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Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2057	Posted - 2014.03.27 02:59:00 - [31] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: The fact that just about any suit with an equipment slot can use it, including 1000+ eHP logis? And that it appears that you can fire immediately after the cloak turns off except the player is still cloaked while the animation finishes.... Need to take a page from eve and give it insane fitting costs, while giving the scout suit the only bonus that will allow it to be fit. Also, firing delay. NO! Use your eyes. They are not invisible, just camouflaged. No, virtually invisible. No reason they should be able to shoot while the animation for uncloaking hasnt finished yet, cloak up and run off. Especially on a logi suit. Not invisible, use your eyes. keep defending the crutch. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1665	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:11:00 - [32] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dude.....it's near impossible to make a decent fitting with a cloak that's not a scout..... lies. I have a commando that uncloaks with two AScRs. It shreds squads. Who wants some?
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 321	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:17:00 - [33] - Quote w/e there's sick infantry clashes going on right now they cant see that through hipster glasses fogged up by tears u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1205	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:32:00 - [34] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: The fact that just about any suit with an equipment slot can use it, including 1000+ eHP logis? And that it appears that you can fire immediately after the cloak turns off except the player is still cloaked while the animation finishes.... Need to take a page from eve and give it insane fitting costs, while giving the scout suit the only bonus that will allow it to be fit. Also, firing delay. NO! Use your eyes. They are not invisible, just camouflaged. No, virtually invisible. No reason they should be able to shoot while the animation for uncloaking hasnt finished yet, cloak up and run off. Especially on a logi suit. Not invisible, use your eyes. keep defending the crutch. So your bad then? Only bad people are complaining about cloaks. Get good
Revolving Dyce ZionTCD 4	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:38:00 - [35] - Quote When something is unbalanced it becomes widely used as we have learned from the epidemic when Tac ARs ruled the day, quickly nerfed to fit into the appropriate DPS range as its counterparts, then of course you had the rail rifle just recently which got reduced as well, yet still stands above in DPS while accuracy due to recoil is the balancing factor. Now we see masses of scouts with cloaks and shotguns swarming the field and think to myself...how much abuse or preferential treatment should one setup get before being re-adjusted to a balanced level? When the k/d of every game is tipped in the favor of shotgun toting scouts and cloaking devices, i'd say something needs to be rebalanced. Roughly half of the matches i have played have all ended in clone depletion defeats due to the massive number of clones now favoring the cloak and shotgun method, with this in mind iI think its quite clear to many people just how unbalanced things currently are. So far to balance this problem I have seen a few possible solutions suggested: 1. Firing delay between cloak deactivation and weapon activation. Paran Tadec wrote: It appears that you can fire immediately after the cloak turns off except the player is still cloaked while the animation finishes....firing delay. 2. Increase cool down time and decrease module active time. Alena Ventrallis wrote: The cloak has too much uptime for too little cool down. 3.Visibility variation based on distance from viewer. HappyAsshole1 wrote: they should be light blue.. hard to see at distance but at close you see them easily. 4. Flux grenades disrupting active cloaking devices. bolsh lee wrote: I would almost be fine with cloaks if Flux Grenades actually de-cloaked them, like you would think they should. Average number of scouts:6-10 Average number of flux grenades:2 Maybe im being pessimistic but i think this should be just a default grenade feature instead of a tactic to rely upon for cloak balancing. 5. Aquiring common sense as to the purpose of the cloak for stealth avoidance instead of combat ambush tactics. Dexter307 wrote: So your bad then? Only bad people are complaining about cloaks. Get good "The gripes go up not down, always up. You gripe to me, I gripe to my superior officer, so on, so on." -Tom Hanks
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 427	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:59:00 - [36] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: The fact that just about any suit with an equipment slot can use it, including 1000+ eHP logis? No. That's a glitch. The logi bonus to equipment shouldn't be applying to the cloak. You people who have an ego trip from proto stomping have a harsh reality waiting in life after you turn off the PS3.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 359	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:59:00 - [37] - Quote After two nights, I think something needs to change with cloaks, and I've been looking forward to these for a very long time. I mean, my favorite suit is the Dragonfly, no matter how squishy it is: First, they last too long. The proto lasts 80 seconds. Why do you need to be cloaked for 80 seconds unless you plan on camping? Second, they should automatically decloak if you take any damage, including flux. Third, you shouldn't be able to turn them off and on. They should be like vehicle hardeners where if you turn them off, it takes the full time to recharge, no matter how long you had them on. Fourth, a cloak should not decrease your scan profile. My two cents. Happy Gaming!!!
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2057	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:19:00 - [38] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: So your bad then? Only bad people are complaining about cloaks. Get good get good at grammar. only bad people are defending cloaks in their current state. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2057	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:24:00 - [39] - Quote Heres what they need: Deactivation on taking damage, pulling out equipment weapons, anything other than moving and hacking points. A short delay to offensive capabilities after deactivation, which is lowered by dumping more SP into it. A ridiculously high fitting req, with only the scout suit having a bonus high enough to fit it. All of these solutions come from EvEs mechanics regarding covert ops cloaking ships. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1206	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:29:00 - [40] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So your bad then? Only bad people are complaining about cloaks. Get good get good at grammar. only bad people are defending cloaks in their current state. Nope, cloaks arnt that useful against skilled players Their only good against bad, unaware players who cant solo rambo objectives anymore.

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2057	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:32:00 - [41] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So your bad then? Only bad people are complaining about cloaks. Get good get good at grammar. only bad people are defending cloaks in their current state. Nope, cloaks arnt that useful against skilled players Their only good against bad, unaware players who cant solo rambo objectives anymore. keep swinging that crutch Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1022	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:35:00 - [42] - Quote No decloak on damage. Makes it too easy to decloak someone. If they fit one, they should have an advantage. Unless of course, I can shoot you and deactivate your armor plate? Fluxes, however, are described as "designed to destroy low level equipment and disrupt shielding" So I could see cloaks being disrupted by fluxes. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 2	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:39:00 - [43] - Quote If you pay attention to your surroundings you see them like there solid non melting ice (whitish clear) I cant tell you how many cloaks ive killed today......I thought there would actually be something about cloaks need improvement on the forums today As I great Minmitar soldier once said to me "Murder murder" Inspiration merc. slogan
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2057	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:42:00 - [44] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: If you pay attention to your surroundings you see them like there solid non melting ice (whitish clear) I cant tell you how many cloaks ive killed today......I thought there would actually be something about cloaks need improvement on the forums today I've killed many myself, however, they are capable of some things they should not be. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 323	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:44:00 - [45] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: If you pay attention to your surroundings you see them like there solid non melting ice (whitish clear) I cant tell you how many cloaks ive killed today......I thought there would actually be something about cloaks need improvement on the forums today SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1206	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:12:00 - [46] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So your bad then? Only bad people are complaining about cloaks. Get good get good at grammar. only bad people are defending cloaks in their current state. Nope, cloaks arnt that useful against skilled players Their only good against bad, unaware players who cant solo rambo objectives anymore. keep swinging that crutch Keep QQing When i play against orgaized squads I take the cloak off because it dosent help
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 921	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:33:00 - [47] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: After two nights, I think something needs to change with cloaks, and I've been looking forward to these for a very long time. I mean, my favorite suit is the Dragonfly, no matter how squishy it is: First, they last too long. The proto lasts 80 seconds. Why do you need to be cloaked for 80 seconds unless you plan on camping? Second, they should automatically decloak if you take any damage, including flux. Third, you shouldn't be able to turn them off and on. They should be like vehicle hardeners where if you turn them off, it takes the full time to recharge, no matter how long you had them on. Fourth, a cloak should not decrease your scan profile. My two cents. Happy Gaming!!! I agree with all of these. Hard to say if that will make them of too little value, but I suspect not. FWIW, the good scouts I was running with yesterday and today use them for escape more than attack.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2058	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:35:00 - [48] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So your bad then? Only bad people are complaining about cloaks. Get good get good at grammar. only bad people are defending cloaks in their current state. Nope, cloaks arnt that useful against skilled players Their only good against bad, unaware players who cant solo rambo objectives anymore. keep swinging that crutch Keep QQing When i play against orgaized squads I take the cloak off because it dosent help keep defending broken mechanics, you'll soon have noone to play with. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Hawk Steel1 The Walking Targets 26	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:46:00 - [49] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: The fact that just about any suit with an equipment slot can use it, including 1000+ eHP logis? And that it appears that you can fire immediately after the cloak turns off except the player is still cloaked while the animation finishes.... Need to take a page from eve and give it insane fitting costs, while giving the scout suit the only bonus that will allow it to be fit. Also, firing delay. NO! Use your eyes. They are not invisible, just camouflaged. No, virtually invisible. No reason they should be able to shoot while the animation for uncloaking hasnt finished yet, cloak up and run off. Especially on a logi suit. Not invisible, use your eyes. It's not healthy to stare at a TV screen while sitting closer than 6ft from it. Spotting a cloak on a backdrop of these old school graphics i'm at 3.
HappyAsshole1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.03.27 06:38:00 - [50] - Quote Hawk Steel1 wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: The fact that just about any suit with an equipment slot can use it, including 1000+ eHP logis? And that it appears that you can fire immediately after the cloak turns off except the player is still cloaked while the animation finishes.... Need to take a page from eve and give it insane fitting costs, while giving the scout suit the only bonus that will allow it to be fit. Also, firing delay. NO! Use your eyes. They are not invisible, just camouflaged. No, virtually invisible. No reason they should be able to shoot while the animation for uncloaking hasnt finished yet, cloak up and run off. Especially on a logi suit. Not invisible, use your eyes. It's not healthy to stare at a TV screen while sitting closer than 6ft from it. Spotting a cloak on a backdrop of these old school graphics i'm at 3. i used hmg against 2 and killed 3. 1 was cloaked i think.

echo47 Minmatar Republic 252	Posted - 2014.03.27 06:53:00 - [51] - Quote mollerz wrote: The cloak was already pre-Nerfed. This is the cloak that was negotiated. H T F U. Negotiated by who? An un-elected CPM. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.


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