DUST Search - CF : better known as cloak fields....

Kuro Yojimbo wrote:

So , I tried the cf & well , not impressed.....
Impressed and disgusted by it's use , that I was....
Now , it's exactly like Halo , overrealistic with people jumping around dodging bullets
& the magnificient shotgunner CF bearer....
Not only is there no more scan profile reduction on any suits , but the cloak now has the bonus....
First , it makes scanners way too powerful for their required skills and price of gears , specs as well....
Second , the CF skills improvement rate is disgusting (15% per level) and makes it's specs ridiculous...
If the CF specs would be moderately reduced (by skill tree only) , say by 5% like any other
gears , I would be all up for it.
But think of this , you wanna be frigging invisible , well you will be having a really lightly geared
suit...(still pretty powerful nonetheless)....
So way sure , you'll have your shotgun , maybe one low r high slot module on , but you'll have
your cf.....
This is where the line is being crossed , CF are a good tool , but because of it's potential , power
& unfrigging believable easiness to obtain and wear , it makes it overpower....
Now , all you see is a bunch of blurry idiots that play chicken instead of fighting....
Although to each it's own , CCP as to make it even , otherwise , why should I care to frontline
when all I need to do is disappear.... which most people do now....
CCP , either balance the CF properly or remove it!
For those that enjoy the CF (to which I say : MUNCHKIN & COWARD) , well , you kept complaining about
campers .... the cf users are the next generation if it's too easy to obtain....
And while I am a sniper , I don't camp & never will use the cf , since combining long range waiting
and impossibility to detect ... well ... absolutely OP & wrong....
If I want to vanish , kill stuff & run ... or dodge bullets while flying , I'll play HALO.. . thank you very much...!

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Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 00:43:00 - [1] - Quote So , I tried the cf & well , not impressed..... Impressed and disgusted by it's use , that I was.... Now , it's exactly like Halo , overrealistic with people jumping around dodging bullets & the magnificient shotgunner CF bearer.... Not only is there no more scan profile reduction on any suits , but the cloak now has the bonus.... First , it makes scanners way too powerful for their required skills and price of gears , specs as well.... Second , the CF skills improvement rate is disgusting (15% per level) and makes it's specs ridiculous... If the CF specs would be moderately reduced (by skill tree only) , say by 5% like any other gears , I would be all up for it. But think of this , you wanna be frigging invisible , well you will be having a really lightly geared suit...(still pretty powerful nonetheless).... So way sure , you'll have your shotgun , maybe one low r high slot module on , but you'll have your cf..... This is where the line is being crossed , CF are a good tool , but because of it's potential , power & unfrigging believable easiness to obtain and wear , it makes it overpower.... Now , all you see is a bunch of blurry idiots that play chicken instead of fighting.... Although to each it's own , CCP as to make it even , otherwise , why should I care to frontline when all I need to do is disappear.... which most people do now.... CCP , either balance the CF properly or remove it! For those that enjoy the CF (to which I say : MUNCHKIN & COWARD) , well , you kept complaining about campers .... the cf users are the next generation if it's too easy to obtain.... And while I am a sniper , I don't camp & never will use the cf , since combining long range waiting and impossibility to detect ... well ... absolutely OP & wrong.... If I want to vanish , kill stuff & run ... or dodge bullets while flying , I'll play HALO.. . thank you very much...! " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
X7 lion SWAMPERIUM 137	Posted - 2014.03.27 01:06:00 - [2] - Quote the cloak is really balanced and its not that hard to spot Some one who is cloaked due to the distortion, no one is ever invisible technically you just need to know what your looking for. scouts will prey on hesitation so in this learning period where people are learning what to look for scouts will eat there prey alive in most but not all cases & some one who is cloaked isnt that hard to miss when moving, this update is a move towards less idiotic play making people think and be aware, i suggest waiting awhile climb that learning curve abit more then come back and make a more informed argument for your points. I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me. You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
Psychotic Shooter Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 160	Posted - 2014.03.27 01:28:00 - [3] - Quote Kuro Yojimbo wrote: So , I tried the cf & well , not impressed..... Impressed and disgusted by it's use , that I was.... Now , it's exactly like Halo , overrealistic with people jumping around dodging bullets & the magnificient shotgunner CF bearer.... Not only is there no more scan profile reduction on any suits , but the cloak now has the bonus.... First , it makes scanners way too powerful for their required skills and price of gears , specs as well.... Second , the CF skills improvement rate is disgusting (15% per level) and makes it's specs ridiculous... If the CF specs would be moderately reduced (by skill tree only) , say by 5% like any other gears , I would be all up for it. But think of this , you wanna be frigging invisible , well you will be having a really lightly geared suit...(still pretty powerful nonetheless).... So way sure , you'll have your shotgun , maybe one low r high slot module on , but you'll have your cf..... This is where the line is being crossed , CF are a good tool , but because of it's potential , power & unfrigging believable easiness to obtain and wear , it makes it overpower.... Now , all you see is a bunch of blurry idiots that play chicken instead of fighting.... Although to each it's own , CCP as to make it even , otherwise , why should I care to frontline when all I need to do is disappear.... which most people do now.... CCP , either balance the CF properly or remove it! For those that enjoy the CF (to which I say : MUNCHKIN & COWARD) , well , you kept complaining about campers .... the cf users are the next generation if it's too easy to obtain.... And while I am a sniper , I don't camp & never will use the cf , since combining long range waiting and impossibility to detect ... well ... absolutely OP & wrong.... If I want to vanish , kill stuff & run ... or dodge bullets while flying , I'll play HALO.. . thank you very much...! OK I use the cloak but im not a coward there are Pros and Cons to using it: The Cons: Any Movement at all make the cloak go to full shimmer where you can easily be seen You can't wield a weapon why running about . Dont get me wrong this is fair so you dont have people instantly killing you while there invisable High CPU & PG usage on any suit but scouts The Pro: When standing still you're near invisible, although you can still be seen by a good eye Can hack while cloaked Can Escape enemy by running cloaking and standing still Gives you a complex Dampener when acivated You can activate it when Power is only half way + Short recharge If CCP was going to touch the Cloak in any way i would suggest that you can only recloak after 10 second of uncloaking this would prevent people killing, running, hiding, cloaking, killing, cloaking, killing, cloaking Dust 514 Closed Beta Vet Tanker for Hire Contact me in game
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 649	Posted - 2014.03.27 01:48:00 - [4] - Quote If anything I'd say it's the duration of the adv/pro cloaks that aren't balanced and and the pro cloak pretty much being a sidegrade. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:08:00 - [5] - Quote First , I understand it has flaws.... yet ... it's too easy to wear... The skill gives a reduction of 15% per level.... that is way too excessive!!!! If it was like any other gears or weapons , the 5% per level , I would be fine with the CF. On top of that , tunnel vision is always there during battle , that you are aware or not , a noob or vet. So if the price is up a little and the skill reduction tweaked , then who cares , you won't be sporting a proto with 2000 upgrades on it... That would be a downside that is still acceptable , since the element of surprise is always the best weapon in a battle! And yes , a cooldown between use (not recharge) would tweak it fairly. It also avoids having 20 people per fight sporting that gear and saves us from the pain of playing cat and mouse instead of fighting.... Remember , it's a wargame , not Assassin's Creed or phony games like Halo.... But then again , even if I can cap out in the cf , I won't , it's like a sniping tank : cheap and pretty useless... " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 573	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:48:00 - [6] - Quote Lol in eve they do 96% at level 1. 100% reduction by level 5. 15 is fine. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:03:00 - [7] - Quote This is not eve .... Eve acts in the middle of space , plenty of ships and countermeasures.... And , the prices are way up if you want to get good gears , so there is no comparisons possible between the two.... Two different platforms , two different games.... And the reduction is to balance , compared to all other upgradeable gear ' skills we have. So 5% is good on top of the 5% per level if you sport a light suit.... So it makes it's use limited , yet like snipers , will define a particular role on the battlefield... on equal ground! " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
Psychotic Shooter Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 161	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:19:00 - [8] - Quote Can i just interject the Cloak is made for the scout that is why Scouts get 15% per lvl so it is easy to fit for scout and hard to fit for Logi's, Assault's and Commandos It is possible but the high lvl Cloaks are made for scouts if the scout had 5% per level 330 CPU for a pro cloak would be impossible to fit for how much you are taking away from the suit, also assault's get 5% of light and sidearm weapon which is far since it is lower CPU and PG cost and Logi's get 5% of Equipment CPU and PG cost per level which is also fair since they use less CPU and PG in the first place. Dust 514 Closed Beta Vet Tanker for Hire Contact me in game
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:21:00 - [9] - Quote Psychotic Shooter wrote: Can i just interject the Cloak is made for the scout that is why Scouts get 15% per lvl so it is easy to fit for scout and hard to fit for Logi's, Assault's and Commandos It is possible but the high lvl Cloaks are made for scouts if the scout had 5% per level 330 CPU for a pro cloak would be impossible to fit for how much you are taking away from the suit, also assault's get 5% of light and sidearm weapon which is far since it is lower CPU and PG cost and Logi's get 5% of Equipment CPU and PG cost per level which is also fair since they use less CPU and PG in the first place. No , the 15% per level is in the skill tree!!!! The skill itself reduces the specs requirements by 15%. The light suit proficiency only gives 5% per level , which is perfect... So if both provided 5% per level , it still gives 50% reduction for those who want to specialize in infiltration. Then it's fair and prevents non-specialized suits to overuse the CF!!! Balance , not nerfing it to uselessness , only adjusting it... " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
Psychotic Shooter Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 161	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:27:00 - [10] - Quote Kuro Yojimbo wrote: Psychotic Shooter wrote: Can i just interject the Cloak is made for the scout that is why Scouts get 15% per lvl so it is easy to fit for scout and hard to fit for Logi's, Assault's and Commandos It is possible but the high lvl Cloaks are made for scouts if the scout had 5% per level 330 CPU for a pro cloak would be impossible to fit for how much you are taking away from the suit, also assault's get 5% of light and sidearm weapon which is far since it is lower CPU and PG cost and Logi's get 5% of Equipment CPU and PG cost per level which is also fair since they use less CPU and PG in the first place. No , the 15% per level is in the skill tree!!!! The skill itself reduces the specs requirements by 15%. The light suit proficiency only gives 5% per level , which is perfect... So if both provided 5% per level , it still gives 50% reduction for those who want to specialize in infiltration. Then it's fair and prevents non-specialized suits to overuse the CF!!! Balance , not nerfing it to uselessness , only adjusting it... sorry dude but you are wrong if that 15% per lvl was in the skill tree and not directly linked to scouts i would be able to fit a proto cloak on my assault suit but the 15% per lvl is only for scout if you dont believe me check it out for your self because i dont know where you are getting your 5% Dust 514 Closed Beta Vet Tanker for Hire Contact me in game

Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:33:00 - [11] - Quote Yep , my bad! But 15% is still too much... 10% per level would be not too bad , considering a reduction of 50% if you maxed it out. And remember , it's advantages , on top of reducing profile would not be impeded by a small adjustment. Otherwise , you'll keep seeing blurs and people waiting instead of trying to fight... In the last 5 matches I've been.... people are sitting there , hoping to not get caught by CF or waiting to activate theirs for a kill... Hell , I've seen an objective being uncontested and unprotected for a whole match! So my point is , although it could be a great tool , it's not suppose to be an all-around gear everyone can and wish to use. Just like tools , weapons , modules , you don't see everyone sporting a proto rep tool or proto nanite injector... Why? Because it is role defined and a support for players to strategise with. But with CF , it becomes a boredom of hide and seek , the battle loses it's flavor and now , you see people doing absolutely nothing but run around cloaked and hide till they can use it some more.... This is what I meant by "tweaking" the CF. CCP can make it a valuable tool , yet not to the reach of those not wishing to specialize. Sure , you can have a low-end one , but at least people might just resort to good old fighting and let infiltrators use this. Everyone as a role , be it support , frontline , suppressive , infiltration , transport or scouting. But if everyone could wear Heavy suits with tool slots available , then some other roles would be obsolete. It's really just a matter of proper measure , just like the AV being next to useless now.... Of course , AV-manned blues should not be able to instantly kill a tank , after all , that would be a stretch , but now , it takes 3-4 people working in tandem to take 1 tank , that's if his boost did not take him out of your lousy range as well... lol So many things are yet to be resolved and that's why I'm disappointed in general.... The bugs are not fixed , we spawn with damage to our shields and armors , not counting the invisible obstacle glitch , the magical shield glitch and the sudden burst of speed glitch... All of these have been brought before , yet they are still there.... So the list goes on and keeps piling up.... I just wished that CCP would look at our forums and actually listen to all that's been said... Sure , they give us timelines , promises and etc... In the end , we still have the short end of the stick compared to EVE players. We cannot sell our useless gears , which is easy to implement and cannot trade amongst each other... I pay to play this game (aurum wise) and I'm afraid that one day CCP will start charging membership fees for this game. Remember , we are dependent on EVE right now , so if they have to cut loose ends , Dust will be gone way before EVE is.... Just a thought.... " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 870	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:22:00 - [12] - Quote Too easy to fit? If it was any harder to fit then I wouldn't be able to equip my codebreakers or profile dampeners. Such a sacrifice ruins my fits as they are designed to prep the battlefield while remaining unseen. They did a good job pre-1.8 and the cloak is making that job all the easier. CCP intentionally set it so that scouts DIDN'T have to sacrifice much in order to fit it. The reason for this is to encourage the scout community to actually use it. If the bonus was just 5% then you would need to be proto AND equip upgrades just to fit them which is ridiculous. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 263	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:48:00 - [13] - Quote Unless you run scout then you have no idea what your talking about. PvE 2014
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1975	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:23:00 - [14] - Quote The 15% per level is to make it so that scouts can fit the things but nobody else can without making serious sacrifices. I don't normally play scout, but at level 3 in order to fit both a standard cloak and a high level uplink to a standard level scout I need to have 4 empty slots, including the light weapon. 15% per level is pretty fair. If they reduced it, they'd also need to cut the fitting cost to make it usable, and then you'd have squads of cloaked logis/assaults/commandos running around. "This is not eve" - lol...great argument. This is the approach Eve uses to take a role specific module and make it so that realistically only the ships intended to use it will do so. Make it hard to fit then give a big reduction for the appropriate ships. It stops the interesting gear from becoming OP.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2404	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:28:00 - [15] - Quote Ummm... even with the 75% fitting reduction, Cloaks are far harder to fit than any other module/weapon/equipment in the game. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2649	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:48:00 - [16] - Quote X7 lion wrote: the cloak is really balanced and its not that hard to spot Some one who is cloaked due to the distortion, no one is ever invisible technically you just need to know what your looking for. scouts will prey on hesitation so in this learning period where people are learning what to look for scouts will eat there prey alive in most but not all cases & some one who is cloaked isnt that hard to miss when moving, this update is a move towards less idiotic play making people think and be aware, i suggest waiting awhile climb that learning curve abit more then come back and make a more informed argument for your points. Less idiotic play? How about more cheesy and less skill required. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 RND's recruitment official phrase
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:59:00 - [17] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Unless you run scout then you have no idea what your talking about. I do run scout and don't intend to use CF. Yes , I know people would barely be able to fit a cf unless you are running light scout , but that is the way it should be! Reducing by a staggering amount is not going to help game balance whatsoever! By the way , I keep stating that I am sniper and wear scout, learn how to read! " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:02:00 - [18] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Ummm... even with the 75% fitting reduction, Cloaks are far harder to fit than any other module/weapon/equipment in the game. You are right about that. Nevertheless , the reduction is still too great.... It just needs tweaking , not overhauling and total nerfing.... Besides that , I am fine with the concept since I can still snipe anyone cloaking themselves , especially since everyone uses it right as they spawn, too easy...lol But I am with you , this game needs a general review in terms of balance and fairness anyways! " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:15:00 - [19] - Quote Interesting... Not many people speak up about the CF. You hear it on local channels , in Corp , yet it's here such thing really matters. Oh well , I think this CF matter is closed.... Remember , no matter how much we praise it or bash it , CCP will do as it pleases.... So , thank you all for your input and opinions! Hopefully , one day , Duster's voices are really going to be heard! See you on the battlefield! " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "


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