieved.
PaulyPanCakes89 the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:27:00 - [28] - Quote lol you guys
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1948	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:37:00 - [29] - Quote Personally I think reducing the isk is stupid.. Don't say oh that's cuz you get paid I have never once accepted a paycheck just reimbursements.. But I think there needs too be more too the districts too make people actually want too have them, maybe drop minerals so you can build dropsuits/ weapons/ vehicles, or holding a district allows you too make a corp color so everyone in your corp will have a green and red dropsuit or something same with vehicles.. Maybe idk I'm too tired for ideas.. I'll return when I'm fully awake. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1274	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:39:00 - [30] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Personally I think reducing the isk is stupid.. Don't say oh that's cuz you get paid I have never once accepted a paycheck just reimbursements.. But I think there needs too be more too the districts too make people actually want too have them, maybe drop minerals so you can build dropsuits/ weapons/ vehicles, or holding a district allows you too make a corp color so everyone in your corp will have a green and red dropsuit or something same with vehicles.. Maybe idk I'm too tired for ideas.. I'll return when I'm fully awake. Exactly. ISK should be earned through battle. Not passively...



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