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Saxbrin Shain
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:43:00 -
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I get it: CCP screwed up. The Amarr Scout didn't cost as much SP as it should have GÇö but that's no my fault, so I don't understand why I am being penalized.
I dumped a few ranks into it to try because I had SP to spare. Sure, I could have noticed that the multiplier was wrong if I was scrutinizing, but I'm a customer not a Quality Assurance employee. Not. My. Job. But now I can't take the SP I spent the last few days saving up to try the new sidearms like I had planned. Instead, I need to spend the next few days making up SP debt from your error.
CCP, your mistake and your choice to punish players as a "fix" is mind boggling. So many seemingly obvious errors GÇö text descriptions, skill requirements, slot layouts, skill bonuses not applying GÇö slipped through 1.8 that playing this off as my fault is not just a slap but a closed-fist punch to the face. I know it's impossible to catch every bug, and that players certainly find them faster than any QA team could, but honestlyGǪ almost every new dropsuit needs fixes?
Do us all a favor, swallow your pride, and admit that the game is still in Beta. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:50:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:snipped bullshit
Reading comprehension is not your strong point. I dumped spare SP into something I wanted to try, not something I wanted to specialize in. I would have rather had those SP refunded because I'm not a scout.
Yeah. That's penalizing me for CCP's mistake. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:57:00 -
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Philipp Achtel wrote:CCP deserves a lot of criticism, but you're arguing in bad faith here. You knew the SP multiplier was wrong, but chose to use your points there anyway instead of wait for the multiplier to be fixed.
Now you're here demanding a reversal.
Its especially frustrating to me because posts like yours are used as a straw man when CCP screws up and people point it out. You are the kind of player poisoning the well.
Do you just not read, either?
I DUMPED SPARE SP INTO SOMETHING I WANTED TO TRY. NOW I'M BEING PENALIZED BECAUSE CCP ****** UP. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:00:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Bethhy wrote:EMEMEMEMEMEMEM
But didnt stop to think you just got a SP loan for advanced skills... No interest..
Take your gift and thank CCP on your way out.
Almost every Mercenary in DUST would take a SP loan to get a skill they don't have SP for.
Just wow. Yeah, the logic on these people is ridiculous. Ok, let's imagine an hypotethical scenario. CCP fudges up big time and every single skill costs 0. I notice this a buy them all. I now have access to every single skill in the game. Now let's imagine instead of taking my skills back, decides to just correct the price of the skills while leaving me with a 255 million SP negative balance. Why would i have any reason to complain? Wouldn't i in fact be way more than thankful that CCP allowed me to profit from the bug? It's hilarious and insane that these people feel they have any reason whatsoever to complain. Or they cold refund that one skill like they've done before. That would have been nice, because I didn't ask for a damn loan. Sorry I'm not a spreadsheet aspie and don't compare multipliers because I expect CCP to not screw up something basic that has been fine since Beta. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:06:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Saxbrin Shain wrote: Or they cold refund that one skill like they've done before. That would have been nice, because I didn't ask for a damn loan.
Oh i get it now. You thought that's what CCP would do. You knew it was a mistake and you thought you were being smart to profit from it. And now that CCP gave you that skill you're mad that your little scheme is set in print. Now you're just trolling. I thought i was spending spare SP. I didn't look at the multiplier because I shouldn't have to, and even if I had I wouldn't have assumed it was wrong because I wasn't privy to that information. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:28:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Saxbrin Shain wrote:Yagihige wrote:Saxbrin Shain wrote: Or they cold refund that one skill like they've done before. That would have been nice, because I didn't ask for a damn loan.
Oh i get it now. You thought that's what CCP would do. You knew it was a mistake and you thought you were being smart to profit from it. And now that CCP gave you that skill you're mad that your little scheme is set in print. Now you're just trolling. I thought i was spending spare SP. I didn't look at the multiplier because I shouldn't have to, and even if I had I wouldn't have assumed it was wrong because I wasn't privy to that information. Look, let's imagine the following. Let's go back in time and imagine that instead of the Amarr Scout skills you bought, you had opted for another scout suit, with the correct SP prices. You don't have to be a genius to understand that you wouldn't have enough SP to buy up to the same level you bought. If there was another player that was a complete duplicate of you up until 1.8 launched but that instead of opting for the skills you did, had opted for another with correct SP prices, that duplicate of you would right now have access to less skills than you. You, on the other hand, have the benefit of having access to skills for which your duplicate can't have access to yet.
You seem to be doing an awful lot of speculating, so let me break down the sequence of events for you:
- 1.8 launched, I installed the patch.
- I looked at the skill tree and unlocked the suits I could use the day before.
- With nothing left to improve, and some SP to spare, I decided to try the Amarr scout GÇö not looking at any other Scout suit. I play Amarr, and I expect the skill tree to not be broken. That's not unreasonable.
- After unlocking the prerequesites, I dumped my remaining SP into Amarr Scout because that's what was left, not because it was cheaper than the other Scouts. It was enough for 2 ranks. That's not a lot of SP.
- CCP realized they made a mistake and chose to penalize players for it. I was affected.
It was cheaper than other scouts and had to be fixed. I get that, and it's not a problem. I made a decision based on the information the game presented to me, and I have now been penalized. The problem is how CCP handled it. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:41:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Saxbrin Shain wrote:[b]This post is about how CCP has handled a long list of mistakes that never should have happened in the first place. Ok, let's imagine this mistake hadn't happened. What would be the result? You wouldn't have enough SP to buy the skills you did. But you do have those skills for which you wouldn't have enough SP for. Hence, the only thing that resulted from this was a profit for you. Your negative SP is SP you were given for free. I think everyone else would like to have the same benefit you have. The only logical reason for you to complain is if you thought you were gaming the system. Stop making this about the SP. Especially when that's the statement you're quoting. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:42:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote: Look back at what people have posted: There are two ways to view this:
1) You get those skills ahead of time. The loan for level 2 isn't that bad, and you basically get free early access.
2) You can file a ticket to get the SP refunded. In which case you got to get a free trial of a dropsuit at skill level 2, decided you don't like it, and can file for a refund.
Either way, you are getting a unique benefit that nobody else gets. This is not a matter you should be complaining about.
I'm not complaining about the SP, I'm complaining that the mistake never should have happened in the first place and it was handled very poorly. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:58:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Saxbrin Shain wrote:
- 1.8 launched, I installed the patch.
- I looked at the skill tree and unlocked the suits I could use the day before.
- With nothing left to improve, and some SP to spare, I decided to try the Amarr scout GÇö not looking at any other Scout suit. I play Amarr, and I expect the skill tree to not be broken. That's not unreasonable.
- After unlocking the prerequesites, I dumped my remaining SP into Amarr Scout because that's what was left, not because it was cheaper than the other Scouts. It was enough for 2 ranks. That's not a lot of SP.
- CCP realized they made a mistake and chose to penalize players for it. I was affected.
Right, now let's imagine your duplicate self prefered Gallente.
- 1.8 launched, I installed the patch.
- I looked at the skill tree and unlocked the suits I could use the day before.
- With nothing left to improve, and some SP to spare, I decided to try the Gallente scout GÇö not looking at any other Scout suit. I play Gallente, and I expect the skill tree to not be broken. That's not unreasonable.
- After unlocking the prerequesites, I dumped my remaining SP into Gallente Scout because that's what was left, not because it was cheaper than the other Scouts. However, I didn't have enough SP so i didn't get the Gallente Scout.
- I now have access to less skills than my duplicate self and he gets to keep his additional skills before he even has SP for them.
You have no reason to complain.
Cool. Now let's imagine yet another alternate reality where the mistake didn't happen in the first place. That's what this thread is really about. |
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