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Spyd Quasar
MEN IN BLACK OPS
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:16:00 -
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This is his post in a Spanish Forum
I am Kain Spero (also known as Kane Spero in Eve Online). I am a member of the CPM (Council of Planetary Management).
One of the council's main responsibilities is to communicate your feedback to CCP. We serve as a group that watches over CCP to prevent corruption as well. The CPM also makes sure that CCP is on the right path for the future of Dust. No matter what language you speak or where you come from you are important to me and the CPM.
Even though communication will be difficult I look forward to having conversations with you. If you would like to talk to me you can reach my on Skype at kain_spero or email me at [email protected]. My apologies, but I really only speak English.
Sincerely,
Kane
My point of view
A political office, entails also responsibility.
According to his own words, Kain Spero, with his corporation Escrow Removal, promised to uphold the rules of the PFC, Oddeluf, and if necessary, ensure the observance of those rules by the corporations owning the districts in Oddeluf, and anyone attacking them.
Kain Spero, member of the CPM and "defender" of the PFC rules, has threatened some corporations with losing their districts in Oddeluf if they did not stop their attacks on Nyan San. It has to be said that those corporations were using Clone Packs for those attacks,, not clones from their PFC districts, so they were complying with all PFC regulations. Even more, those corporations have actually been paying Escrow Removal for it to defend the PFC rules and the corps based there.
Another example. According to PFC rules, Oddeluf is a planet reserved for the training of corps that are not yet competitive enough and that don't own some districts already in Molden Heath outside Oddeluf.
That was the reason given for the removal of What the French training corp from Oddeluf by Spero's corp. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-7
But nothing is done when Arhendee Mercenaries is in the same situation. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Ahrendee_Mercenaries
Kain Spero, with his corp Escrow Removal,, stands as the only judge in PFC. That has a name, and it's called prevarication:
PREVARICATION (meaning)
It is a felony committed when an authority, judge, or other kind of public office makes a decision on a judiciary or administrative issue, knowing beforehand that said decision is unjust.
You use your CPM position to be you, Kain Spero, the one that makes sure that PFC regulations are followed using your corporation, Escrow Removal. You use that position to rent and sell districts at your leisure, and influence other corporations through compensations and rewards to attack those that don't follow your "suggestions".
That also has a name and is called influence peddling.
INFLUENCE PEDDLING (meaning)
This is an illegal, or at least morally reprehensible practice, in which a person uses his personal influence in the government, business company or other circles of power, with the intention of obtaining favours or preferential treatment. Friends or acquaintances in positions of authority or with decision making powers are preferred, and their help is usually secured in exchange of some kind of payment, either in money, favours or valuables.
Kain... I hope you don't think I'm a fool just because you are so "smart"
You will have done much damage to the game and the community.
Life is long and hard... Grab my life!
/ /\/\ \ GÇó \ \/ / GÇó / /\/\ \
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
786
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:20:00 -
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As Logibro said, send a ticket with proof. No point trying to incite drama on the forums.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
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Leonid Tybalt
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
350
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:29:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:As Logibro said, send a ticket with proof. No point trying to incite drama on the forums.
And what sort of "proof" do you suggest that one should present?
You do realize that the only kind of viable proof one can reasonably obtain without breaking the law can also be completely falsified?
The CPM is a position of trust, both by the community and ccp. It doesn't matter if the accusations are false or not, if the trust hasbeen so eroded as it has with Kane, then he should be forced to resign/get forcefully replaced. |
8213
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1972
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:32:00 -
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I see it 2 ways.
If Spero has used his CPM position to gain some sort of in-game advantage, I've yet to see proof. The timeline of his deeds do not match the timeline of his knowing. For those who actually pay attention and get first hand information on what they don't witness for themselves, he's done no wrong doing.
Unless he came up with a very elaborate scheme to space things out and make look as if he wasn't abusing his position. But it still doesn't amount. Nothing he has done or might have know prior would have changed the outcome of anything that has transpired.
Also, I don't see what actual corruption he has committed. Other than forming a coalition after the locking fix was announced, he's done nothing wrong. The fact that the coalition was discussed and and implemented after the announcement... well after in fact. There was a lot leading up to that; which dates back to the beginning of Planetary Conquest itself.
As far as using his information to do "insider deeds" he may have, but it has not halted or accelerated anything in the course of the in-game activity. I suggest talking with him, other CPMs, and CCP if you feel you have a legitimate claim with something to back it with, even if its circumstantial.
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
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Kaughst
Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad.
357
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:35:00 -
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Someone call the FBI.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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noob cavman
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
961
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:35:00 -
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ima just gonna sit here and watch.
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK
Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
We are the blue waffle!
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g li2
Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION
30
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:36:00 -
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Espero prevalezca la raz+¦n y la Justicia.
¡¡¡HONOR!!!
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
2768
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:38:00 -
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CPMs are cocommunty represtivties if the communty throw a **** fit and demand his removal i cant see ccp saying no otherwise it ruins the whole point, now im not calling for rule by mob, so for ccp to act i would say the communty as WHOLE we have to demand his removal.
Kains proven over and over again he will break agreements for profit so i dont blame the communty for having enough.
But i would also construtivly send tickets like logibro has requsted people need to show its common held view rather than a few loud players stamping their feet
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
618
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:40:00 -
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I've been playing with him for about 6 months now on and off.
Despite being hounded constantly by the likes of people like me to break the NDA, he has never come remotely close.
Central/South American corps have been attacking us pretty steadily for a few weeks now. In response we have counter-attacked and have been quite successful in that regard. In situations similar to this, people turn to asymmetrical warfare to combat their opponents. One tactic is for people to make forum posts directed at turning the developers and player base against their attackers. This is a classic case of "forum metagame". I believe this post falls under that category.
Nice try though. |
Kaughst
Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad.
358
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:42:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:CPMs are cocommunty represtivties if the communty throw a **** fit and demand his removal i cant see ccp saying no otherwise it ruins the whole point, now im not calling for rule by mob, so for ccp to act i would say the communty as WHOLE we have to demand his removal.
Kains proven over and over again he will break agreements for profit so i dont blame the communty for having enough.
But i would also construtivly send tickets like logibro has requsted people need to show its common held view rather than a few loud players stamping their feet
I say we get all the farmhands and call in a lynch mob, light some torches and get the town together in the old post office.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3095
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:42:00 -
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lolcpm
Intelligence is OP
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Spyd Quasar
MEN IN BLACK OPS
501
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:54:00 -
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This is not demagogy? NS this all Japan? Do all corporations who attacked NS are racist? Seems to imply that
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149336&find=unread
First, I'm sorry if you have difficult to read Japanese
I am a (Kane Spero in EVE) kain Spero.
I think some players and European players of South America will be able to defeat Japan. They are the only attack of many people, instead of fighting in strength. This war will happen, but 00 (21:00 Japan time): UTC12 Community in Japan can children could bounce in the invasion force. Japan will be able to show off the underlying strength to them in a day in less than. You're going to show off the underlying strength of the Japanese in their war of the day in less than!
I can not only English, sorry if there is a part that is hard to read.
Yours sincerely
Sword
Life is long and hard... Grab my life!
/ /\/\ \ GÇó \ \/ / GÇó / /\/\ \
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
2768
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:04:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:CPMs are cocommunty represtivties if the communty throw a **** fit and demand his removal i cant see ccp saying no otherwise it ruins the whole point, now im not calling for rule by mob, so for ccp to act i would say the communty as WHOLE we have to demand his removal.
Kains proven over and over again he will break agreements for profit so i dont blame the communty for having enough.
But i would also construtivly send tickets like logibro has requsted people need to show its common held view rather than a few loud players stamping their feet I say we get all the farmhands and call in a lynch mob, light some torches and get the town together in the old post office.
Im not gunna lie im trying to hand out tourches to liven things up, its a good sign for Dust514 that people suddenly care again :-)
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
309
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:07:00 -
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Spyd Quasar wrote:This is his post in a Spanish Forum I am Kain Spero (also known as Kane Spero in Eve Online). I am a member of the CPM (Council of Planetary Management). One of the council's main responsibilities is to communicate your feedback to CCP. We serve as a group that watches over CCP to prevent corruption as well. The CPM also makes sure that CCP is on the right path for the future of Dust. No matter what language you speak or where you come from you are important to me and the CPM.Even though communication will be difficult I look forward to having conversations with you. If you would like to talk to me you can reach my on Skype at kain_spero or email me at [email protected]. My apologies, but I really only speak English. Sincerely, Kane My point of viewA political office, entails also responsibility. According to his own words, Kain Spero, with his corporation Escrow Removal, promised to uphold the rules of the PFC, Oddeluf, and if necessary, ensure the observance of those rules by the corporations owning the districts in Oddeluf, and anyone attacking them. Kain Spero, member of the CPM and "defender" of the PFC rules, has threatened some corporations with losing their districts in Oddeluf if they did not stop their attacks on Nyan San. It has to be said that those corporations were using Clone Packs for those attacks,, not clones from their PFC districts, so they were complying with all PFC regulations. Even more, those corporations have actually been paying Escrow Removal for it to defend the PFC rules and the corps based there. Another example. According to PFC rules, Oddeluf is a planet reserved for the training of corps that are not yet competitive enough and that don't own some districts already in Molden Heath outside Oddeluf. That was the reason given for the removal of What the French training corp from Oddeluf by Spero's corp. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-7But nothing is done when Arhendee Mercenaries is in the same situation. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Ahrendee_MercenariesKain Spero, with his corp Escrow Removal,, stands as the only judge in PFC. That has a name, and it's called prevarication: PREVARICATION (meaning) It is a felony committed when an authority, judge, or other kind of public office makes a decision on a judiciary or administrative issue, knowing beforehand that said decision is unjust. You use your CPM position to be you, Kain Spero, the one that makes sure that PFC regulations are followed using your corporation, Escrow Removal. You use that position to rent and sell districts at your leisure, and influence other corporations through compensations and rewards to attack those that don't follow your "suggestions". That also has a name and is called influence peddling. INFLUENCE PEDDLING (meaning) This is an illegal, or at least morally reprehensible practice, in which a person uses his personal influence in the government, business company or other circles of power, with the intention of obtaining favours or preferential treatment. Friends or acquaintances in positions of authority or with decision making powers are preferred, and their help is usually secured in exchange of some kind of payment, either in money, favours or valuables. Kain... I hope you don't think I'm a fool just because you are so "smart" You will have done much damage to the game and the community. I have nothing against him personally, but against their ways, yes. lolPC....What a wonderful world |
Spyd Quasar
MEN IN BLACK OPS
502
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:10:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:Someone call the FBI.
It is best that the community stays silent. Truth?
Life is long and hard... Grab my life!
/ /\/\ \ GÇó \ \/ / GÇó / /\/\ \
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1964
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:12:00 -
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Regarding RND having a district, they currently have a district on PFC as they were hired to remove Men In Black OPS from their district for the reasons of self locking which is against PFC rules and for sending 400 clones against other districts also against PFC rules even if you did fail.
RND are not staying on PFC and will be passing the district on as soon as the details are sorted out. I am guessing this is MIBO getting their collective jimmies rustled for losing their farming land on PFC
Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
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Spyd Quasar
MEN IN BLACK OPS
503
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:22:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Regarding RND having a district, they currently have a district on PFC as they were hired to remove Men In Black OPS from their district for the reasons of self locking which is against PFC rules and for sending 400 clones against other districts also against PFC rules even if you did fail.
RND are not staying on PFC and will be passing the district on as soon as the details are sorted out. I am guessing this is MIBO getting their collective jimmies rustled for losing their farming land on PFC
We broke the rules and so we did not complain.
I knew Kain would break the rules because his words are worth nothing.
I will not accept rules from someone who breaks the rules.
Life is long and hard... Grab my life!
No support in English
/ /\/\ \ GÇó \ \/ / GÇó / /\/\ \
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad.
678
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:24:00 -
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Wow, sorry got distracted by that Louis Armstrong link. Love that song.
But can I say
DRAMAAA
Keep up the fine entertainment!
Being in the same alliance (I think, I give exactly 0 fucks about the bullshit politics, I'm just here to shoot red dots), I had no idea anything was even going on!
But in the end it is still just that, bullshit.
Entertaining bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless.
Ok boys, let's go back to the epeen war!
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1964
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:28:00 -
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Spyd Quasar wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Regarding RND having a district, they currently have a district on PFC as they were hired to remove Men In Black OPS from their district for the reasons of self locking which is against PFC rules and for sending 400 clones against other districts also against PFC rules even if you did fail.
RND are not staying on PFC and will be passing the district on as soon as the details are sorted out. I am guessing this is MIBO getting their collective jimmies rustled for losing their farming land on PFC We broke the rules and so we did not complain. I knew Kain would break the rules because his words are worth nothing. I will not accept rules from someone who breaks the rules. Do you not see the irony in this? we broke the rules but thats ok, someone else broke the rules "grab your pitchforks and torches!" This is quite funny because 1 they haven't actually broke the rules, and 2 you try and make it sound like you only broke the rules because Kain did when this happened after a long time of MIBO breaking the rules.
Regardless of anything else going on reporting someone breaking rules whilst acknowledging that you break rules as well makes your entire argument seem invalid. Its like one glitcher reporting another glitcher who beat them you can guarantee if the first one got away with it he would not have said a word against the second glitcher.
Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
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Spyd Quasar
MEN IN BLACK OPS
503
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:30:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Wow, sorry got distracted by that Louis Armstrong link. Love that song.
But can I say
DRAMAAA
Keep up the fine entertainment!
Being in the same alliance (I think, I give exactly 0 fucks about the bullshit politics, I'm just here to shoot red dots), I had no idea anything was even going on!
But in the end it is still just that, bullshit.
Entertaining bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless.
Ok boys, let's go back to the epeen war!
War? Against who? Against yourself? Against your own alliance?
Life is long and hard... Grab my life!
No support in English
/ /\/\ \ GÇó \ \/ / GÇó / /\/\ \
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Spyd Quasar
MEN IN BLACK OPS
503
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:36:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Do you not see the irony in this? we broke the rules but thats ok, someone else broke the rules "grab your pitchforks and torches!" This is quite funny because 1 they haven't actually broke the rules, and 2 you try and make it sound like you only broke the rules because Kain did when this happened after a long time of MIBO breaking the rules.
Regardless of anything else going on reporting someone breaking rules whilst acknowledging that you break rules as well makes your entire argument seem invalid. Its like one glitcher reporting another glitcher who beat them you can guarantee if the first one got away with it he would not have said a word against the second glitcher.
MIB is not a CPM.
MIB accepts all the rules if all the rules are dictated by the good of the community and not for the benefit of a person or corporation.
Life is long and hard... Grab my life!
No support in English
/ /\/\ \ GÇó \ \/ / GÇó / /\/\ \
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al nize mk2
DUST University Ivy League
50
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:42:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:As Logibro said, send a ticket with proof. No point trying to incite drama on the forums.
Actually I'm all for the drama - I have absolutely no idea what any of this is about but if it incites absurdly high pitched drama on this forum during the day then by all means let it happen...
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
95
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:59:00 -
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[citation needed]
or for you spanish speakers out there
[citaci+¦n necesaria] |
ZIPI GAC
Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION
94
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:27:00 -
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The CPM members must have the support of the community, it is not the first time i hear people talking about this issue, so i will recommend Spero to quit CPM and be just a regular player. As a regular player you can do all you want without suspicions, an probabaly, this is much better for you and also for the community. |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1966
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:27:00 -
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Spyd Quasar wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Do you not see the irony in this? we broke the rules but thats ok, someone else broke the rules "grab your pitchforks and torches!" This is quite funny because 1 they haven't actually broke the rules, and 2 you try and make it sound like you only broke the rules because Kain did when this happened after a long time of MIBO breaking the rules.
Regardless of anything else going on reporting someone breaking rules whilst acknowledging that you break rules as well makes your entire argument seem invalid. Its like one glitcher reporting another glitcher who beat them you can guarantee if the first one got away with it he would not have said a word against the second glitcher. MIB is not a CPM. MIB accepts all the rules if all the rules are dictated by the good of the community and not for the benefit of a person or corporation. Still we have yet to see proof of Kain's corruptness apart from RND have a PFC district which has already been explained, regardless of weather he is a CPM or not complaining that someone is breaking rules that you do not acknowledge is illogical. It is essentially sour grapes if you do not respect these rules or care for them why complain when you think someone else is breaking them fair enough you thought it was the guy who made the rules breaking them which is obviously more of a problem than just a randomer breaking the rules but still the statement "I break the rules but who cares, that guy broke the rules as well what a douche" is a bit ludicrous.
Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
6476
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:31:00 -
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If you have proof, please forward it to me via petition. Otherwise, this thread is just rumour mongering.
Either way, this thread is now locked.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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